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[kartiek]

It seems like RAWK is gushing over Borini.

On the other hand, Roma fans are so unequivocally sad about letting Borini go. The Italian media feels the same. The fact that Roma fans rate him so highly, think that he'll be the future main Italian team striker, and that he was included for the Euros means that guy must have some talent.

We'll find out soon I guess.

I think Dempsey is going to be a great addition as well. No point in getting all pessimistic right now. We bought 20 million pound sh*t last summer while Newcastle bought cheap players from smaller teams. You can't just reject players because they're coming from lower teams and you can't reject the philosophy either. It's really down to how good the manager's eye for a player and the coaching staff is.

On another note, the criticisms of the FSG on here are amazingly ridiculous.

[Roger Red Hat]

there's some disrespectful, ungrateful and dam right rude people on here dissing the new manager of the team I support and love. you know who you all are...

[devaney]

there's some disrespectful, ungrateful and dam right rude people on here dissing the new manager of the team I support and love. you know who you all are...

Utterly clueless w.ankers mate who couldn't manage a sh.ag in a brothel! No doubt some of them will be proudly proclaiming that they have emailed our American owners with a diatribe of how they should be running LFC.

[stmichael]

the most impressive thing for me is that in rodgers eyes, you aren't a "tackler" or a "passer" or a "playmaker". you are a footballer first and foremost. if you are a good footballer then you're half way there under him. we have better player than swansea did so players such as henderson should thrive under this bloke imo.

[Roger Red Hat]

the most impressive thing for me is that in rodgers eyes, you aren't a "tackler" or a "passer" or a "playmaker". you are a footballer first and foremost. if you are a good footballer then you're half way there under him. we have better player than swansea did so players such as henderson should thrive under this bloke imo.

absolutely right that, he brings a new hope to this club, a managerial style that we haven't seen for a long time. If he can do what he did with Swansea in terms of playing style then with our slightly better players he should be able to do wonders here. I'm all for him having a free reign over this team and if he thinks a player is not suited or playing well enough then he has to be brutal. It's a fresh start for some of our team and some of those individuls won't have a better chance to make it than now with rodgers. exciting times ahead.

unfortunatly we seem to have a group of people on here that deep down would love to see him struggle. certain people are not behind Rodgers and will just post negatives and jump on his back first chance they get. I mean we know who they are and a difference of opinion is healthy on a forum but some of the stuff posted so far has been disrespectful and embarrassing.

Roll on the new season, new signings and new lease of life for this club. 

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

the most impressive thing for me is that in rodgers eyes, you aren't a "tackler" or a "passer" or a "playmaker". you are a footballer first and foremost. if you are a good footballer then you're half way there under him. we have better player than swansea did so players such as henderson should thrive under this bloke imo.

absolutely right that, he brings a new hope to this club, a managerial style that we haven't seen for a long time. If he can do what he did with Swansea in terms of playing style then with our slightly better players he should be able to do wonders here. I'm all for him having a free reign over this team and if he thinks a player is not suited or playing well enough then he has to be brutal. It's a fresh start for some of our team and some of those individuls won't have a better chance to make it than now with rodgers. exciting times ahead.

unfortunatly we seem to have a group of people on here that deep down would love to see him struggle. certain people are not behind Rodgers and will just post negatives and jump on his back first chance they get. I mean we know who they are and a difference of opinion is healthy on a forum but some of the stuff posted so far has been disrespectful and embarrassing.

