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I don't think we will even get 4th this season..... I am not sure whats wrong with the team, but have to agree with welsh wizard in that somethings wrong in the dressing room. I know people are saying we are in the 2nd round of champions league and all...but this bad form we are going through will soon hit our champions league matches as well..... if we only think its our away form that needs improvement. IMO, we haven't been that convincing in our home matches as well...

Anyway, I still believe out of the managers available (to us), rafa is still the best bet to win us trophies. Even if we finish 10th and win no trophies, i won't be jumping on the rafa sack brigade....

We should get 4th if for no other reason than there are no stand out rivals for it this season. Bolton,Everton, Portsmouth and Villa will all lose points against each other and against us.

We have got to get going soon though.

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Lando you missed your ideal occupation. You should have been a sargeant-major at Rorks drift. I could just see you shouting at the thousands of Zulus, " Come back you Zulu b@stards I havnt finished with you yet!"

You always give me hope mate!

[Lando_Griffin]

Lando you missed your ideal occupation. You should have been a sargeant-major at Rorks drift. I could just see you shouting at the thousands of Zulus, " Come back you Zulu b@stards I havnt finished with you yet!"

You always give me hope mate!

They'd run off screaming if they ever made me angry!



They wouldn't like me when I'm angry!

[alxy]

I know Rafa is just trying to keep spirits up and put a positive spin on things, as what can be expected. But Boro were putting it on a plate for us. They had zero interest in trying to score goals. And yet despite that, they had the best chance to score. If this was a better team, we would have been trashed 3 or 4-0 with that kind of performance.

Going by what has been said and done, Rafa is a brilliant tactician. But I think his man-management skills are more the issues here. Our team needs a kick up the and some motivation. You can strategise until the cows come home, but to no avail unless your players are motivated enough to see those tactics through.

Even Gerrard looked disinterested and seemingly not bothered that we're not attacking potently enough. Guess we need someone like Martin O'Neill to complement Rafa's tactical prowess.

[Ciggy]

Something is not right at the club !!  Don't know what it is but there is something going on. We are not playing as a team working for each other etc. Stevie Gerrard has something major on his mind he is not the Stevie Gerrard we all know. He is not playing no where near his true form.

As for other players Pennent, Gonzales are just not good enough. Not for this club anyway!! Alonso is having a very poor season, Bellamy the same but he needs service needs balls being placed behind defenders so he can use his pace to get on the end of them. Michael Owen would also be struggling for goals the way we are playing.

Its starting to worry me, the more and more i look at these things the more i can see something not right within the dressing room. We all know that Rafa is very much a football man lives and breathes football, but he seems to distance himself from any of the players when a player has a breath taking match puts in a top class performance, that player doesn't get the credit he deserves from the manager. Now when the team are struggling players playing well below there ability the manager just doesn't seem to be able to motivate them give them confidence, put an arm around them and tell them they are invincible. Rafa is a football genious don't get me wrong, but when it comes to man managment i think he is struggling.

Its my opinion but there is something not right at this club. We are having a very poor start to the season. Gerrard Houllier was a great man manager without the tactical knowhow etc Rafa is completely the opposite poor manmanager and a great tactical manager pity we can't mould them into one.

I just hope things improve fast !! Before Rafa loses the dressing room..

  Good post WW.

[Effes]

9/ We seemed to be attacking Boro' for most of the match yet every time I looked we had only one perhaps two players in the box. Kuyt and Bellamy are coming to deep to link up play and need to push on more.

I agree that we don't get enough players in the box when attacking.

Kuyt has been great so far but he does tend to drop too deep too often.
I'm not blaming him, sometimes he has to to get the ball, but I'd prefer a striker leading the line.


I sometimes wonder whether Rafa fills the players heads with too much tactics and not enough "belief" or motivation.

However, there are not many managers who could do a better job.
He will come good, and I've a sneaky feeling we're gonna win another cup this year.

[BOODIDDY]

When some people on here read threads i often think they are journalists. I never compared rafa with houllier. I simply stated that the worry and depression is the same as gh last season. As for rafa's signings this summer, i just dont see this speedy falla being  a good player for liverpool. Pennant misses something that stands the better players in the prem out from the rest. A reason that wenger seen and knows to be true.

I know we ain't much money but overall we spent a lot this summer on players we really didn't need. Why Palletta, Aurellio? We win the youth cup and mst be the only club to have won that recently who haven't blooded any of our players properly into the first team.

Why do so many on here make Gerrard out to be bomb proof? The lad is playing like a big-time charlie! Everyone in life has problems from time to time but you get on with it and focus on your professional life.

