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[Good Bob]

Your not EVER going to hear a player give sh!t about a manager while they are still playing football. Especially one who is highly regarded, which Houllier still is. JBG, I'm going to have to disagree with your statements on this one, I'm pretty sure that Carra is happy with those medals, but I guarentee you, he won't be content with them. We got a hungry lot at Anfield, and you'll eat your words soon enough mate.

Look at the date on the post.

[Fission]

Your not EVER going to hear a player give sh!t about a manager while they are still playing football. Especially one who is highly regarded, which Houllier still is. JBG, I'm going to have to disagree with your statements on this one, I'm pretty sure that Carra is happy with those medals, but I guarentee you, he won't be content with them. We got a hungry lot at Anfield, and you'll eat your words soon enough mate.

You do realise this thread was made 2 years ago?

[RedorDead]

A strange thing about Jamie Carragher is....... A lot of LFC fans rate him as the best Centre half around, or like a rock for LFC.

But in the England Set up , why is it he looks out of his depth?

Especially in a holding midfield role. He's never first choice.

The formation Ericsson played the other night...no way will that be in play for the world cup opener. I think Sven played Carra there fto get Gerrard forward more, but stevie is not a striker, and even he wasnt too impressive.

Not many outside of LFC rate Carra over Terry, Ferdinand and Campbell.

Firstly, for Liverpool he does his job and we all know why we love the lad. He's a legend.

He looks out of his depth because he is. He's not a world class player or even an international class player. For Liverpool he's in a team thats well drilled where he knows his job and the players around him and whats expected. He knows the system inside out so he can perform his duties alot better. With international games you need more than that. You need ability as an alround player as you will face different situations than you would at home for your club.

People always say, you take out the attacking side of Gerrard's game to accomadate the overated Lamplard you lose 50% of his game. Correct. What people don't realise is you play him in an attacking role and you lose the defensive side of his game which makes up the other 50%.

If anyone rates Carragher as a better player than Terry, Campbell or Ferdinand i'd question that persons ability to judge a players ability.

Bob i have just defended your comments on another thread but have to disagree here mate.
I will admit to one thing and one thing only and that is that in the last two years carragher has not been the best defender in the premiership as someone else posted. That honour has to go to John Terry without question. His drive and determination and will to win for Chelsea are equal to Carra's for us but i think he is better player all round, especially coming forward.
That said I do firmly believe that Jamie Carragher is a better and more accomplished defender than both Campbell and Ferdinand. I think Carra's timing in the tackle and his reading of the game defensively are far better than Ferdinands and he is far less liklely to make a mistake. Ferdinand has made a lot of blunders in the last season. Maybe it is down to attitude and they do possess the skill but him and Campbell are on an alarming downward slide and for me Carra and terry are the best two defenders in the country and would be my pick to start the World Cup for England all day long.

[Good Bob]

Exactly. Typical man in the pub with his mates thinking he knows best situation. You don't thats the end of it.

Rio Ferdinand is in terms of ability one of the world best centre halfs. Carragher doesn't have his arial ability, technical ability, ability to start attacks, ball retention, pace, general athletisism and pressence. Carragher is better in the tackle, one on one and concentration. But his ability to read a game and anticipate a cross, pass or shot isn't any better than Rio's.

I'm on about ability as a player, not form, not the system they play in and not the manager they play for.

Systems and tactics make players appear far greater than they actually are. Example... Carragher... Another? Lamplard. 2nd best player in the world? Please. I could name 70-80 players better than him and i hardly know alot about the foreign leagues. I'm not saying they are bad players, they are good players playing in great systems that get the best out of them, theres nothing wrong with that. That however, does not make someone an international player, NEVER has NEVER will.

[48-1119859832]

How can a player who is average technically, very good without being oustanding physically be counted as world class?

Where did I say Carragher was world class?

[dawson99]

carragher is consistent th, and that means a lot. who would u rather have at liverpool? rio or carra?
or for england?
carra isnt technically as good but he is more reliable and a better defender if u ask me

[JBG]

First of all, thanks Supersub for re-opening the thread.

I think its a hugely interesting thread as it illustrates that Carragher wasn't always the hero figure that he is now.

I think Carra famously said the previous season that his league cup medal made up for Liverpool not qualifying for the Champions League.

He was also played out of position at right back and had a poor season or two (by today's standards).

At the end of the 2004 Houllier dropped Henchoz for the last 5 or 6 games and played Carra at centre half. If I remember correctly, Carra's form immediately picked up.

Carra only came into his own when Benitez arrived, particularly towards the end of the 2004/05 season.

I'm a massive fan of Carra nowadays, but as my post from two years ago shows, that wasn't always the case, and I think a few people other than myself could eat humble pie as well.

[bigmick]

I never rated him at all whichever full-back berth he occupied. His improvement since he moved to centre-half has been nothing short of staggering. If there's humble pie being dished out it'd better be a big one 'cos I need an absolutely huge slice.

[supersub]

I actually think good bob is a total knob.In fact I would go as far to say he ranks as a world class knob and not just a fairly good tithead.

[dawson99]

I actually think good bob is a total knob.In fact I would go as far to say he ranks as a world class knob and not just a fairly good tithead.

now thats entertainment

[JBG]

In relation to Stu's points, I think Stu himself has made a flawed assessment of the players he quotes in comparison to Carra.

Ability isn't everything, in fact, attitude and character go a hell of a long way as well. Carra is not as talented a footballer as Ferdinand and he doesn't have the same athleticism as Campbell, but at present, for me at least, I'd have Carra ahead of Ferdinand and Campbell in my team. Terry, though, is a far superior player to all of them.

Football, suprisingly enough, isn't just about good footballers, its also about good teams. A good team doesn't necessarily have 11 world class footballers. A very good team can have its so-called water cariers as well. The Liverpool sides of the 1970s and 1980s had their brilliant footballers but they had their workers and team players too.

[supersub]

Well stu still has the audacity to claim Sami Hyypia is world class and Carragher is not even international class.JC has over the last 2 seasons been the saviour of Hyypia's career at Anfield,with a big help from Didi last year and Sissoko this term.

[7_Kewell]

I actually think good bob is a total knob.In fact I would go as far to say he ranks as a world class knob and not just a fairly good tithead.

 

[supersub]

In relation to Stu's points, I think Stu himself has made a flawed assessment of the players he quotes in comparison to Carra.

I'd have Carra ahead of Ferdinand and Campbell in my team. Terry, though, is a far superior player to all of them.

Football, suprisingly enough, isn't just about good footballers, its also about good teams. A good team doesn't necessarily have 11 world class footballers. A very good team can have its so-called water cariers as well. The Liverpool sides of the 1970s and 1980s had their brilliant footballers but they had their workers and team players too.

Good teams,top teams,champions,world champions have never had 11 world class players.

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

i suppose its boils down to whatever is the definition of a world class defender.
carragher isnt the quickest or the most cultured on the ball but when it comes down to keeping the ball out of your own teams net, carragher is world class at that in my book.