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[woof woof !]

Irrespective of the NOTW's association with the S*n, it's a pile of w@nk anyway. He may earn more money at the NOTW, but I would hardly call it a move up in the world.

Not quite the discerning observation I expected .

[LFC2007]

Irrespective of the NOTW's association with the S*n, it's a pile of w@nk anyway. He may earn more money at the NOTW, but I would hardly call it a move up in the world.

Not quite the discerning observation I expected .

It's a clear observation, the NOTW is a pile of w@nk.

There is nothing to discern.

[woof woof !]

Irrespective of the NOTW's association with the S*n, it's a pile of w@nk anyway. He may earn more money at the NOTW, but I would hardly call it a move up in the world.

Not quite the discerning observation I expected .

It's a clear observation, the NOTW is a pile of w@nk.

There is nothing to discern.

I was referring to the question I'd asked prior to your post .

[LFC2007]

There is nothing to discern.

I was referring to the question I'd asked prior to your post .[/quote]
Oh right. I was giving my general view on the issue.

[jonnymac1979]

About three months ago, I got offered a job which effectively more than comfortably doubled my salary.  A lot less work as well.  Petrol expenses, contract mobile phone on O2.  Cushiest job I'll probably ever have.

Needless to say, it took me half a second to accept it.  Why shouldn't I?  I love my job.  Was nothing really 'wrong' with my old job but what would you have all done if you were me?

There you go.  I've been on the dole in the not too far past and NOBODY wants that - believe me.  When you get offered the chance I was given, you take it.  So he's doing what he has to do as far as I'm concerned.  Some people are motivated by money, others aren't, but everybody has to make a living for themselves.  I'll bet even Bill Gates has bills to pay. 

Okay, I wasn't being offered a job in a company which has extremely questionable morals with a reputation lower than a snake's belly, but there's still a point to what I have wrote above, surely you can see that?

Dave Usher is a Liverpool fan who let's face it, is, was and has been in the know for years.  Rick Parry and Jamie Carragher regularly read his fanzine for a start, Neil Mellor used to always give detailed interviews to him when he was playing for us, he's a bit of an 'inside man' on the club and someone who I would say you can trust 100% when he says something about Liverpool FC. 

Bascombe considered how a lot of fans would take his decision so I'm guessing that this is not something he has done lightly because of this link with the two rags in question.

I say just let him get on with it.  It's really up to yourselves whether you wish him well or not, but I don't blame the lad for taking the job.  Technically, it's not the s*n newspaper he's going to work for, and like the poster above said, how far do you take this?  Boycotting Sky as well?  Where does it all end? 

For example, there's a good chance that someone on this forum knows someone who has fought and died in Iraq.  Now I've read somewhere that Tom Hicks supported George W. Bush's Presidential campaign with a considerable amount of money.  And isn't it widely considered by some quarters that the Iraq invasion was based on lies and bullshit from George W. Bush?  A pointless war, even more innocent bloodshed.  So do you boycott Tom Hicks as well, cause he helped Bush get in?

I'm really not being insensitive and maybe that's not the best example admittedly, but how far do you go and where does it realistically end..?

The HJC campaign to boycott the rag in question has rightly built up a huge awareness over the last 20 years that people from all over the UK at the very least know that Liverpool Football Club will never forgive the s*n newspaper.  I'm not suggesting that I'm not aware that the NOTW does have links with the gutter rag.  But the campaign is directed against the s*n.  And I read neither newspaper anyway.

There are for and against aruments in this case and it could go on all night.  Some very good points have been made here, some that won't agree with mine.  Yes, this is a sensitive issue, different people will feel differently on the subject, clearly.  A guy who writes on the club and who's opinion we all have trusted over the last few years could be perceived as a traitor for want of a better word but it might be worth having a look at what he had to think about as well and seeing how he came to his decision. 

I think it's just come down to the fact that he did what he had to do.  You all make your own minds up.  Just protest by not reading his articles if that's how you feel.  Clearly I won't be any more, regardless of how I feel about him leaving his Echo job to further his career.

