Liverpool FC Forum

[Lando_Griffin]

It appears to me that this board is awash with posters devoid of any character, will, and mental strength. There is no bottle, backbone, or bravery to be found, save for a few pockets of resistance. The place is being raped by negativity, cowardice, fickle-minded lunacy, and prophecies of impending doom.

Now - I realise that I have alienated many of you on here by voicing my views so vociferously. But you have to understand that I really don't care if I've hurt your feelings, made you cry, made you laugh, or made no impression on you whatsoever. I am not here to earn Brownie points, win popularity contests, or see how many a*ses I can lick.

I am here because I support Liverpool Football Club. That's it. No other reason.

The thing that gets me, though, is that whilst I consider "supporting" the club to mean "Supporting the club and those who represent it", many of you seem to be under this incredulous illusion that you can snipe, back-stab, undermine, insult, ridicule and hate, yet still be classed as a supporter. You can't, and the enduring argument to the contrary absolutely boggles the mind.

"We've earned the right to voice our opinions" - yes, you have. But you are not a supporter if you do not support - it's as plain as your IQ report.

Those of a knuckle-dragging persuasion will still try and argue that they "support" Liverpool FC, not it's employees. ("Because the club was here first and will be here long after".)

This, too, boggles the mind.

What do you think the club is? Some floating f*cking entity? Is it some massless being, which simply exists?

Or is it Anfield? Because if it is, we're f*cked when we move.

Or s it a set of traditions? The same traditions a whole host of you are vomiting all over as we speak?

Or is it a mindset? A mindset you're ignoring for want of personal victory?

Or is it the boardroom? The boardroom you happily slate at every turn?

Or could it be history? The history you are colouring to suit your own agendas? The history that had it's bleak moments, it's trophy-droughts, and it's failures in the league? (Or did we win the league every season back then? Because, by my reckoning, from 1963 to 1990, we'd have racked up 27 league titles, as opposed to the 13 we DID manage. (Don't keel over, but do you realise that this means that during our glory years, we actually failed to win the title 14 times!    - shocking! I mean - f*ck me - Shanks failed to win the title for 6 years after his 2nd win - he should have been f*cking sacked, what with us having such a strong squad and all. Don't forget - they'd won the title 2 out of the 3 years previous - it was obviously his motivational skills that were lacking. (Maybe he should have hired an assistant ))

Now I don't expect a bunch of meandering imbeciles to listen to me. (Afterall - all I do is swear and insult, apparently.) But what I do expect is for people to now nail their colours to the mast:

You are either a supporter, or a detractor. A hero, or a coward. A lion, or a worm.

You cannot have it both ways, see? You either love the club, and pledge to fight tooth-and-nail to ensure we get through this sh*t spell together, or you actually care more about your own desire to be proven right than of this famous and much-loved institution.

"United we stand, divided we fall."

Who is going to stand up and be counted in the face of all this cr*p? Who is going to uphold the traditions of this club, link arms with their fellow fans, and show the World that we are Liverpool Football Club, and we can beat any c*nt who comes knocking?

Who is going to rally round in Rafa's hour of need, and stave off the circling Vultures that are Heimdall, The Rock, et al?

Who's going to show these detractors what the real Liverpool way is? Who's going to grow a set of balls and refuse to yield to the sly little b*stards?

And who's going to stand in our way?

Let your place be known. You're either a fighter with heart, passion, determination and belief, or you're a wriggling little parasite who has no right to be called a Liverpool fan.

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Boll0x. This is a football forum not a girls cheerleading society. We are supposed to voice our opinions not quote "in rafa we trust". If something is wrong we are supposed to give our views on what we think is wrong, not shut our eyes and shout loudly in the vain hope it will go away.

If a player plays bad I will say he has had a bad game, if the manager does something I don't like I will say so. That is what this forum is for, to exchange ideas and thoughts about our players and our club.

Funny how some people don't seem to support our captain and best player quite so vigorously?  Or maybe the rules only apply to players and managers that they like? You can't have it both ways you see

That is your idea of being a supporter not mine. So why should I or anyone else follow your idea and not their own. I believe we should all be free to speak our minds, and if we think someone elses point of view is wrong explain why, not try and shout them down because they don't reach your elevated level of support.

Who the f*ck gave you the right to tell other supporters how to support their club anyway. Its time you got off your high horse mate, accepted that others have views just as valid if different to yours and stopped trying to badger everyone into supporting the Lando view of life. If someone wants Rafa out thats their view if you don't like it.... tough. Get over it and try to explain that they are wrong.