Roll on the new season, new signings and new lease of life for this club. 

well sorry lad but put me in the `yet to be convinced` camp.
we saw under hodgson how a team can be weakened by shipping players out and bringing players in who arent good enough.
apart from an impressive performance in his opening press conference i`ve seen nothing in rodgers CV to suggest he`s the man to achieve the almost impossible (bridge the gap to the teams above us by spending less money than them)
yes he did well at swansea but he never achieved miracles, he took them up via the play off`s he never walked the division, infact that season it was QPR who walked the division with neil warnock as manager and norwich came second. rodgers improved them but not much, swansea finished just below the play off places the season before he took over when sousa was in charge and finished in a similar position under martinez. he never did a clough or a keegan and took over a team at the bottom of the division. he improved them 3 or 4 places, they were there or thereabouts anyway. even this much vaunted style of footy was already there at the club implemented by martinez.
before that he managed to finish 13th with watford after spending half the season in the relegation zone and then he went to reading where he was sacked because results were so poor. this isnt ancient history either, this all happened in the last 4 years.
i really really really f**king hope i`m wrong but i`ve got a funny feeling just because this fella looks the part and talks like bill shankly that people arent looking at the cold hard facts on paper, he has done f**k all in his career of note, now we may have signed a football visionary but i`ve been watching this game a long time and i know that they dont come around very often.
oh by the way i might be whinging now but i guarentee you that if everything does go pear shaped for him i`ll be one of the few on hear calling for him to have more time, once you appoint a manager you have got to give him at least 2 years, i went ballistic when we appointed hodgson but once he was here i thought that he should have had more time. you cant turn clubs around in 5 minutes, ferguson couldnt.

[maguskwt]

the most impressive thing for me is that in rodgers eyes, you aren't a "tackler" or a "passer" or a "playmaker". you are a footballer first and foremost. if you are a good footballer then you're half way there under him. we have better player than swansea did so players such as henderson should thrive under this bloke imo.

absolutely right that, he brings a new hope to this club, a managerial style that we haven't seen for a long time. If he can do what he did with Swansea in terms of playing style then with our slightly better players he should be able to do wonders here. I'm all for him having a free reign over this team and if he thinks a player is not suited or playing well enough then he has to be brutal. It's a fresh start for some of our team and some of those individuls won't have a better chance to make it than now with rodgers. exciting times ahead.

unfortunatly we seem to have a group of people on here that deep down would love to see him struggle. certain people are not behind Rodgers and will just post negatives and jump on his back first chance they get. I mean we know who they are and a difference of opinion is healthy on a forum but some of the stuff posted so far has been disrespectful and embarrassing.

Roll on the new season, new signings and new lease of life for this club. 

well sorry lad but put me in the `yet to be convinced` camp.
we saw under hodgson how a team can be weakened by shipping players out and bringing players in who arent good enough.
apart from an impressive performance in his opening press conference i`ve seen nothing in rodgers CV to suggest he`s the man to achieve the almost impossible (bridge the gap to the teams above us by spending less money than them)
yes he did well at swansea but he never achieved miracles, he took them up via the play off`s he never walked the division, infact that season it was QPR who walked the division with neil warnock as manager and norwich came second. rodgers improved them but not much, swansea finished just below the play off places the season before he took over when sousa was in charge and finished in a similar position under martinez. he never did a clough or a keegan and took over a team at the bottom of the division. he improved them 3 or 4 places, they were there or thereabouts anyway. even this much vaunted style of footy was already there at the club implemented by martinez.
before that he managed to finish 13th with watford after spending half the season in the relegation zone and then he went to reading where he was sacked because results were so poor. this isnt ancient history either, this all happened in the last 4 years.
i really really really f**king hope i`m wrong but i`ve got a funny feeling just because this fella looks the part and talks like bill shankly that people arent looking at the cold hard facts on paper, he has done f**k all in his career of note, now we may have signed a football visionary but i`ve been watching this game a long time and i know that they dont come around very often.
oh by the way i might be whinging now but i guarentee you that if everything does go pear shaped for him i`ll be one of the few on hear calling for him to have more time, once you appoint a manager you have got to give him at least 2 years, i went ballistic when we appointed hodgson but once he was here i thought that he should have had more time. you cant turn clubs around in 5 minutes, ferguson couldnt.

And you say this only now? And not when Rodgers signed? Might this have to do with Rodgers being willing to let Andy Carroll out on loan?