[LFC2007]

About three months ago, I got offered a job which effectively more than comfortably doubled my salary.  A lot less work as well.  Petrol expenses, contract mobile phone on O2.  Cushiest job I'll probably ever have.

Needless to say, it took me half a second to accept it.  Why shouldn't I?  I love my job.  Was nothing really 'wrong' with my old job but what would you have all done if you were me?

There you go.  I've been on the dole in the not too far past and NOBODY wants that - believe me.  When you get offered the chance I was given, you take it.  So he's doing what he has to do as far as I'm concerned.  Some people are motivated by money, others aren't, but everybody has to make a living for themselves.  I'll bet even Bill Gates has bills to pay. 

Okay, I wasn't being offered a job in a company which has extremely questionable morals with a reputation lower than a snake's belly, but there's still a point to what I have wrote above, surely you can see that?

Dave Usher is a Liverpool fan who let's face it, is, was and has been in the know for years.  Rick Parry and Jamie Carragher regularly read his fanzine for a start, Neil Mellor used to always give detailed interviews to him when he was playing for us, he's a bit of an 'inside man' on the club and someone who I would say you can trust 100% when he says something about Liverpool FC. 

Bascombe considered how a lot of fans would take his decision so I'm guessing that this is not something he has done lightly because of this link with the two rags in question.

I say just let him get on with it.  It's really up to yourselves whether you wish him well or not, but I don't blame the lad for taking the job.  Technically, it's not the s*n newspaper he's going to work for, and like the poster above said, how far do you take this?  Boycotting Sky as well?  Where does it all end? 

For example, there's a good chance that someone on this forum knows someone who has fought and died in Iraq.  Now I've read somewhere that Tom Hicks supported George W. Bush's Presidential campaign with a considerable amount of money.  And isn't it widely considered by some quarters that the Iraq invasion was based on lies and bullshit from George W. Bush?  A pointless war, even more innocent bloodshed.  So do you boycott Tom Hicks as well, cause he helped Bush get in?

I'm really not being insensitive and maybe that's not the best example admittedly, but how far do you go and where does it realistically end..?

The HJC campaign to boycott the rag in question has rightly built up a huge awareness over the last 20 years that people from all over the UK at the very least know that Liverpool Football Club will never forgive the s*n newspaper.  I'm not suggesting that I'm not aware that the NOTW does have links with the gutter rag.  But the campaign is directed against the s*n.  And I read neither newspaper anyway.

There are for and against aruments in this case and it could go on all night.  Some very good points have been made here, some that won't agree with mine.  Yes, this is a sensitive issue, different people will feel differently on the subject, clearly.  A guy who writes on the club and who's opinion we all have trusted over the last few years could be perceived as a traitor for want of a better word but it might be worth having a look at what he had to think about as well and seeing how he came to his decision. 

I think it's just come down to the fact that he did what he had to do.  You all make your own minds up.  Just protest by not reading his articles if that's how you feel.  Clearly I won't be any more, regardless of how I feel about him leaving his Echo job to further his career.

I think you have to question not only the moral standing of the paper, but if the move would benefit his career long term.

Had he continued in his current job a quality job may have come along. I don't know anyone who considers the NOTW a quality newspaper.

It seems like a short term opportunity to jump in with the 'big boys'.

You're right everyone has to earn a living, and maybe he needs the money. But I would hazard a guess that his current job pays reasonably well.

Some people are happy to take more money short term to the detriment of their long term reputation and career as a whole.

I think the NOTW has a strong association with the s*n, it is the equivalent of the sunday s*n and prints just as much sh!t regularly. The association is stronger than merely coming under the umbrella of news corp.

Even if you don't accept the association with the s*n, at the very least I would expect most people to consider the utter sh!t they print on a regular basis as reason to be shocked at his decision.


The Tom Hicks example is a different kettle of fish. That is a political point of view. You could bring up all number of political POV's as reasons to disassociate ourselves with a particular individual or organisation. The actions of the s*n relate directly to all Liverpool fans.