We come on here to support the team, that doesn't mean we arn't allowed to mention problems it just means we support Liverpool even though they have problems.

Thats my idea of being a supporter , but feel free to believe what you will , thats my idea as well

[Lando_Griffin]

Boll0x. This is a football forum not a girls cheerleading society. We are supposed to voice our opinions not quote "in rafa we trust". If something is wrong we are supposed to give our views on what we think is wrong, not shut our eyes and shout loudly in the vain hope it will go away.

If a player plays bad I will say he has had a bad game, if the manager does something I don't like I will say so. That is what this forum is for, to exchange ideas and thoughts about our players and our club.

Funny how some people don't seem to support our captain and best player quite so vigorously?  Or maybe the rules only apply to players and managers that they like? You can't have it both ways you see

That is your idea of being a supporter not mine. So why should I or anyone else follow your idea and not their own. I believe we should all be free to speak our minds, and if we think someone elses point of view is wrong explain why, not try and shout them down because they don't reach your elevated level of support.

Who the f*ck gave you the right to tell other supporters how to support their club anyway. Its time you got off your high horse mate, accepted that others have views just as valid if different to yours and stopped trying to badger everyone into supporting the Lando view of life. If someone wants Rafa out thats their view if you don't like it.... tough. Get over it and try to explain that they are wrong.

We come on here to support the team, that doesn't mean we arn't allowed to mention problems it just means we support Liverpool even though they have problems.

Thats my idea of being a supporter , but feel free to believe what you will , thats my idea as well

You're really starting to act like a c*nt, you know?

You NEVER praise Rafa, even when he pulls a rabbit out of the hat. I have always given Gerrard the credit he deserves, even though I don't like the lad. I think he's a pr*ck who has no interest in anything other than himself. But I still say he played well, etc. It's not my fault you choose not to see that.

I never said you can't express an opinion - I was saying as supporters, "support" is what we do. Not bitch and scorn at every f*cking conceivable opportunity.

Now f*ck off and frig yourself off over that c*ntball Moris, you miserable tw*t. Your colours are well and truly nailed, laddo - right next to peewees. 

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Boll0x. This is a football forum not a girls cheerleading society. We are supposed to voice our opinions not quote "in rafa we trust". If something is wrong we are supposed to give our views on what we think is wrong, not shut our eyes and shout loudly in the vain hope it will go away.

If a player plays bad I will say he has had a bad game, if the manager does something I don't like I will say so. That is what this forum is for, to exchange ideas and thoughts about our players and our club.

Funny how some people don't seem to support our captain and best player quite so vigorously?  Or maybe the rules only apply to players and managers that they like? You can't have it both ways you see

That is your idea of being a supporter not mine. So why should I or anyone else follow your idea and not their own. I believe we should all be free to speak our minds, and if we think someone elses point of view is wrong explain why, not try and shout them down because they don't reach your elevated level of support.

Who the f*ck gave you the right to tell other supporters how to support their club anyway. Its time you got off your high horse mate, accepted that others have views just as valid if different to yours and stopped trying to badger everyone into supporting the Lando view of life. If someone wants Rafa out thats their view if you don't like it.... tough. Get over it and try to explain that they are wrong.

We come on here to support the team, that doesn't mean we arn't allowed to mention problems it just means we support Liverpool even though they have problems.

Thats my idea of being a supporter , but feel free to believe what you will , thats my idea as well

You're really starting to act like a c*nt, you know?

You NEVER praise Rafa, even when he pulls a rabbit out of the hat. I have always given Gerrard the credit he deserves, even though I don't like the lad. I think he's a pr*ck who has no interest in anything other than himself. But I still say he played well, etc. It's not my fault you choose not to see that.

Now f*ck off and frig yourself off over Moris, you mardy tw*t. Your colours are well and truly nailed, laddo - right next to peewees. 

grow up you soft sod and stop trying to act like a man and be one

[Lando_Griffin]

I take it that "being a man" means following the crowd and not standing up for what you believe in?

Because you can keep it if that's it.

I wonder how many of our ex-players were this gutless?

[Ciggy]

Lando Rafa will NOT be our manager next season, its time we start getting used to the idea.

[account deleted by request]

I take it that "being a man" means following the crowd and not standing up for what you believe in?

Because you can keep it if that's it.