[damjan193]

Why isn't there a thread about Borini? Didn't he just pass his medical?

[JC_81]

well sorry lad but put me in the `yet to be convinced` camp.
we saw under hodgson how a team can be weakened by shipping players out and bringing players in who arent good enough.
apart from an impressive performance in his opening press conference i`ve seen nothing in rodgers CV to suggest he`s the man to achieve the almost impossible (bridge the gap to the teams above us by spending less money than them)
yes he did well at swansea but he never achieved miracles, he took them up via the play off`s he never walked the division, infact that season it was QPR who walked the division with neil warnock as manager and norwich came second. rodgers improved them but not much, swansea finished just below the play off places the season before he took over when sousa was in charge and finished in a similar position under martinez. he never did a clough or a keegan and took over a team at the bottom of the division. he improved them 3 or 4 places, they were there or thereabouts anyway. even this much vaunted style of footy was already there at the club implemented by martinez.
before that he managed to finish 13th with watford after spending half the season in the relegation zone and then he went to reading where he was sacked because results were so poor. this isnt ancient history either, this all happened in the last 4 years.
i really really really f**king hope i`m wrong but i`ve got a funny feeling just because this fella looks the part and talks like bill shankly that people arent looking at the cold hard facts on paper, he has done f**k all in his career of note, now we may have signed a football visionary but i`ve been watching this game a long time and i know that they dont come around very often.
oh by the way i might be whinging now but i guarentee you that if everything does go pear shaped for him i`ll be one of the few on hear calling for him to have more time, once you appoint a manager you have got to give him at least 2 years, i went ballistic when we appointed hodgson but once he was here i thought that he should have had more time. you cant turn clubs around in 5 minutes, ferguson couldnt.[/quote]

That's a pretty well balanced post mate.  It's fair what you say about Rodgers' record, it's not impeccable and Swansea were overhyped in my opinion last season.  After all if they were that good why did they finish below us when we were woefully inconsistent?  That said, he did manage to take Swansea to the next level and managed what Sousa and Martinez could not - ie get them promoted.  There were mistakes at Watford and Reading but hopefully that's all part of the learning curve.  There are very few managers with unblemished records, especially early in their careers.

Rodgers speaks well, but like you that doesn't impress me much.  This is a results business at the end of the day.  But I can't help thinking that things started to go pear shaped under Dalglish partly because he couldn't handle the media.  In the modern era it's almost essential to keep them onside, otherwise you invite more and more pressure onto yourself and, in time, the club.

His task is immense though.  Expectations from fans are still unrealistically high, we're coming off a poor league campaign where we finished 8th, our talismanic captain is arguably slightly past his best, we've been out of the Champions league for several seasons, other big clubs feel confident in taking our best players and we have zero continuity in terms of management and style of play over recent seasons.  Plus due to really poor decisions on recruitment under Dalglish/Commoli, FSG are tightening the purse strings.

The situation is fairly dire, but not impossible.  Spurs and Newcastle have built excellent teams with relatively small budgets, while Everton under Moyes constantly punch above their weight.  But managers at those clubs don't have the pressure Rodgers will have and that makes it ten times more difficult.  What we absolutely must do is give him time.  Our succession of managers being sacked has seen us go 6th, 7th, 8th.  I think a challenge for 4th is best we can hope for this season, but if we don't achieve it we absolutely must stick with Rodgers as we are crying out for continuity at this club.

There are quality players to be had this summer, trouble is we don't seem to be signing them!  Newcastle are about to sign Debuchy, Spurs are going to tie up Adebayor, Hoillett is in talks over in Germany, Galatassaraay just signed Altintopp, Chelsea got Marin, United got Kagawa, Arsenal signed Podolski and none of these guys cost big big money.  We've been really really quiet and it seems like the money just isn't there.  Rodgers will struggle to close the gap without funds, but perhaps smartly a lack of signings this summer might buy him time in the long run.  Managers live or die by their signings.  If he doesn't spend it, he can't waste it and fans and the media won't be on his back as much, giving him time to bed in his style of play.  It might be a blessing in disguise this lack of transfer activity this summer.

