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[Sabre]

The main problem is no matter what Kuyt does - how many goals or assists he gets or how much good work he does and how much pressing and harrasing and space creating for gerrard and torres he will never turn those people who dont rate and think he isnt good enough because they look at player like lennon etc who have pace and skill and kuyt doesnt and they think that those players would bring more to the team so Kuyt coould hit 20 goals a season from right mid or striker and still people will think he isnt good enough and that opinion will never change - i for one am glad that Rafa feels different and he keeps playing him and kuyt keeps doing his stuff for the team . Deserves to play for us and deserves a new contract .

if he scored 20 goals a season no one would complain, and he would be worthy off a regular starting place, but he dosnt score 20 goals a season and will never have the quality to acheive that.

Dr Pepe above has a strong point when he talks about Kuyt's numbers, as Kuyt achieve those after working hard for the team and not being in the box to get service out of others.

I think it's a good point. Perhaps I disagree the bit of candidate for player of the season, but I can see where DrPepe and others come from when they defend Kuyt.

I think we'll still look for a right winger, but then I have to admit that there is working my bias, as perhaps I say that because I preffer another kind of footballer when we have the ball.

[Fowler_E7]

The main problem is no matter what Kuyt does - how many goals or assists he gets or how much good work he does and how much pressing and harrasing and space creating for gerrard and torres he will never turn those people who dont rate and think he isnt good enough because they look at player like lennon etc who have pace and skill and kuyt doesnt and they think that those players would bring more to the team so Kuyt coould hit 20 goals a season from right mid or striker and still people will think he isnt good enough and that opinion will never change - i for one am glad that Rafa feels different and he keeps playing him and kuyt keeps doing his stuff for the team . Deserves to play for us and deserves a new contract .

if he scored 20 goals a season no one would complain, and he would be worthy off a regular starting place, but he dosnt score 20 goals a season and will never have the quality to acheive that.

because I preffer another kind of footballer when we have the ball.

meaning someone who actually knows how use a football 

[DrPepe]

The main problem is no matter what Kuyt does - how many goals or assists he gets or how much good work he does and how much pressing and harrasing and space creating for gerrard and torres he will never turn those people who dont rate and think he isnt good enough because they look at player like lennon etc who have pace and skill and kuyt doesnt and they think that those players would bring more to the team so Kuyt coould hit 20 goals a season from right mid or striker and still people will think he isnt good enough and that opinion will never change - i for one am glad that Rafa feels different and he keeps playing him and kuyt keeps doing his stuff for the team . Deserves to play for us and deserves a new contract .

if he scored 20 goals a season no one would complain, and he would be worthy off a regular starting place, but he dosnt score 20 goals a season and will never have the quality to acheive that.

because I preffer another kind of footballer when we have the ball.

meaning someone who actually knows how use a football 

did all those goals & assists come off dirk's then? 

[Fowler_E7]

The main problem is no matter what Kuyt does - how many goals or assists he gets or how much good work he does and how much pressing and harrasing and space creating for gerrard and torres he will never turn those people who dont rate and think he isnt good enough because they look at player like lennon etc who have pace and skill and kuyt doesnt and they think that those players would bring more to the team so Kuyt coould hit 20 goals a season from right mid or striker and still people will think he isnt good enough and that opinion will never change - i for one am glad that Rafa feels different and he keeps playing him and kuyt keeps doing his stuff for the team . Deserves to play for us and deserves a new contract .

if he scored 20 goals a season no one would complain, and he would be worthy off a regular starting place, but he dosnt score 20 goals a season and will never have the quality to acheive that.

because I preffer another kind of footballer when we have the ball.

meaning someone who actually knows how use a football 

did all those goals & assists come off dirk's then? 

never doubted his goals, he gets a decent amount. He is a striker after all so he does have decent movement and finishing, however the guy is poor is possesion, struggles to complete any sort of pass other than going backwards, his touch is shocking and he constanly breaks down good moves with his lack of basic footballing ability

[Sabre]

Yes, but then, I think Rafa also likes quality players, we'd be deluding ourselves if we thought Rafa doesn't appreciate talented players. When Rafa's scouts come to games near my town, the players they target tend to be technical.

I think that what pushes Rafa to play Kuyt that much is that besides giving some goals and assists to the team, he works a lot. We fans do often admit he works hard, but we often comment it as if it was unimportant to our success.

However, I've seen players like Alonso talking here and mentioning Kuyt when he recalled 3 or 4 players of the squad, so maybe we fans underrate that work.

[Fowler_E7]

Yes, but then, I think Rafa also likes quality players, we'd be deluding ourselves if we thought Rafa doesn't appreciate talented players. When Rafa's scouts come to games near my town, the players they target tend to be technical.

I think that what pushes Rafa to play Kuyt that much is that besides giving some goals and assists to the team, he works a lot. We fans do often admit he works hard, but we often comment it as if it was unimportant to our success.

However, I've seen players like Alonso talking here and mentioning Kuyt when he recalled 3 or 4 players of the squad, so maybe we fans underrate that work.

i dont thin so mate, fans constantly go on about Kuyts rate as a counter argument for the amount negative elements in his game. All i ever hear is "but he works so hard for the team" so what? Alonso, Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano and countless others work just hard and it barely gets a mention, you want to know why? its because they are quality footballers who have many other talents besides hardwork and stamina, where as with Kuyt that is main attribute.