I wonder how many of our ex-players were this gutless?

So being a man means that you insult anyone who disagrees with you. Heimdal may be a bit clueless but says what he thinks rather than "follows the crowd " so all he is doing is standing up for what he believes in.

Yet you say he's wrong as well? If you don't like people having different opinions and thoughts why come on a forum in the first place. Just use Wordand talk to yourself, then you will always get agreement.

[bigmick]

Lando you need to pull your head in before you make yourself a laughing stock. This constant referring to Shankly in attempt to hold up an argument which is shedding water by the second is a poor move. Why not just defend the manager and your opinions based on facts, rather than constantly trying to belittle people who disagree with you or previous managers?

Look at the facts of where we are in the League (and I know you don't consider it as important as other competitions). Look at how we are playing, where we are going, whether we are improving. Look at what you want, but this desire to scream louder and louder with each defeat just makes you look daft.

We all know you support Rafa, which is fine. Some of us though don't have quite the slavish devotion, now isn't that fine too?

As for following the crowd, feck me I've saying the same things for three and a half seasons now. It's hardly my fault that most of them are proving to be correct and I am absolutely certain that had I been as wrong as it appears you are, I would have taken it with a touch more grace.

[Lando_Griffin]

I take it that "being a man" means following the crowd and not standing up for what you believe in?

Because you can keep it if that's it.

I wonder how many of our ex-players were this gutless?

So being a man means that you insult anyone who disagrees with you. Heimdal may be a bit clueless but says what he thinks rather than "follows the crowd " so all he is doing is standing up for what he believes in.

Yet you say he's wrong as well? If you don't like people having different opinions and thoughts why come on a forum in the first place. Just use Wordand talk to yourself, then you will always get agreement.

Heimdall doesn't stand up for what he believes in - he posts drivel he believes will set him apart.

I don't for one minute think anyone is thick enough to want Sven or Pako as our boss.

And, for the record, I believe in insulting those I disagree with to highlight my disdain and disagreement.

Maybe you've lived a sheltered life, but that's how things are nowadays mate - changing rooms don't often hear the phrases "Bally hell, what, what - I thoroughly disagree with you there old chum".

[Lando_Griffin]

Lando you need to pull your head in before you make yourself a laughing stock. This constant referring to Shankly in attempt to hold up an argument which is shedding water by the second is a poor move. Why not just defend the manager and your opinions based on facts, rather than constantly trying to belittle people who disagree with you or previous managers?

I tell you what Mick - read it again and realise the p*ss-take, and I'll read the rest of your post.

Ok?

[bigmick]

Fair enough, I will

[Lando_Griffin]

What strikes me as odd is this notion that Rafa has already failed, despite the fact that he's still here.

It's a little premature, don't you feel?

[Ciggy]

1. I support Liverpool football club not the Rafa Benitez club.

2. Not the Steven Gerrard club for a captain he is bahaving like a fuckin idiot sell him in the summer if he is wanting out so much maybe our other players wont feel so intimidated by him, Lucas will do fine doing his job.
30 million would soften the blow.

3. These players at our club are they playing for LFC or Rafa Benitez FC? If they cant be feckin @rsed playing for the shirt and only joined us because of the manager or Gerrard they can feck off anall.

4. I want this all to end to stop right now I am sick to the back teeth of politics, Gillette and Hicks, and want to see some feckin football and us winning for a change.
And not going 2 goals down to Havant & Waterlooville.

5.Rafa will not be our manager next season who ever wants to leave with him fine, but whilst they are here and people are paying their hard earned cash to watch them and follow them, and pay for them they better start feckin performing and give something back whilst they are playing for Liverpool football club.
If they arnt up to the task and cannot be bothered doing this well they have no place and no right associating themselves with the club.

[Lando_Griffin]

Ah f*ck it - night all.

[bigmick]

Fair play, this particular reference to Shanks is tongue in cheek mate so I take that bit back (now you can read the reast of my post    ). But you did once compare Shankly's first couple of seasons to Rafa's when it's worth considering that we were in the old second division when the scot took over.

Whatever and wherever though, keep on sticking up for Rafa by all means but i do think when you start calling people like Saint a c... you are in danger of losing the plot a bit. He is hardly reactionary and is a well respected poster (he's not even saying rafa should definately go). All I'm saying is, reserve your ire for those that really deserve it (which probably includes me as I'm one of Rafa';s most persistent critics). Maybe for everyone ecxcept me then