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[7_Kewell]

I luv Cisse's complete lack of respect for anyone who's not supporting LIVERPOOL . He may be sh*te but for now he's a red and hs hearts in the right place .         

Yeah, as poor a player as he is, I like his attitude the way he winds the opposition fans up and gets ours going.  It's very redeeming, if not enough to make me want to keep him on the playing staff.  I still think we can do a lot better.

for a striker, we couldn't do much worse.  Cisse's miss against Blackburn summed up his season.

[jonnymac1979]

for a striker, we couldn't do much worse.  Cisse's miss against Blackburn summed up his season.

Which miss?  Fair he enough he should have scored both.

The one in the first half though, I was creaming myself over Fowlers "Litmanen-esque" ball over the top in the first place.  Cisse still took one too many touches before he struck it but he made his reputation in France on such chances.  He took his goal well against West Brom from a jaw-dropping pass from Alonso, so he can knock those one-on-one chances in.  He's not completely rubbish.  Apparently, they're his bread and butter. 

He's still no Michael Owen though.  You have to ponder on the thought; if Cisse hadn't already had been signed by Houllier which we all know now is common knowledge from the murmurs at the shareholders meeting, would Benitez have sold Owen, knowing he had a spare £14 million to spend on Alonso and Garcia (which is where the Owen money supposedly went)?  I suspect we all know the answer.....

In my opinion Cisse's been a very expensive mistake.  We can argue how good and bad he is all day long (obviously, seeing how many replies this thread has had) but if we ameteur tacticians and do-gooders for LFC can see that he's no good, Benitez can certainly see it.  Cisse the lad won't see his contract out and as soon as a way out ocurrs, where we get him off the wage bill and a more than suitable replacement is found, expect Benitez to take advantage.

[jonnymac1979]

I'd have to agree with jonnymac1979 on Cisse....the way he goads the opposition and acts up, i have just about as much time for that carry-on as I do for Robben and Drogba.....both of whom make me sick (not as much as Savage tho' ).....I don't recall LIV players from the past carry on like that, and quite frankly, it makes me want to switch channel

Weren't me who said that mate, I was merging a thread from another member.  I don't actually agree, I like the way Cisse gets the crowd going.

I could have actually went on Sunday but my personal circumstances stopped me.  When I was watching it on telly though, you couldn't help but laugh at Cisse's big grin when Fowler scored.  He clearly knew he was offside, and he knew by laughing he would wind Blackburn's players up. 

If one of Blackburn's players were taking the piss like this out of Liverpool, you'd see the flip side of the coin I'm sure.  I've seen Cisse do it at least three times to my knowledge.  The Chelsea semi-final in the Champions League, against Newcastle a couple of weeks back and against Blackburn.  If anything, it shows he cares a little bit, even though he may feel he's had a raw deal.  He's only had a raw deal because he's clearly not Liverpool class in my opinion.

[Crouchamania]

Cisse is becomong another Diouf. That miss against Man U made me wanna kill him. Why is he always playing on the right side of midfield though

[Crouchamania]

Whoops i mean becoming

[Bad Bob]

That's why I suspect he will still be here next season, basically because nobody wants him enough to make selling him an attractive proposition...
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The simple economics of modern football are that we can't go and bid for E'to or Shevchenko because we simply can't afford them. we either have to take a chance on a slightly less proven player, maybe a youngster or two in the hope that they have slipped under the radar of the Chelski player accumulators. The other alternative of course is that you take a calculated gamble on somebody with a dodgy temperament, somebody with undoubted ability who is hungry as a yard dog and possibly a top player just waiting to happen. Bellamy could just be that player.

A thoughtful post as usual, mate.  I have a couple of comments to add...

Suppose you're right and we can't find a reasonable buyer for Cisse this summer...do you think there's a chance we could loan him out to a prospective buyer?  That, of course, may blow up in our faces if he under-performs elsewhere but if he comes good, his value will soar.  I honestly don't think we'll need him next season if we buy well this summer--searing pace or not.  Hell, even if we don't, I think that FSP can basically bring as much or more to the team than Cisse.