[Madmax]

For real he offer immense workrate and runs like a dog after a big bone but he is not a natural right mid player and will never be one. We require someone on the right similar to maybe ronaldo. Someone who could patch in with torres,gerrard and score time to time and also contribute heavily with the attackers.
I am not saying kuyt is shyte or anything, i love the fella and i appreciate his contribution to our team. But in order to challenge next season for the title we need a class player on the right someone agile and just quality. Someone even better than kuyt.
I cant settle with kuyt gaining a permanant stay at right mid its just not on. Also the amount of games to be played next season he could be intergrated with a rotational policy and will get games   but anyhow its crucial we sign a quality right mid player!

[GYBS]

The main problem is no matter what Kuyt does - how many goals or assists he gets or how much good work he does and how much pressing and harrasing and space creating for gerrard and torres he will never turn those people who dont rate and think he isnt good enough because they look at player like lennon etc who have pace and skill and kuyt doesnt and they think that those players would bring more to the team so Kuyt coould hit 20 goals a season from right mid or striker and still people will think he isnt good enough and that opinion will never change - i for one am glad that Rafa feels different and he keeps playing him and kuyt keeps doing his stuff for the team . Deserves to play for us and deserves a new contract .

if he scored 20 goals a season no one would complain, and he would be worthy off a regular starting place, but he dosnt score 20 goals a season and will never have the quality to acheive that.

because I preffer another kind of footballer when we have the ball.

meaning someone who actually knows how use a football 

did all those goals & assists come off dirk's then? 

never doubted his goals, he gets a decent amount. He is a striker after all so he does have decent movement and finishing, however the guy is poor is possesion, struggles to complete any sort of pass other than going backwards, his touch is shocking and he constanly breaks down good moves with his lack of basic footballing ability

Really ? did you see the little back heel for gerrard when he got brought down by vidic ? or the run when he got brought down himself for gerrard free kick against villa ? or the great cross field ball to reira for the penalty against villa - and thats just recent games .All this lack of touch and constantly breaking down off moves is pretty much a false accusation on the whole as there is not much eveidence of it at the moment - yes he had a poor spell for about 6 weeks while the team was playing poor but some people are still fixated on this lack of ability and poor first touch as against villa it wasnt evident on the whole nor against man utd nor against madrid etc etc .

Also on the point of giving the ball away a lot - count how many times kuyt gives it away and how many times gerrard gives it away in the villa game and you will be surprised.

[Ydde]

Funny, I was just reading Rafa's interviews the other day, and when I read the this passage, I thought of kuyt,

"It's simple," he explains. "When you talk about players, you talk about personalities. And then it is the difference between you and me. You go to, I don't know, a theatre, and you see some things and they see other things because you are different. It's the same with players. Some understand the style of football, the culture, the language. Others don't. It's important to know all the things that you can before you sign a player. I always say that you can have a good player for winning one game, but you need a squad for winning trophies. You need good professionals because at the end you'll be with them for one, two, three, four years, not just one game. And then sometimes he's a hero to the supporters. They see him and think, 'Why isn't he playing?' But maybe he can have one good game but not the next four. OK, you can use players who can amuse the supporters, but if you want to win trophies you need workers, for 90 minutes, every week, every training session. Workers with enough quality for winning."


I think Kuyt is a worker who has above average quality, but not top class. But then again, very few players can claim to have Kuyt's workrate and top quality. Kuyt is certainly one of the "good professional" that Rafa said. I can see him being at Anfield for years to come.

[RobinHood6969]

i agree with GYBS on that. Kuyt may not look that pleasing to one's eyes but he is doing some great job out there. He is the one who never drops his shoulders and keeps working his socks off. and players like those are very important in a team. and he did have the poor first touch which i havent seen in recent times

[GYBS]

Some peoples opinion and view on Kuyt is so ingrain into them it will never change - same with some peoples view on Rafa - no matter what either of them do . Kuyt is just about to hit double figures in the prem and is already double figures overall this season - thats a great return for someone playing out wide .

[dawson99]

Some peoples opinion and view on Kuyt is so ingrain into them it will never change - same with some peoples view on Rafa - no matter what either of them do . Kuyt is just about to hit double figures in the prem and is already double figures overall this season - thats a great return for someone playing out wide .

My boys got mad skills

[RobinHood6969]

Some peoples opinion and view on Kuyt is so ingrain into them it will never change - same with some peoples view on Rafa - no matter what either of them do . Kuyt is just about to hit double figures in the prem and is already double figures overall this season - thats a great return for someone playing out wide .

and the link up with arbie is really good. i have noticde that arbie and kuyt ahve much better coordination than benayoun and arbie..
For me kuyt much more important than the goal statistics.

[Madmax]

GYBS would like to ask you would you want to stick kuyt next season on a permanant basis on the right or would you opt for a natural quality right mid player?

I told you guys where i stand, few posts above..

[RobinHood6969]

GYBS would like to ask you would you want to stick kuyt next season on a permanant basis on the right or would you opt for a natural quality right mid player?

I told you guys where i stand, few posts above..

Yes we definitely need a agile skillful fella at the right who can be used for cameos against park the bus teams when we find it difficult to break them down. This would definitely help us compete for all the cups