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Postby Paul C » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:13 am

stu_the_red wrote:
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stu_the_red wrote:Dawson, if i'd had any sleep mate, i'd point out just how :censored: he is, but i can't be arsed.

With the exception of the goal away to Anderlecht which he scored and the goal against Newcastle at St James park name another good quality goal he's played a vital or impressive part in all season.

Someone always has to do something :censored: or stupid for him to score.

i suppose the the goal v everton wasnt a good goal then??

anyway its pretty likely cisse is off but all the tottenham talk is just speculation.  tottenham have already denied any interest!

Great finish but again for crying out loud look how got into the position... It was hardly great skill... Weir had a Traore moment which let him in. Not a quality goal. I can name loads of easy chances he's missed and if you actually GO TO THE GAME you'd realise how :censored: and frustrating he actually is. The amount of times he simply fails to spot the easy pass, shits out of goalscoring oppurtunities incase he takes a little knock and the amount of times moves simply break down because of his overall lack of quality.

If you think that lad is good enough for this club, you're deluded. Rafa wants him out for a reason. That reason is crystal clear to all.

Do I need to add to that, nah think Stu summed it up pretty well  :nod
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Postby 7_Kewell » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:17 am

RAfa refused to talk about Cisse's future at anfield and for me that is a clear message that he's going in the summer.  Thanks for the effort Cisse, but it didn't work out.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:11 am

7_Kewell wrote:RAfa refused to talk about Cisse's future at anfield and for me that is a clear message that he's going in the summer.  Thanks for the effort Cisse, but it didn't work out.

What :censored: effort? ???

If he put effort in i wouldn't be so against him. He's simply :censored: and lazy to boot.

At least Morientes :censored: tries.
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:47 pm

stu_the_red wrote:I can name loads of easy chances he's missed and if you actually GO TO THE GAME you'd realise how :censored: and frustrating he actually is.

because it's different actually been there than it is watching it on telly? He still misses too many chances, he still doesn't look for the easy pass, he still is an arrogant twit, he still couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo, so Stu, whether your there or not doesn't make a blind bit of difference.  :no
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Postby Garymac » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:52 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:RAfa refused to talk about Cisse's future at anfield and for me that is a clear message that he's going in the summer.  Thanks for the effort Cisse, but it didn't work out.

What :censored: effort? ???

If he put effort in i wouldn't be so against him. He's simply :censored: and lazy to boot.

At least Morientes :censored: tries.

:D Exactly what i was about to say!!!!
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Postby 112-1143112803 » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:06 pm

To all you true Liverpool Fans I’m deeply sorry to have to subject you to this but I believe that the current situation has become so dire that this must be said.

Now, for this one post I am going to descend to the level of ‘fan’ that most infuriates me and I’m sure many of you fellow supporters. I am going to have to focus my attention upon one player as opposed to the entire team, which I believe no fan should ever knowingly do as football is a team game and, as you are told from the earliest age, one player does not make a team. This one player however is, somewhat predictably, Djibril Cisse.

Let me start by saying that I am a believer in Cisse’s ability and have never, and will never, turn against him especially not while he dons the famous red strip of Liverpool FC. In the aftermath of Sunday’s game, despite the many positives that should have been taken from our victory over a difficult opponent, many of the fans, and I use the term loosely, who frequent these boards decided to turn all their energies upon tearing into Cisse’s role in the game. Now I like many of you witnessed this match and took note of Cisse’s contribution to the game. However, this is where my problem begins, I came away with a very contrasting view of Cisse’s game to, what seems, the majority of the other fans who post on these boards. My overall assessment of Cisse, in this game was that he played well. However ever since the final whistle blew I have read many of the Cisse posts that cropped up on these boards and I found positive posts, whether about Cisse or our general performance, a rarity, which I for one find absolutely disgusting. I did however, very predictably, find that the abundant negative posts about Cisse contained the same tired old criticisms and very few actual negatives from his performance against Newcastle.

Cisse’s performance against Newcastle while containing inevitable mistakes, which coincidently these fans have not commented on for other players, was on the whole a good one. In this match I witnessed: a Cisse cross lead to a goal, vastly improved runs, more defensive play in evidence, a noticeably improved first touch, a very well dispatched penalty and I saw Cisse becoming an ever increasing threat to the Newcastle goal as the game wore on, particularly after his switch to a more central position. Some of you may want to contradict one or more of these points but ask yourself if, for example his first touch, the point you’re going to make has relevance to his game against Newcastle and I believe you’ll find the answer to be, no. Can any of you name a point at which Cisse’s first touch let him down against Newcastle?