As for your point about football economics, you are spot on.  It does my head in to hear people calling for us to splash the cash on the big names during each transfer period...as though we've got the money tucked under the mattress and just lack the bottle to dig it out and use it on established stars.  To read some comments, you'd think that Rafa was an obstinant old pr!ck who'd rather sign Spanish Sunday League players than pay a few pounds more for "proven quality"!  Some people need to wake up...the club's not being stingy for the principle of it.  Fact is, we can't compete financially with the Chelsea's or Man U's in signing established superstars and thus are forced to approach transfers a little differently.

What we can do, as you say, is recruit young talent and mould them into future superstars.  Rafa's clearly adopted this tactic big style and I think we'll start to see it pay dividends in the next couple seasons as the likes of Anderson, Barragan, Calliste etc join the senior squad.

The other route, as you point out, is to take a chance on talented players (a la Bellamy) who have questionable temperments, to see if any can up their game and get their attitude sorted after signing for a top club. 

This is an option that Rafa hasn't really explored yet.  Indeed, it may be one he's hesitant about--he seems to put great stock in a player's attitude and disposition, if some of his press comments are anything to go by (or maybe "he's a nice boy and a good professional" is one of the first English phrases he mastered! ). 

IMHO, man management is not Rafa's strongest suit so I'd be a little surprised if he went this route...he just doesn't seem to be the arm-around-the-shoulder/kick-up-the-backside type of manager and that might be what a player like Bellamy would need.  I'm not saying that Bellamy's not talented--he is, and I'd love to see him playing for us--I just don't think that Rafa will take a chance on a player who may disrupt the team chemistry.

[7_Kewell]

in all honesty id rather take bellamy than owen.

and im finally admitting that maybe cisse is not all that good:p

i can't stand that gob$*i*e Bellamy.

He is a class footballer though, you've got to agree with that ?

he's got ability, but he's a TVVAT

[RAGE UK]

I’ve said it before on here cisse is not worth monkeys.
He has become the goalkeeper’s player of the year for making them look good.
He has done the same thing over and over I think he has got a problem in his head how many time does he have to shoot directly at the keeper for god sakes.
His attitude stinks he has only got respect for himself on the pitch and he thinks he a superstar player but he can’t play like one. he moans if no one gives him the ball like a 8 year old kid but he's to go it alone at every opportunity.
He has become Liverpool’s Homer Simpson he knows that is going to happen but dose the same thing anyway.
I for one will be glad to see the back of him along with Morientes.

[marcus.c]

Cisse is just not good enough. Like Baros, he should be shown his way out this summer. No point wasting time on such player. Against blackburn, how many chances he had? He blew them all away. waste of money.

[Judge]

On SSN this morning, Morientes has been saying he wants to stay and do his 4 years at LFC. Up until then i was happy, now im sad

[anfieldadorer]

On SSN this morning, Morientes has been saying he wants to stay and do his 4 years at LFC. Up until then i was happy, now im sad

sadable... 
i'd rather see flo stay than moro

[bng89]

On SSN this morning, Morientes has been saying he wants to stay and do his 4 years at LFC. Up until then i was happy, now im sad

sadable... 
i'd rather see flo stay than moro

Please not the 4 years 

[bunglemark2]

anfieldadorer - i'm with you on the Flo comment. I think Morientes is past it and I can't see any club(s) lining up to take him off our hands. What WOULD amaze me would be if Cisse joined up with GH in Lyon and actually started delivering THERE.....God knows he couldn't fo it for Liverpool.....

[dmf]

i dont think we'll have any problems getting rid of cisse there seems to be plenty of interest in him from other clubs(im not sure why).

[bng89]

i dont think we'll have any problems getting rid of cisse there seems to be plenty of interest in him from other clubs(im not sure why).

Who cares about the reasons, just take him