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[Number 9]

also online u can self exclude. there are a lot of ways bookies have to by law look at.. have to be careful or could get sued so its actually easy to stop betting if u really want to (or even if u dont but bookies hear certain things that means they can exclude a customer to stop future re-precussions)

If someone wants(or needs) to do something they will always find a way!
Tis the nature of addictions mate,thats why its an addiction.It becomes the number one priority,everything else takes a back seat and it takes over your life.
Being addicted to something that is socially acceptable (for example smoking) is Ok..yeah i know not as socially acceptable as it was but you know what I mean..its tolerated in society.It does no short term damage and I guess its a controlled addiction..it wont wreck your life or cost you your family and house.It may kill you but that is a chance you take..Its still an addiction though!

Destructive addictions like gambling/drug use alcoholism are more frowned upon as they can ruin a life in no time.People cant grasp it is an illness because the addicts personality changes..Its easy to say fuc'k him/her..all their own fault,look at the way they are behaving and draw a line under it because people dont understand!
Like any bodily problem there is a sign.Cut you bleed..Bang your head get a bump...Smack your finger with a hammer it behaves different,it becomes black and swollen.

An addict is the same..become addicted and you behave differently..its ones head "bleeding" like a cut thumb trying to say,something is not right..theres a difference though a cut and bleeding thumb is telling you theres a problem..the erratic behaviour of an addict is way past telling him/her there is a problem cause they have been there and ignored it...Its like someone with no arms with a gash on their leg needing a bandage,they need someones help!

To simplify,people should not judge what they do not understand!

[dawson99]

exactly...

(ive lost 50 today lol)
off to get drunk and smoke a lot now

Feck it, we gamble for the thrill
We drink coz it tastes nice
We smoke coz we enjoy it

Leave us alone, its our life, dont you forget

[burjennio]

also online u can self exclude. there are a lot of ways bookies have to by law look at.. have to be careful or could get sued so its actually easy to stop betting if u really want to (or even if u dont but bookies hear certain things that means they can exclude a customer to stop future re-precussions)

If someone wants(or needs) to do something they will always find a way!
Tis the nature of addictions mate,thats why its an addiction.It becomes the number one priority,everything else takes a back seat and it takes over your life.
Being addicted to something that is socially acceptable (for example smoking) is Ok..yeah i know not as socially acceptable as it was but you know what I mean..its tolerated in society.It does no short term damage and I guess its a controlled addiction..it wont wreck your life or cost you your family and house.It may kill you but that is a chance you take..Its still an addiction though!

Destructive addictions like gambling/drug use alcoholism are more frowned upon as they can ruin a life in no time.People cant grasp it is an illness because the addicts personality changes..Its easy to say fuc'k him/her..all their own fault,look at the way they are behaving and draw a line under it because people dont understand!
Like any bodily problem there is a sign.Cut you bleed..Bang your head get a bump...Smack your finger with a hammer it behaves different,it becomes black and swollen.

An addict is the same..become addicted and you behave differently..its ones head "bleeding" like a cut thumb trying to say,something is not right..theres a difference though a cut and bleeding thumb is telling you theres a problem..the erratic behaviour of an addict is way past telling him/her there is a problem cause they have been there and ignored it...Its like someone with no arms with a gash on their leg needing a bandage,they need someones help!

To simplify,people should not judge what they do not understand!

Bazza thats pretty philosophical, are you fanta-ing per chance?

[Number 9]

also online u can self exclude. there are a lot of ways bookies have to by law look at.. have to be careful or could get sued so its actually easy to stop betting if u really want to (or even if u dont but bookies hear certain things that means they can exclude a customer to stop future re-precussions)

If someone wants(or needs) to do something they will always find a way!
Tis the nature of addictions mate,thats why its an addiction.It becomes the number one priority,everything else takes a back seat and it takes over your life.
Being addicted to something that is socially acceptable (for example smoking) is Ok..yeah i know not as socially acceptable as it was but you know what I mean..its tolerated in society.It does no short term damage and I guess its a controlled addiction..it wont wreck your life or cost you your family and house.It may kill you but that is a chance you take..Its still an addiction though!

Destructive addictions like gambling/drug use alcoholism are more frowned upon as they can ruin a life in no time.People cant grasp it is an illness because the addicts personality changes..Its easy to say fuc'k him/her..all their own fault,look at the way they are behaving and draw a line under it because people dont understand!
Like any bodily problem there is a sign.Cut you bleed..Bang your head get a bump...Smack your finger with a hammer it behaves different,it becomes black and swollen.