There were however, as already mentioned, a few inevitable mistakes in Cisse’s performance; entirely perfect performances are a rarity for any player and I, like everyone who watched the game, did notice Cisse’s poor decision to shoot as opposed to playing a ball to Harry Kewell, which would have almost guaranteed us another goal. However, I implore you to ask yourselves, how easy that pass would actually have been and whether Cisse was actually aware of Kewell’s wareabouts, also if you were in the same situation as Cisse, getting the few games in his preferred position that he has, what would you have done? Wouldn’t you have attempted to alleviate some of the pressure on you by scoring. You may now say that a good player would have been aware of Kewell’s presence and been selfless enough to pass but, with no criticism of Kewell here, Kewell’s run into the box was relatively late and, for another thing, when you are inside the opposition’s penalty area you simply do not have the time or opportunity to stop and look for the pass, you have a split second to decide what option you will decide to do. With hindsight we are able to see that he made the wrong choice but at the time, I for one, was thinking “hit it”. I also witnessed Cisse’s miss hit cross from the back post after, I think it was, Warnock’s original ball in. Now this I cannot really explain as it was exactly what I said, a miss hit, but when you’re arriving to the ball at such a speed it is very difficult to provide a perfect first-time ball. Mistakes are common in football and this was certainly one of them.

One mistake however that he made that I will not even attempt to defend was his ‘goading’ of the Newcastle fans. His original celebration, while now considered incitement, was not in my opinion a bad thing to do, I’m sure all of you can appreciate Cisse’s desire to dedicate a goal to the his newborn child. It is however now against the rules to raise your shirt and so he did deserve to be punished. However his continued goading, while I’m sure done in jest, was little short of stupid. It damaged the appearance of the club and him as a player, which I’m sure was not his intention as from what I’ve seen of him he is a gentleman and if he could relive that moment of madness and rush of blood I’m sure he would as it’s a miracle that he wasn’t more severely punished for his behaviour. As I said his behaviour is undefendable but I beg you to forget it and pass it off as a mistake even though I do not in anyway condone what he did. Our very own Robbie Fowler does not exactly hold a clean behavioural record yet he is still adored by the majority of Liverpool fans, why should one player receive specialised treatment over another; they are part of the same team yet they are treated so differently. The good points of his performance do however, in my honest opinion, outweigh the few key mistakes of his game but as it’s Cisse anything less than an immaculate performance is unacceptable. How some of you can claim to be supporters when you turn on one player for a few mistakes yet many other players are impervious to criticism from you.

The main, currently justified, problem with Cisse is his lack of composure. All I can say to that is that composure comes with the confidence brought about by a consistent run of games. Many of the fans on here have been asking for Cisse to be given a run of games upfront for weeks now yet a large number of these fans have fallen at the first hurdle as it were and are not prepared to give their support to Cisse anymore. This is not the behaviour of true fans, as I am constantly saying true fans are those with belief in the team, faith that we will succeed and those who give their all in support of everyone connected with this great club. You will never catch me, and I’m sure many other true fans, criticising anyone who plays in the red shirt for no good reason. It’s not being naïve it’s called having faith; faith that each player’s true quality will show . What good is criticism going to do, unless constructive, all it does is cause the person pain and, in the case of footballers, causes them to lose the confidence on which they thrive. I’m not in anyway suggesting that the team, and each player within the team, is perfect, all I’m saying is that singling out players for criticism is not what we should be doing.
During Crouch’s barren spell the behaviour of the Liverpool fans really rebuffed my belief that we are the best and most supportive fans in the world. When Crouch was given a chance to break his duck and score from the penalty spot, did he? Yet still we supported him, why can’t we do the same with Cisse who did score his penalty? Cisse is in the same position that Crouch was, that being that he’s not scoring the goals that are expected of him yet Crouch received a huge level of support whereas support of Cisse is somewhat lacking. Though I can understand that Crouch during his barren spell was playing good team football I just can’t see why the belief shown in Crouch is not shown in Cisse. Cisse is hugely improving his all round play: tracking back, tackling, looking for passes and playing out of position to help out the team he loves. Some people regularly question Cisse’s attitude problem. What attitude problem? He once showed his displeasure at being subbed, not at the management as many ‘fans’ choose to believe but at himself, again Crouch has done the same thing but his attitude is not questioned. Cisse has shown time and again that he loves this club, is loyal and is willing to fight for his place yet again many of our fellow fans choose not to give him an opportunity to show us his true quality. Cisse has also been called the new ‘le sulk’ but his sulking expression is again his displeasure with himself. Cisse in an interview a while ago told us that his disappointed expressions are how he plays football and who are any of us fans to question him? Sure Cisse could provide his team mates with more encouragement but that’s something that can be rectified with time. Time is something Cisse has on his side, he’s still only 24 and so is nowhere near his prime yet. Under Rafa’s guidance I am sure we’ll see a huge improvement in Cisse, all I can ask is that each and every fan on here gives Cisse the chance to improve instead of jumping on each and every mistake he makes.