I hope things do turn good for the better of LFC but i honestly believe that we have gone back again and we are further away from title than most of you think. PROBABLY ANOTHER 10 YEARS.

I hope that in ain't true but i just dont see us at the top again, we have more chance of cl than epl.

[BOODIDDY]

Lando look afeter that list of yours. I dont mean we are a club the same size as the likes of bolton, villa and everton. We just have as much chance of winning the title in the near future as them. Rafa said that reina was the best keeper in spain. Fact he ain't. Casillas is far better. Why not bring carson back?

Didn't evans teams used to dominate possesion? Lose games? yes, did they win the league? no! Goals win games, i'd rather smash and grab games every week than dominate in the middle of the park and have  a million shots from 30 yards and a 1000 corners that hit the front man. Rafa needs help at the moment and his staff, players (especially big players) and the board need to act.

Nice post though i laughed at it. Lando i'll send you a card every year from now on until we win the league. I'll buy five upfont now.

[alessandromagno]

It's true that everyone has personal problems and then continues. However, they don't always continue to the same level. Gerrard would be less than human if personal problems didn't sometimes affect his game. The fact is Liverpool are a negligible attacking force when Gerrard isn't playing well. We might scrape a tactical  0-0 without him, but as an attacking force we are also zero. I also don't see that Bellamy is any better than Cisse. Cisse was more direct and in your face. Who can see Bellamy scoring more than 19 goals this season. Furthermore, Cisse scored important goals--2 in the Super Cup and that great volley in the Cup Final. He also kept his head to stick away his penalty in the CL final. Sometimes it seems that Rafa is merely tinkering--making changes to personnel without any clear gain. I back the quality of Alonso, Garcia and Kuyt, but some of his other signings have been indifferent to say the least--and as with GH his early signings are proving to be his best. Under Rafa we have also got rid of a lot of good players: Owen, Murphy, Hamman, Cisse (and what's wrong with Pongolle? Why not give him a chance?).

The bottom line is that Rafa is not committed to Liverpool even as much as GH was--though he might be a better manager. That's why I say that if either Rafa or Gerrard had to go, then I'd prefer to see Rafa leave. Gerrard is a local boy who could and should devote his whole career to Liverpool, both as a player and later as a potential manager. Whatever happens, you can be sure Rafa will be off in a few years.

In spite of this, I still think that Rafa deserves his 5 or 6 years to get things right. After that, however, he should and will go if he hasn't won the PL. And when he finally leaves, how many of us will still feel that we don't really know him?

[anfieldadorer]

i think rafa should have won EPL last year and previous year and this year. because we are a dream team. chelsea, manure, arsenal? who are they? rarely heard and how much money do they have? what have they won?

fire rafa! we should hire jesus!

[66-1120597113]

I dont make knee jerk reactions, but after today and the season so far, then something has to be said. Benitez just hasn't grasped the premiership. His methods aren't suited to it. I'm fed up of reading about the number of corners, shots and possesion we have. GOALS WIN GAMES! END OF

I ain't saying rafa must go, no way. But, someone must be brought in alongside him who understands the prem and english football. Alex Miller is the only Brit and he ain't very good.

Our game has no speed to it. Our strikers are incapable of going past defenders and the wingers are the poorest wingers i have seen in red shirts.

Just listening to rafa on the telly, he seems dillusional. Statistics! Remember Houllier? Same thing every week.

I would like to hear our manager coome out once and say that we are poor and need to change drastically. The defence is cagey, mainly down to the fact that reina isn't a good keeper. Now, i know we had  a number of clean sheets last year, but how many of them were down to the brilliance of reina? Not many! Carra and sammi were immense.

A number of our players don't try. Look at their kits when they come off, no sweat, dirt etc.

Gerrard looks embarrassed to be playing with some of our players. Gonzales is one who needs to go, as long as i have a hole in my that lad won't be a player. Pennant just isn't up to it thats why wenger got rid. Kuyt, Crouch are too similar and Bellamy will run all day but so will steve cram and he ain't a top footballer is he? The speed has all gone, Owen,Baros Cisse Pongolle.

I cant wait for Kewell to come back cos i believe he is the only answer to our left sided problems.

We are no nearer to challenging for the title then the likes of Bolton, Everton Villa etc.

If we really want it then we must think big. This club is resting on its laurels again. The signings this summer are very similar to Houlliers Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou summer. We got oue second and sometimes third choice signings in certain positions cos we aren't thinking like a big club.

I DONT LIKE RANTING LIKE THIS BUT I'VE HAD ENOUGH AND DON'T WANT TO SEE US GO BACK TO HOULLIERS DARK AGES AGAIN.