An addict is the same..become addicted and you behave differently..its ones head "bleeding" like a cut thumb trying to say,something is not right..theres a difference though a cut and bleeding thumb is telling you theres a problem..the erratic behaviour of an addict is way past telling him/her there is a problem cause they have been there and ignored it...Its like someone with no arms with a gash on their leg needing a bandage,they need someones help!

To simplify,people should not judge what they do not understand!

Bazza thats pretty philosophical, are you fanta-ing per chance?

No!

Philosophical or not its true!

[Rush Job]

I think some people here aren't comparing like with like.

An addiction to gambling is very different than getting addicted to Heroin or even smoking. There are copious amounts of evidence out there to show EVERYBODY that trying heroin is a stupid, stupid decision that WILL wreck your life. Likewise, the same can be said for smoking these days too. People will still have a go and the results will be the same by and large. But, there are no excuses at the end of the day.

However, "having a flutter" is still presented as an acceptable pastime. Bookies line the street in every town in England and Ireland. The Irish government was even looking at bringing over Vegas style casinos at one point. Can you imagine? In Ireland? Bloody hell.

Anyway, my point is that there just isn't the stigma attached to gambling, as there is to taking hard drugs etc. So some people go into it completely unaware of it's potential addictive qualities. A friend of mine, his old man got addicted to the horses. An extremely intelligent, well read kind of chap. He had no real vices whatsoever. Liked a drink, but never got addicted to cigs or any other drug, found himself one day with a serious gambling debt on the g g's. He kicked it, over a very long period and always said, "I never saw it coming". He hated himself for it.

Personally, I would have more sympathy for someone with a gambling addiction than I would with somebody hooked on heroin. One is presented as an acceptable activity with it's inherent dangers masked to a large degree. The other is a mugs game, with absolutely no excuse for getting involved in.

You might want to do some research mate, just about every famous scientist, artist, philosopher and composer was on opium if you go back a hundred or so years you`ll find much more people were on it then than there is now and it wasnt just the "stupid" working classes.
Why do you think we waged wars over the stuff?
Life is about experiences, good and bad, they just serve to make you a wiser person as long as you come out the other end.
Im like Bill Hicks, never killed anyone, never raped anyone, never robed anyone, never got sacked from one fkin job and for the most part had a real good time, now weres my fkin comercial?
Its ignorant people who sit around tutting and judging who have the problem, not everyone who`s had a bit of a life and done abit of this and that is a stupid, aids infected, murdering cleptomaniac.

I'm not talking about a 100 years ago. I'm talking about today and today, there is absolutely no excuse for trying the likes of heroin and thinking that everything's going to be hunky dory...

...unless you've been living under a rock, in a cave, on the moon, with Slayer banding in your ears for the last three decades.

I fail to see the difference, its been used for thousands of years, you think the kind of artists and interllectuals, the very people who created the art you look at the music you listen to and the science you learn didnt know it was addictive?
Yeh alright pall have it your way, you obviously know alot about this subject.
This isnt really the place for this kind of discussion anyway,if you want to drop the ignorance we can do this over pm.

You fail to see the difference on the information about drugs that was available 100 years ago and what's available today?

I'm well aware that opiate use has been around for centuries, but I don't agree that EVERY artist, scientist or composer etc was smashed on opiates 100+ years ago. Contrary to the popular myth, drugs destroy creativity, they don't enhance it.

Anyway, my point is that with all the information readily available today on the effects of heroin and it's utter distruction on life, people these days (not 100 years ago) have absolutely no excuse for being ignorant about the extreme dangers a drug like that presents, unless they're just extremely stupid.

Either way, i really don't want to get into a discussion about heroin, on here or in PM. But I think you may have misunderstood the point of my original post.

I didnt say EVERY that would be a ridiculous and ignorant thing to say, just like saying EVERYBODY (your caps again) thats tryed heroin is stupid,it would be a generalisation born from an ignorant personal opinion.
Now if you ment trying heroin is stupid then fair enough, still wouldnt agree because its a free will thing I dont think it has anything to do with intelligence, there will be thousands of users up and down the country from every walk of life who use/have used without every being addicted, but if you are (here atleast we agree) stupid enough to use it everyday then yes just like any other addictive drug taxed or otherwise you`ll end up addicted.
FWIW ive never been addicted to it, wouldnt want to give that inpression.