If this slating of Cisse continues, then I suggest is that you ‘Cisse Slaters’ take a long hard look at yourselves and then decide if your behaviour is befitting of a true supporter of Liverpool. Everyone at this great club will always have my, and I hope others, full support. Recently I have become absolutely disgusted with what many ‘Liverpool Fans’ have descended to. Regardless of personal opinions of a player we should support each and every team member to play our part and help get the best out of this great club. As I have mentioned in another topic it all comes down to the holy trinity, in a football club, that Shankly used to talk about.

No player at Liverpool should ever walk alone but if the current situation continues we must ask ourselves whether we are the greatest fans in the world. I beg of you to treat all players equally and comment only upon the overall team performance. The only criticism on here must be constructive; we must have the courage to stick with each and every player through rough patches. Playing the blame game is of no benefit. Please can we rectify this board and our overall fellowship in Liverpool FC.

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Postby dawson99 » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:15 pm

if u go to the game.. blah blah blah. believe it or not u can tell something if u cant get to every game (some of us have to work stu).

cisse is not as bad as u r saying. u dont like him fari enough. ud rather get someone else, fair enough. but you dont have to talk down to everyone who doesnt agree with your point of view.
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Postby JC_81 » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:24 pm

Papoose...

Very longwinded, and quite frankly garbage.

Any 'true' supporter as you call them knows that Cisse's presence in the squad is detrimental to the team.  He thinks only of himself which is mirrored in his body language on the pitch, his frequent sulks and his unparallelled selfishness in his play.

Anyone who knows anything about the game or who has played it to any sort of level can tell you that Cisse is a poor footballer.  Poor football brain, poor composure (which is not purely due to confidence despite what you say) and poor technique.  He's a good athlete who can kick the ball hard (albeit straight at the keeper or over the bar), that's it.

Maybe there's a reason why you read so many 'Cisse-bashing posts' as you call them - it's because they're correct.

Just about every regular poster on this forum agrees Cisse will never make it at this club, are we all wrong?  Just because one poster takes a shine to the lad and writes a thesis explaining why his opinion is correct doesn't make the rest of us wrong.
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Postby dawson99 » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:35 pm

john craig wrote:Papoose...

Very longwinded, and quite frankly garbage.

Any 'true' supporter as you call them knows that Cisse's presence in the squad is detrimental to the team.  He thinks only of himself which is mirrored in his body language on the pitch, his frequent sulks and his unparallelled selfishness in his play.

Anyone who knows anything about the game or who has played it to any sort of level can tell you that Cisse is a poor footballer.  Poor football brain, poor composure (which is not purely due to confidence despite what you say) and poor technique.  He's a good athlete who can kick the ball hard (albeit straight at the keeper or over the bar), that's it.

Maybe there's a reason why you read so many 'Cisse-bashing posts' as you call them - it's because they're correct.

Just about every regular poster on this forum agrees Cisse will never make it at this club, are we all wrong?  Just because one poster takes a shine to the lad and writes a thesis explaining why his opinion is correct doesn't make the rest of us wrong.

im gonna disagree with u there. He may not work ni this team but that does not make him  bad footballer. He was class in france, and i know that is not the same level but look at dean ashton in the lower league, he was class there and thats about the same as france. When cisse leaves, and i know he will, hes gonna score a lot of goals for the right team.

his presence is detrimental to the team? yeah it really looked that way when stevie g ran right up to im to hug the guy.
It looks like it when u hear people talk about him and the way they aer with him on the pitch. Hes got passion, he hasnt been given chances and he shouldnt be on the right wing.
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Postby JC_81 » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:46 pm

dawson99 wrote:
john craig wrote:Papoose...