THE NEW STADIUM AND INVEST IN THE VERY BEST PLAYERS COS WE WONT FILL A NEW STADIUM WITH THE DRIVEL AND STYLE WE ARE PLAYING AT THE MOMENT.

That post - that single solitary post you've just written there, ensures that for the rest of your days you will be labelled a c*nt.

Sorry, but it's the truth.

Reina isn't a good 'keeper, despite the clean sheets, despite the penalties he has saved in his career, despite being the best 'keeper in Spain the season before he joined us.

Despite all that - Reina is a dodgy 'keeper, why? Because Carragher took the ball away from him a couple of times? You tit.

Or is it because he made a few errors earlier in the season because Mr Wonderful JC f*cked up?

Either way, you obviously know as much about football as I do about the innards of a Walrus' large intestine. F*ck all.

"Beni hasn't grasped the Premiership", Mr Diddy reckons. Well Mr Griffin thinks that Mr Diddy is a gimp, to be honest.

A record amount of points, a record number of clean sheets, a record number of consecutive wins and games unbeaten do something to your theory, Boo.

You want to know what, Boo? Well, Boo - they take your theory's pants down and stick their throbbing rod of truth right up your theory's sh*tter. THAT is what they do, Boo. You f*cking Necrophiliac.

Anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that you start to worry when your team ISN'T creating chances. When it ISN'T dominating games. When the players aren't even GETTING shots.

But lets all imagine for a moment that you are right, Boo. We are on the same level as Everton and Bolton.

So lets just scrap that "Only British team into the group stages of the Champions' League" title, and go for "Sh*t, finishing mid-table at best club".

We didn't finish 3rd last season with the FA cup aswell. We didn't win the CHampions' League the season before.

No - we're no better than our bitter-scum neighbours. We haven't had our hardest start to a season in certainly MY lifetime. We're just sh*te. We'll never be anything under Rafa as he doesn't understand the English game.

Ahem.


F*CK OFF YOU THICK TW*T.

We are Liverpool FC, and we WILL show c*nts like you that when you pull a lion's tail, he'll turn round and bite your f*cking head off.

F*ck everyone who doubts Rafa - he will prove you wrong and you'll skulk back hoping everyone's forgotten your little "indescretions".

Well f*ck you. I'm making a list, getting Santa to check it twice, and I'll post the names of every sad c*nt who has pulled the boss down in his hour of need.

Call yourselves supporters?

I wouldn't wipe my dogsh*t-stained shoes on you, you f*cking whores.

Its not like you to mince your words Lando!

Must have got laid last night your sooooo happy!!  

[67-1161385641]

The away form is bad but the fixture list has not been kind and if you compare it to last years away results, in our best ever Premiership season, things don't look as bad.

Last season wasn't our best season in the Premiership, I'd go as far as saying the 2001/02 season when we finished runner up was our best season or the 1996/97 could also been seen as a better season than last season, in terms of quality football we played. I do agree with the rest of the things you say, but you still can't help but feel disappointed with how this season has panned out. I thought our away day’s blues were slowly starting to fade away.

[67-1161385641]

We have 3 home games now to get things sorted then a few easy away games to get a run going.

We had an easy away game yesterday evening and we still up. I'm very optimistic, but my optimism is starting to drain away some what, we should have won yesterday, I'm still struggling to come to terms with the fact we didn't.

[67-1161385641]

Maybe we have to accept we are no longer a BIG club. Look at our buys, we just cant compete with Mancs or Chelsea for players. Mancs have bought Ferdinand £28million, Rooney £25million, Veron £28million Van Nistelroy £24million .Chelsea have bought Shevchenko, Cole, Essien, Drogba all over £20million. And we are trying to catch them!

We spent £30million on 5 players maybe we would have been better off spending most of it on one world class player. I just dont know anymore. I was made up with our buys after we got Kuyt(before Kuyt I was a little disappointed) but maybe one world class player and one prospect every season is the better way to go?

Are you and peewee saying you want us to either be bought out by some billionaire, who will no doubt turn us into a brand name and tarnish our traditions just for a league title, which we can win with honesty and hardwork?!?!

[alxy]

It's the system and environment, not so much the player. Even if we had bought a world class player, we would still be in this mess if we don't play up to his strengths and expectations. And that is what we are doing now. Gerrard is a world class player. But he is looking distinctly ordinary nowadays. On the other hand, a brilliant man manager can make ordinary players play like superstars. That is what I think Rafa needs to focus on, i.e. player motivation.