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Postby stmichael » Mon May 16, 2005 12:44 pm

stapo1000 wrote:Technically gerrard is a better player than gerrard.

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Postby desperado0831 » Mon May 16, 2005 12:45 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:Gerrard is not even close to being a player that Lampard is. Sorry!

No doubt Gerrard is a great player ... and personally i do like him a lot ... but im sorry if you have to compare Lampard is a much much more complete player than Gerrard.

Guess what? Lampard is a complete player than Gerrard? Joke man. Be honest,as u might think that lampard is a complete player than Gerrard because he can score more goals to rescue chelsea indeed when chelsea was nobody there to up front to score a goal but our captain is more complete than yours although he always limp off the field but he is a superb midfield in this world and he can spark off lampard with his tackles,defiant,SHOTs(look how he score against olym and spurs),mentality and his passion. He's a pure world class act for us at least he has a descipline life figure compare with the lampard or joe cole unfashionable night life. Weird!  :rasp
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Postby MilitiaRusher » Mon May 16, 2005 1:02 pm

Just count the amount of deflected goals Lampard has scored this season? Its embarassing. Without these deflections, his shots would have been wide off the target. That said, there are players around him in Makalele, Robben, Cole, Duff which makes him a 'world-class' midfielder. For me, he is simply a standard Premiership midfielder like Jamie Redknapp with the extra drive to take a shot whenever possible.
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Postby Chelsea forever. » Mon May 16, 2005 1:26 pm

Man you people!

I posted here to congratulate you on your CL success and on your wonderful Manager and players - not to start a Lampard|Gerrard debate!
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Postby MSj. » Mon May 16, 2005 6:46 pm

:D  yeah mate everyone just agree to disagree ....Thanks for your comments not many people make the effort to do so .

As for Chelsea ,you have to respect what they have done in the past year ,although many people moan about the money they have spent I think the main reason they have done so well is because of the manager they have , his organisation and tactics have been mainly excellent.

The money he has spent has not been on massive stars because in the main these players go to clubs like Real Madrid or Milan etc ,maybe in the future Chelsea will then be able to buy top notch .

I think next season will be a big test for them and I dont think they will win the league .

Good luck but not too much  :rasp
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Postby red_guy » Tue May 17, 2005 8:05 am

Chelsea Forever...thanks for your comments. :)
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Tue May 17, 2005 8:42 am

Chelsea forever. wrote:As a chelsea supported I will always say Frank is better and will have my thoughts to back it up ... as will you say Gerrard is better and have your thoughts to back it up.

But even as a netural I would say Frank is a more complete player than Gerrard. Gerrard hits hopeful long balls ... which come off sometimes and dont sometimes -- its all based on luck. Many this season have called frank the best player in the world in his position. He has the drive .. he can take on defenders ... he is faster than gerrard .. he has the vision for that killer pass - (which gerrard also has but 50% of his passes are hit and hope) - lamps always scores more goals and contributes to the team.

To say Gerrard is a more gifted player than Kean, Lampard and Viera is just bollox. Kean is one of the best and i dont think its easy to get the gift that he has. Viera is a sly :censored: and i dont care if you even say that Redknapp is better than him!

Dont be so baised to SG just because he plays for Pool .. if rumours are true then you wont be saying the same thing next season if he plays for us.

But honestly ... Lampard is a better player than Gerrard .. even if its just slightly better .. he is better.

Im yet to see SG have a good CONSISTENT season.

Anyone who knows anything about football will tell you Gerrard is a much more complete footballer in fact it is common knowledge.

Just coz fat franky has one good season he is the best midfielder,(please do me a favour)

If Gerrard played for Chelski when Maureen had come along and fat franky was at another club.
Would Maureen be as desperate to sign fat franky?

Ps Gerrard aint gonna sign for the Chelski scum
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Tue May 17, 2005 8:44 am

You know nothing
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Postby bigmick » Tue May 17, 2005 10:10 am

Lampard is probably the best attacking midfield player in World football at the moment in my opinion. Goalscoring midfielders are worth their wieght in gold in modern day football and fat Frank is the best there is, anywhere. It doesn't fill me with joy to point this out but in the interests of sensibility it has to be done. He topped the annual poll amongst the Real fans for which player in World football they would most like to sign, he is a super player at what he does.
Gerrard has at best stagnated over the last couple of seasons, probably due to the constant speculation over his future. He has IMHO fallen into that unknown zone as far as his best position is concerned. Is he a holding midfielder like Vierra, breaking up attacks and occasionally powering forward? (yes in my view). Is he a ball-winning, snarling up-and-at-em fighter like a young Keanne? (not for me). Is he a goalscoring, box to box midfielder like Lampard? (possibly could become one, but until he scores with the same monotonous regularity as fat Frank, you'd have to say the obese one has the edge.
Stevie has the more raw natural talent for sure. He has the potential to become the best midfielder OVERALL in the world. These next couple of seasons though are huge for him in my view. Will he become just a regular International and top Premiership player as he is now, or is there something else, another gear whereby when England play Italy, they spend half the team-talk discussing how they're going to deal with Gerrard? Time will tell all.
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Postby Rafalution » Tue May 17, 2005 11:07 am