Very longwinded, and quite frankly garbage.

Any 'true' supporter as you call them knows that Cisse's presence in the squad is detrimental to the team.  He thinks only of himself which is mirrored in his body language on the pitch, his frequent sulks and his unparallelled selfishness in his play.

Anyone who knows anything about the game or who has played it to any sort of level can tell you that Cisse is a poor footballer.  Poor football brain, poor composure (which is not purely due to confidence despite what you say) and poor technique.  He's a good athlete who can kick the ball hard (albeit straight at the keeper or over the bar), that's it.

Maybe there's a reason why you read so many 'Cisse-bashing posts' as you call them - it's because they're correct.

Just about every regular poster on this forum agrees Cisse will never make it at this club, are we all wrong?  Just because one poster takes a shine to the lad and writes a thesis explaining why his opinion is correct doesn't make the rest of us wrong.

im gonna disagree with u there. He may not work ni this team but that does not make him  bad footballer. He was class in france, and i know that is not the same level but look at dean ashton in the lower league, he was class there and thats about the same as france. When cisse leaves, and i know he will, hes gonna score a lot of goals for the right team.

his presence is detrimental to the team? yeah it really looked that way when stevie g ran right up to im to hug the guy.
It looks like it when u hear people talk about him and the way they aer with him on the pitch. Hes got passion, he hasnt been given chances and he shouldnt be on the right wing.

Gerrard gave him a hug, I guess that means Cisse is not detrimental to the team then ???

His attitude stinks, do you not think he has a detrimental effect on team-mates when he downright refuses to pass to them when they are in better positions?  Do you not think it has a detrimental effect on them when he blazes the ball over the bar against United in a tight games because he was too busy sitting on his ar.se moaning?  Do you not think it has a detrimental effect on the team when he constantly antagonises referees with his behaviour? (who do you think they will give the next 50-50 decision to - the opposing team or the one with the moan, who is constantly hassling him, is playing for?)

You may be right in saying that Cisse will go on to be successful in another side, but I guarantee you that it won't be in any of the top divisions of England, Italy or Spain.  He's not good enough.  He'll go back to France eventually and if he's lucky he'll pick up where he left off there.

And don't compare him with Ashton.  Ashton has already proven himself to be good enough for the premiership (even in the short time he has played there), he's an excellent player, far superior technically to Cisse.  Watch the build up to his 1st goal the other night as an example - that was absolute top drawer - vision, skill and finishing that Cisse will NEVER be capable of.
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Postby 112-1143112803 » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:55 pm

dawson99..

i agree with you.
might just add that he is the only striker(flo cannot be utilized at the moment) we have that can also be used on the right wing to great effect thus increasing the managers options making the team more dynamic.
Plus he does score the odd goal in the few minutes he gets in the field or from the right and so far he has outscored all our other strikers :)

On defoe,some of 'fans' suggest we should swap him for cisse plus 2/3m.
why?cisse has so far outscored defoe and will lead frances attack in the world cup.... defoe can only barely make the bench of Enland;not that they are scoring for fun anyway
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Postby Ace Ventura » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:02 pm

john craig wrote:Papoose...

Very longwinded, and quite frankly garbage.

That longwinded, it may be another of these multiple id people ?
As that is the longest post i have ever seen from a newbie.
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Postby dawson99 » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:03 pm

maybe john craig just doesnt know what hes on about. im not sure how detrimental he is to the team. hes played in the last 3 games and we have scored 15 goals. id hate to see how many wed score without him there then!!!

how detrimental can smoenoe be when we are playing as well as we are. ok, he didnt pass to kewell, but hes been crossing the ball. and ehs a striker, he lives to score goals!! FFS
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Postby Ace Ventura » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:04 pm

papoose wrote:dawson99..

On defoe,some of 'fans' suggest we should swap him for cisse plus 2/3m.
why?cisse has so far outscored defoe and will lead frances attack in the world cup.... defoe can only barely make the bench of Enland;not that they are scoring for fun anyway

You actually believe that Cisse is of the same standard as Defoe  :laugh:
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Postby stmichael » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:05 pm

papoose wrote:On defoe,some of 'fans' suggest we should swap him for cisse plus 2/3m.
why?cisse has so far outscored defoe and will lead frances attack in the world cup.... defoe can only barely make the bench of Enland;not that they are scoring for fun anyway

Anyone who wouldn't prefer Defoe over Cisse must be smoking crack from a big ol crack pipe.
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