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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 19, 2012 4:23 pm

tubby » Sat May 19, 2012 3:15 pm wrote:I think people are reading into these comments too much. Had Kenny won the FA Cup maybe it would have been a different matter but come on the carling cup is 1 step up from the tango cup. FSG want us to get back in the CL and that means 4th place. TBH If we had gotten the FA Cup it would have just been papering over the cracks. We have been Sh*t this season and deserve where we finished.


2 years ago mate this club was in hock to the banks and a day away from going under, 18 months ago the place was in uproar and 4 points off the relegation zone at christmas. when he was appointed dalglish was our 3rd manager in 6 months.
to get to the final of both domestic cup competitions in a season and finish 8th isnt the greatest season in the world but it`s not the worst considering whats happened over the last 2 years.
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Postby LFC2007 » Sat May 19, 2012 4:24 pm

The message is to do both, but to prioritise the league because without progress in the league, it's much harder to sustain success and also much harder to win the bigger trophies. When has a team ever gone from finishing outside of the top four in one season to winning the league in the next? Never, in the Premier League era at least. That underlines the importance of progressing in the league and finishing in the top four especially.
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Postby tubby » Sat May 19, 2012 4:27 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 19, 2012 3:23 pm wrote:
tubby » Sat May 19, 2012 3:15 pm wrote:I think people are reading into these comments too much. Had Kenny won the FA Cup maybe it would have been a different matter but come on the carling cup is 1 step up from the tango cup. FSG want us to get back in the CL and that means 4th place. TBH If we had gotten the FA Cup it would have just been papering over the cracks. We have been Sh*t this season and deserve where we finished.


2 years ago mate this club was in hock to the banks and a day away from going under, 18 months ago the place was in uproar and 4 points off the relegation zone at christmas. when he was appointed dalglish was our 3rd manager in 6 months.
to get to the final of both domestic cup competitions in a season and finish 8th isnt the greatest season in the world but it`s not the worst considering whats happened over the last 2 years.


I agree in contrast with last season it's not that bad. And if we had not spent any money since last year then it would be a good finish. But we spent over 100Mil mate. A lot of that went to Newcastle and they finished above us ffs.

Bottom line is they need to get the manager and signings right this summer.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 19, 2012 4:41 pm

tubby » Sat May 19, 2012 3:27 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 19, 2012 3:23 pm wrote:
tubby » Sat May 19, 2012 3:15 pm wrote:I think people are reading into these comments too much. Had Kenny won the FA Cup maybe it would have been a different matter but come on the carling cup is 1 step up from the tango cup. FSG want us to get back in the CL and that means 4th place. TBH If we had gotten the FA Cup it would have just been papering over the cracks. We have been Sh*t this season and deserve where we finished.


2 years ago mate this club was in hock to the banks and a day away from going under, 18 months ago the place was in uproar and 4 points off the relegation zone at christmas. when he was appointed dalglish was our 3rd manager in 6 months.
to get to the final of both domestic cup competitions in a season and finish 8th isnt the greatest season in the world but it`s not the worst considering whats happened over the last 2 years.


I agree in contrast with last season it's not that bad. And if we had not spent any money since last year then it would be a good finish. But we spent over 100Mil mate. A lot of that went to Newcastle and they finished above us ffs.

Bottom line is they need to get the manager and signings right this summer.


part of that 100m had to plug the gap left by our star striker, not an easy thing to do.
it`s a bit of a coincidence that kenny wanted to sign the likes of downing and henderson who topped all the stats for crosses etc as well.
who would have thought it, kenny wanted the 2 players that `happened` to fit the moneyball criteria perfectly. what a coincidence
the club buys a 22 year old striker and a 21 year old midfielder and expects them to hit the ground running at a huge club straight away?
if the club is going to be that short termist you`d have to be off your barnet as a manager to buy a young player, if he takes time to settle you wont be the one to benefit when he comes good.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat May 19, 2012 4:47 pm

7_Kewell » Sat May 19, 2012 10:30 am wrote:
Benny The Noon » Sat May 19, 2012 10:25 am wrote:It's great how people continue to keep sticking the knife in to ensure everyone knows they wanted Kenny gone.