[Reg]

There seems to be confusion between 'Football Manager 2012' tactics and the recently released 'Reality 2012' tactics.

In 'Reality 2012', participants have a broader aspect to consider like balancing club cashflow, interest payments, wages against endless patience to see whether fragile confidence prima donnas bear fruit. Experts can gain extra points by opting for the 'we need to build a new stadium' function as well that has many unseen consequences both on and off the field.

'Reality 2012' encourages people to admit money could be recouped and better spent elsewhere, it also allows people to draw parallels to their own personal life when an expensive girlfriend is not necessarily any better than two cheaper ones and expectations of scoring are likely higher.

'Reality 2012' has a 'Recession 2012' diminishing returns feature that disillusions younger participants as they watch the value of failed purchases decline faster than they can offload them - this feature encourages you to get rid rather than hold on to them in vain hope of a miracle as your first loss is usually the smallest.   Once this feature is understood, folks realise that taking a reduced fee to cap loses and reduce the wage bill, proceeds can be successfully reinvested in suitably discounted players and wages thus recooping some of the loss and maintaining playing standards on the pitch. This feature has caused confusion compared to the 'Football Manager 2011' version however FIFA accept there will always be a portion of people who are naturally stupid. FIFA are also pleased to advise that the bribery and agent related bung options for managers still exist as per earlier versions.

First shipmenst of Reality 2012 hit the shops tomorrow, FIFA expect a slow offtake due to the added complexity.

[mart]

There are quality players to be had this summer, trouble is we don't seem to be signing them!  Newcastle are about to sign Debuchy, Spurs are going to tie up Adebayor, Hoillett is in talks over in Germany, Galatassaraay just signed Altintopp, Chelsea got Marin, United got Kagawa, Arsenal signed Podolski and none of these guys cost big big money.  We've been really really quiet and it seems like the money just isn't there. 

The money is there, but are the players interested? I think FSG will wait a bit and see how B-rod is doing before they spend a large amount of cash. They are taking a huge gamble on a manager with very little experience.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

And you say this only now? And not when Rodgers signed? Might this have to do with Rodgers being willing to let Andy Carroll out on loan?

erm, go and have a read of the threads from back then, i was staunchly in the bring back rafa camp, i couldnt believe it when we were linked with the likes of martinez, rodgers and lambert and said so at the time. i argued that this isnt a job for a managerial novice. admittedly his first press conference won me over but since then i havent been impressed with the players we`ve been linked with or him deciding to dump carroll when he hasnt even seen the lad in training.
being linked with someone who`s obviously coming here to sell shirts in the states (and to probably make a great ending to the film they are making) hasnt exactly got me over the moon either.
i dont claim to know all the answers mate, rodgers could come here and it works out, he doesnt have to do a great deal to improve us because we have still got some good players at the club who are capable of playing great footy like they did under kenny at times and i do think we were on the end of some freakish results last year. if reina stops gifting the opposition points we`ll be 10-15 points better off for a start.
but improving us and competing with the likes of city, chelsea and united is a different matter altogether.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Management by text message.   

Has BR met Suarez yet?  From what I read, no he hasn't.

Yet he's gushed about the lad like a teenage tart at her first disco.

Hmmmm......

The Uruguayan National team were training at Melwood prior to the Olympics ,so I'm just surmising they engaged in conversation .

[Benny The Noon]

They didn't train at Melwood mate - they trained at Liverpool FC in Uruguay

[Reg]

Management by text message.   

Has BR met Suarez yet?  From what I read, no he hasn't.

Yet he's gushed about the lad like a teenage tart at her first disco.

Hmmmm......

The Uruguayan National team were training at Melwood prior to the Olympics ,so I'm just surmising they engaged in conversation .

I'm telling you mate, they haven't met. What kind of man management is that ffs?