I'm not lambasting the guy, I just disagree with his decision and won't be reading anything he writes in future.

[woof woof !]

I'm not lambasting the guy, I just disagree with his decision and won't be reading anything he writes in future.

Yeah you and 70'000 other people , but what you're all really saying is

"I just disagree with his decision and won't admit to reading anything he writes in future."

All of you can't f'ucking wait to read his first article in the NOTW.

Say what yer like but all of you (and you know who you are) down inside know I'm telling it as it is.

[LFC2007]

I'm not lambasting the guy, I just disagree with his decision and won't be reading anything he writes in future.

Yeah you and 70'000 other people , but what you're all really saying is

"I just disagree with his decision and won't admit to reading anything he writes in future."

All of you can't f'ucking wait to read his first article in the NOTW.

Say what yer like but all of you (and you know who you are) down inside know I'm telling it as it is.

Not quite the discerning observation I expected.

[woof woof !]

I'm not lambasting the guy, I just disagree with his decision and won't be reading anything he writes in future.

Yeah you and 70'000 other people , but what you're all really saying is

"I just disagree with his decision and won't admit to reading anything he writes in future."

All of you can't f'ucking wait to read his first article in the NOTW.

Say what yer like but all of you (and you know who you are) down inside know I'm telling it as it is.

Not quite the discerning observation I expected.

notice however you didn't take the time to deny it.

[LFC2007]

notice however you didn't take the time to deny it.

I won't be reading his articles that's for fecking sure. Not so sure about the other 70,000 though!

Why don't you PM them? 

[jonnymac1979]

Yes, I pointed out the example I used wasn't necessarily the best.  I just tried to illustrate how far to take issues such as this.  Where do you stop?  Someone else mentioned Coca Cola drinks, and Nazi Germany as well.  Similar points to mine.  Before you know it, by subscribing to a particular brand/product/viewpoint, you're going to find someone else who disagrees with you, and even possibly is offended by it.  That's unfortunately the way it is.

It's as simple as this for me.  Chris Bascombe has made his decision because it's best for him.  Nothing will change it by the looks of things.  He'll have no doubt weighed up all the pros and cons that we are all doing so well to list in this thread probably a hundred times or more over in his head and he's made his decision. 

It wouldn't really be an educated prediction on my behalf given that we know that he's in touch with Dave Usher who runs an (...possibly...) even busier forum than this one that he is reading what we're all typing here, at the very least he'll be on The Liverpool Way forum to see how Dave's news to the masses has gone down.

He'll know the type of reaction his career change will provoke but it's his life isn't it?  Sorry I'll not be able to read his articles anymore but that's MY decision based on the information I have and where my moral standing lies.

[woof woof !]

:D

notice however you didn't take the time to deny it.

I won't be reading his articles that's for fecking sure. Not so sure about the other 70,000 though!

Why don't you PM them? 

Naw mate, no need, just use you as a straw poll , and I know that YOU will deffo read his column  .

[LFC2007]

Naw mate, no need, just use you as a straw poll , and I know that YOU will deffo read his column  .

I will defo NOT be reading his column. I don't spend my money on sh!t tabloids.

[woof woof !]

Naw mate, no need, just use you as a straw poll , and I know that YOU will deffo read his column  .

I will defo NOT be reading his column. I don't spend my money on sh!t tabloids.

You will read his column , whether you actually "spend money" to do so is a side issue BUT you know and I know that YOU will read his column .


      

[kunilson]

bit of a weird one this one....i can understand those against him for doing this, after all he was concerned with the reaction he would get for this. and he had family commitments to think about when taking the job, and NOTW isn't officially the s*n even tho its pretty much the equivalent.

its a difficult argument to get into because it involves a personal issue, and especially because chris bascombe is supposed to be "one of us". its almost as if our integrity is under question with this because he is kind of a high profile liverpool fan.

end of the day whats done is done. he knows it aint gonna wash over well with everyone but he has made his bed.