We all know - you have all been saying it for the last 6 months

Enjoy the glow of satisfaction

It’s not about sticking the knife into Kenny; it's about backing the owners.
The fact some moronic posters are now labelling them as “cowards” is laughable.


Moronic ? Now there you go again wandering down the personal insult route ,a route I must profess to being infinitely more equipped to trot .
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Postby dawson99 » Sat May 19, 2012 5:04 pm

This site again is getting a bit silly. Of course everyone wanted KK to do well and to get more time. but why give someone longer when they dont trust them with the money. they did the right thing, give themselves as long as possible to get someone in on a long term deal, give them money and let them do it there way Yes it was cut throat but football isnt the same as it used to be, and we need to be ready to see that
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat May 19, 2012 5:10 pm

andy_g » Sat May 19, 2012 11:49 am wrote:from ayre's statment"

“The Carling Cup and The FA Cup don’t generate the revenue and the success that is needed to keep investing. If you want to be successful, you have got to keep investing. People don’t want to hear that football is a business. They want to see us put lots of money into the football team and win lots of trophies and games.

But you have got to have both. You have got to have continued progress in the league. If you don’t do well in the league and you don’t get into the Champions League, you are writing cheques from your own pocket, aren’t you? That is not a sustainable way going forward."

correct me if i'm missing something glaringly amiss here, but isn't he suggesting that cup success needs to happen alongside better league performance? alongside getting into the CL places? he's correct in saying that the cups don't generate as much revenue, and we need more revenue to compete. this football club will never turn its back on the romance and glory of the cups as the fans would just not allow it. but we have to be realistic and make sure that we don't fall even further behind where the real modern action is. this club was always as much about its european standing as it was about its domestic records and we don't want to lose that.

i think ayre and the owners are pragmatic enough to understand that. we all suspected they would be ruthless if it looked like we might underachieve and we were right. lets give them at least another season, as we would have done for kenny, to see if they get it right.


I understand your concern that people are jumping to conclusions Andy ,but its not that section of Ayres sound bite that  fans are taking umbrage over
Its this snippet that leaves us most disconcerted .

Ayre revealed not even winning the FA Cup would have saved the Anfield legend as the club’s lowly eighth-placed finish in the Premier League ultimately made terminating his contract “a very simple decision” by FSG, who had targeted Champions League qualification.


It was revenue streams which ultimately proved Dalglish’s undoing. Despite winning the Carling Cup and reaching the FA Cup final, the Reds’ failure to finish in the top four in the Premier League meant the club missed out on a potential windfall of around £40million from Champions League qualification.

“Winning the FA Cup wouldn’t have made any difference – it was never about an individual result. It was always about taking a review of the season in full

Winning the FA cup would have made a massive difference ,because it would have been far less plausible a decision in ridding the club of a Legend .
I'm guessing people, posters ,and fans will eventually see through the red mist that has descended following Dalglish's sacking ,and maybe see this
statement in a different light ,but until such time when our nerves are less frayed at the prospect of becoming just another run of the mill participant
in a race which is becoming all the more geared towards the favourites ,then we will just have to wait for the disappointment of this decision to subside .
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Postby 7_Kewell » Sat May 19, 2012 5:17 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat May 19, 2012 3:47 pm wrote:
7_Kewell » Sat May 19, 2012 10:30 am wrote:
Benny The Noon » Sat May 19, 2012 10:25 am wrote:It's great how people continue to keep sticking the knife in to ensure everyone knows they wanted Kenny gone.

We all know - you have all been saying it for the last 6 months

Enjoy the glow of satisfaction

It’s not about sticking the knife into Kenny; it's about backing the owners.
The fact some moronic posters are now labelling them as “cowards” is laughable.