Just thought I'd throw in my tuppence on the Lampard/Gerrard debate and point out that in Xabi Alonso we have a player who will probably eclipse both Lampard and Gerrard in terms of being the best midfielder in the world over the next few years.
In terms of raw ability he eclipses both those players and while he may not have the scoring ability of Lampard or the drive of Gerrard, he would be the first name on my teamsheet every week as he has consistency, vision, maturity, can outpass both Gerrard and Lampard and in my opinion the guy is simply going to get better and better over the coming years.
Gerrard and Lampard will always be compared simply because they are both English players, but IMO they are both behind Alonso in terms of ability.
I'm just glad that we have both Alonso and Gerrard as I think that those two will compliment each other superbly next season and easily have it in them to be the best midfield partnership in the world. With those two firing on all cylinders and a couple of quality additions to the squad I think we will soon close the gap on the clubs above us.
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Postby LFC #1 » Tue May 17, 2005 2:47 pm

stmichael wrote:
stapo1000 wrote:Technically gerrard is a better player than gerrard.

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I feel a poll coming on.
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Postby Scottbot » Tue May 17, 2005 3:49 pm

bigmick wrote:Lampard is probably the best attacking midfield player in World football at the moment in my opinion. Goalscoring midfielders are worth their wieght in gold in modern day football and fat Frank is the best there is, anywhere. It doesn't fill me with joy to point this out but in the interests of sensibility it has to be done. He topped the annual poll amongst the Real fans for which player in World football they would most like to sign, he is a super player at what he does.
Gerrard has at best stagnated over the last couple of seasons, probably due to the constant speculation over his future.

He has IMHO fallen into that unknown zone as far as his best position is concerned. Is he a holding midfielder like Vierra, breaking up attacks and occasionally powering forward? (yes in my view). Is he a ball-winning, snarling up-and-at-em fighter like a young Keanne? (not for me). Is he a goalscoring, box to box midfielder like Lampard? (possibly could become one, but until he scores with the same monotonous regularity as fat Frank, you'd have to say the obese one has the edge.
Stevie has the more raw natural talent for sure. He has the potential to become the best midfielder OVERALL in the world. These next couple of seasons though are huge for him in my view. Will he become just a regular International and top Premiership player as he is now, or is there something else, another gear whereby when England play Italy, they spend half the team-talk discussing how they're going to deal with Gerrard? Time will tell all.

Talking some sense here Mick.

It's difficult to compare these two players. Gerrard is capable of the spectacular - The killer pass that no-one else could see, 40 yard volleys into the top corner, the surging run past 5 defenders, the bone-crunching tackle that that raises the crowd and turns a game, the last minute free-kick to win the gam.

Lampard is different. He can do some of this stuff but is not equiped to reach the same heights as a Gerrard doing everything to his potential. Lampard does a lot of things very well - He's a good passer of the ball, has good vision, good in the tackle, good in the air, has leadership qualities and descision making skills. Add all this to world-class finishing ability and the best engine in English football (probably world football) and you have a fantastic player.

How do you judge who is best? What criteria do you use?

Gerrard is the better athlete and can do things that Lampard could only dream of but does that make him the better player? Our captain hasn't got anywhere near Lampard's level over the course of this season. So if form/consistency is your measuring stick then Lampard is the better player.

For me - I personally believe Gerrard is the better player but we have to be talking about last seasons version. The lad was simply awesome amd we were literally a one man team at times and i believe he would have been a worthy winner for player of the year.

Hopefully we can get 2003/04 Stevie back next season.
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Postby taff » Tue May 17, 2005 5:40 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:As a chelsea supported I will always say Frank is better and will have my thoughts to back it up ... as will you say Gerrard is better and have your thoughts to back it up.

But even as a netural I would say Frank is a more complete player than Gerrard. Gerrard hits hopeful long balls ... which come off sometimes and dont sometimes -- its all based on luck. Many this season have called frank the best player in the world in his position. He has the drive .. he can take on defenders ... he is faster than gerrard .. he has the vision for that killer pass - (which gerrard also has but 50% of his passes are hit and hope) - lamps always scores more goals and contributes to the team.

To say Gerrard is a more gifted player than Kean, Lampard and Viera is just bollox. Kean is one of the best and i dont think its easy to get the gift that he has. Viera is a sly :censored: and i dont care if you even say that Redknapp is better than him!

Dont be so baised to SG just because he plays for Pool .. if rumours are true then you wont be saying the same thing next season if he plays for us.

But honestly ... Lampard is a better player than Gerrard .. even if its just slightly better .. he is better.

Im yet to see SG have a good CONSISTENT season.

I kind of agree. But I think Mourhinho has helped him and Joe Cole a lot this season, Terry was always up there.

I think SG has shown that he is the best around but not often enough. Kean IMO showed him who the daddy was at Anfield but with some stability and faith in RB now that he has proven himself, SG could be the best midfielder around. 

Now even though your Chelsea and Lampard has been the man this season, you have to admit that SG firing on all cylinders is a scary thought for the opposition

Oh yeah weve got Alonso as well.  If only Makelele could pass eh :rasp
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