Moronic ? Now there you go again wandering down the personal insult route ,a route I must profess to being infinitely more equipped to trot .
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Im sure John Henry is still reeling from your onslaught of twitter abuse...
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Postby maguskwt » Sat May 19, 2012 5:17 pm

Kenny got sacked and all of a sudden the owners are mishandling the football club...  :Oo:

season just finished... the owners had a goal and this goal wasn't achieved. Give them a bit of time to get the right manager and DOF in. We have plenty of time...
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat May 19, 2012 5:24 pm

7_Kewell » Sat May 19, 2012 4:17 pm wrote:Im sure John Henry is still reeling from your onslaught of twitter abuse...


People must get in your cab whistling then after 5 minutes theyre looking for a fucking rope ....  :laugh:
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Postby 7_Kewell » Sat May 19, 2012 5:32 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat May 19, 2012 4:24 pm wrote:
7_Kewell » Sat May 19, 2012 4:17 pm wrote:Im sure John Henry is still reeling from your onslaught of twitter abuse...


People must get in your cab whistling then after 5 minutes theyre looking for a fucking rope ....  :laugh:


"they're"
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat May 19, 2012 5:40 pm

7_Kewell » Sat May 19, 2012 4:32 pm wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat May 19, 2012 4:24 pm wrote:
7_Kewell » Sat May 19, 2012 4:17 pm wrote:Im sure John Henry is still reeling from your onslaught of twitter abuse...


People must get in your cab whistling then after 5 minutes theyre looking for a fucking rope ....  :laugh:


"they're"


Amazingly quick witted for a Cab driver/comma nerd .  :laugh:
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Postby metalhead » Sat May 19, 2012 5:41 pm

dawson99 » Sat May 19, 2012 4:04 pm wrote:This site again is getting a bit silly. Of course everyone wanted KK to do well and to get more time. but why give someone longer when they dont trust them with the money. they did the right thing, give themselves as long as possible to get someone in on a long term deal, give them money and let them do it there way Yes it was cut throat but football isnt the same as it used to be, and we need to be ready to see that


That's thing, they will do it ''their way'' now, but they have to make sure whoever comes in is the right person for the job or they will get a huge backlash from the fans if things go kaput
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Postby dawson99 » Sat May 19, 2012 5:45 pm

metalhead » Sat May 19, 2012 4:41 pm wrote:
dawson99 » Sat May 19, 2012 4:04 pm wrote:This site again is getting a bit silly. Of course everyone wanted KK to do well and to get more time. but why give someone longer when they dont trust them with the money. they did the right thing, give themselves as long as possible to get someone in on a long term deal, give them money and let them do it there way Yes it was cut throat but football isnt the same as it used to be, and we need to be ready to see that


That's thing, they will do it ''their way'' now, but they have to make sure whoever comes in is the right person for the job or they will get a huge backlash from the fans if things go kaput


Yeah, bu they seem to know what they want, a 5 year plan, a young vibrant manager, so let them. Kenny couldnt do it in the league. We need change, its blatantly obvious. Now people are screaming each other as either lovers or haters of KK, same as with Rafa. EVERY liverpool fan loves KK, but it just didn't work. In the league we have become a joke, and I dont want to be a joke in the league.
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Postby metalhead » Sat May 19, 2012 5:45 pm

maguskwt » Sat May 19, 2012 4:17 pm wrote:Kenny got sacked and all of a sudden the owners are mishandling the football club...  :Oo:

season just finished... the owners had a goal and this goal wasn't achieved. Give them a bit of time to get the right manager and DOF in. We have plenty of time...


What if next season we don't get 4th place? will they  sack the manager and DOF? will we have to start from scratch every single season until we get 4th? that's worry in every Liverpool fan's mind.

If FSG care about the success of their club they will have to give whoever comes in huge backing in the transfer market and most importantly time to get it right, even if we did poorly next season. Tony Evans from the times said in January that Kenny Dalglish did not recieve any transfer funds to strengthen his team and he was right back then that Kenny wouldn't stay long because of that.

Let's hope whoever comes in, be it Rafa, Martinez, AVB, etc... is given 2 or 3 years to build a team capable of challenging for a CL spot
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