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[Kharhaz]

I haven't seen much evidence that would support that statement.

One that comes immediately to mind is your post to Heimdall "don't ever quote one of my posts again c.unt".

No doubt if I could be bothered I could supply many more

Ashamed as I am, that particular post did make me laugh !

[LFC2007]

I haven't seen much evidence that would support that statement.

One that comes immediately to mind is your post to Heimdall "don't ever quote one of my posts again c.unt".

No doubt if I could be bothered I could supply many more

That was unrelated to football chat (I was not castigating him for his footballing opinions - THE POINT) - he quoted me in an attempt to wind me up, but if that's your point. I'll equally take your comments out of context:

"Grow up you thick tw@t"

"You're a kunt"

I'm sure I could supply many more.

[account deleted by request]

I haven't seen much evidence that would support that statement.

One that comes immediately to mind is your post to Heimdall "don't ever quote one of my posts again c.unt".

No doubt if I could be bothered I could supply many more

That was unrelated to football chat (I was not castigating him for his footballing opinions - THE POINT) - he quoted me in an attempt to wind me up, but if that's your point. I'll equally take your comments out of context:

"Grow up you thick tw@t"

"You're a kunt"

I'm sure I could supply many more.

But then again I didn't say this :-

I haven't seen much evidence that would support that statement.

While having posted "don't ever quote one of my posts again c.unt"

[Lando_Griffin]

Goyt.

[account deleted by request]

Goyt.

[LFC2007]

I haven't seen much evidence that would support that statement.

One that comes immediately to mind is your post to Heimdall "don't ever quote one of my posts again c.unt".

No doubt if I could be bothered I could supply many more

That was unrelated to football chat (I was not castigating him for his footballing opinions - THE POINT) - he quoted me in an attempt to wind me up, but if that's your point. I'll equally take your comments out of context:

"Grow up you thick tw@t"

"You're a kunt"

I'm sure I could supply many more.

But then again I didn't say this :-

I haven't seen much evidence that would support that statement.

While having posted "don't ever quote one of my posts again c.unt"

That statement didn't concern football, it was in response to Heimdall being a bit of a WUM. Hence why it isn't relevant, given that the subject in discussion is 'happy clappers' and 'D&Gers' - terms used to describe two perceived groups polarised on footballing matters.

There's a clear difference between abuse/unreasonable comments which some of those you cited have used (e.g. 'Rafa's an idiot'..'a clown'...'greedy'...'only here for the money'....'I wouldn't p!ss on him if he were on fire'....etc.) and saying Rafa got it wrong, a statement that the perceived 'rose tinted' brigade will quite happily assert, just not in the self serving and condescending manner which the D&G'ers are renowned for.

That's what I posted, I'm clearly referring to the assertion that 'Rafa got it wrong' when I say 'just not in the self serving and condescending manner.....'

Footballing matters, not a one off comment I made to Heimdall in response to his WUM antics.

[account deleted by request]

Do I really need to find one of Lando's posts? 

[LFC2007]

I should have put 'other than Lando' 

[Lando_Griffin]

Are you boys finished yet?

I have feeling too, you know. I'm not just a sex object.

[bigmick]

The "problem" if there is one with the Rafa supporters getting a bit tetchy and the Rafa doubters being condescending is probably brought on by the way the season has gone. Had we ripped it up this season whilst employing "Rafa style" I'm fairly sure the roles would have been reversed. As it is, human nature dicatates that it's not always easy to accept that things haven't necessarily panned out the way you expected.

FWIW I actually think that under a fair amount of provocation sometimes, some of the people who came out fairly early against rotation and the Rafa methodology (and I most definately include myself in this) have done reasonably well in not always going down the "I told you so" route when under fire. One thing is absolutely certain and beyond dispute, had any of us "anti's" have come on earlier in the season and predicted we would have been as totally and absolutely out of the title race as we are now, out of the FA Cup and in a battle for fourth place with the likes of Aston Villa and Portsmouth we would have been slagged from pillar to post. I actually predicted (page 13 of the rotation thread) that we would be out of the title race "totally and absolutely" by Christmas if we continued to rotate in the style which we began the season, and picked up the usual flak for saying it. As it happens I was a couple of weeks ahead of my time, but probably not deserving of the ridicule which came at the time. More recently on the "I can't belive the lack of reaction on here" thread, a couple of posters let themselves down with one taking the opportunity to bring posters occupations into the equation which was a baffling development.

Fortunately in the main though, most people seem to be coming round to the idea that everyone is fully entitled to a point of view, even if it opposes their own. People who don't support Rafa in his rotational experiment are not necessarily fools. Those who do, the same. That's all it boils down to really, everyone has an opinion and they're entitled to it.

Those who support Rafa think that he should be given another season. If he is, my suspicion is that he'll have another go at the "Rafa style" (those who want to give him another season but hope he might change his methods are deluding themselves IMHO and I think even most of his most ardent supporters would probably agrere with that). If he does go for the rotation again, I think it'll fail. That said though, there is always the possibility it will succeed, anything is possible in football. There is aways the possibility it will eventually work, this is why the people who believe in such an eventuality are not gimps or morons. Having said that, neither are those of us who don't think it will either.

[The Manhattan Project]

Rafa will be vindicated when:

A- We win the European Cup, or at least get to the final.

B- Have fourth place sewn up fairly comfortably.

C- He gives some kind of assurances that we can sustain a lengthier challenge to the top three in the league for next season.


With these interest payments we've got to meet, getting to the Champions League quarter finals, at least, EVERY year, seems to be required.

Unless of course DIC slides in again and the financial situation and ownership changes AGAIN!

[account deleted by request]

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I haven't seen much evidence that would support that statement.

One that comes immediately to mind is your post to Heimdall "don't ever quote one of my posts again c.unt".

No doubt if I could be bothered I could supply many more

That was unrelated to football chat (I was not castigating him for his footballing opinions - THE POINT) - he quoted me in an attempt to wind me up, but if that's your point. I'll equally take your comments out of context:

"Grow up you thick tw@t"

"You're a kunt"

I'm sure I could supply many more.

Btw in the interest of historical accuracy I actually said "grow up you soft sod ", and I dont think I have ever said "your a kunt" to anyone, although I have thought it a time or two. 


I have already conceeded I was wrong about rotation Bigmick ,but only if you include "formation madness" under the rotational banner Mick? I still think lack of motivation by mainly our foreign players has played a much bigger part however.

[account deleted by request]

Are you boys finished yet?

I have feeling too, you know. I'm not just a sex object.

Thats not what Ciggy, Shanks72 and Judge have told me   

[account deleted by request]

22.02.1991 Kenny Dalglish resigns as Liverpool manager

Ian Rush
Saturday February 23, 2008
The Guardian


We had just had this incredible game against Everton and drawn 4-4. We were ahead four times and Everton kept coming back, it was a fantastic game to watch. Kenny didn't show any signs that night but two days later he resigned.
I think it just happened that morning. We had all come in for training and were told to meet in the dressing room. Kenny walked in and said he was leaving. It was complete shock and surprise in there. He couldn't say too much but there were tears in his eye as he spoke.

He was a great man-manager. He used to take all the pressure off the players and heap it on himself. Looking back, you can see how it all built up inside him and he didn't tell anyone. It does take a toll when you manage a big club, and he had things to cope with that no one else had experienced - I think he went to every funeral after Hillsborough. But he's always been a very private man and I've never asked him why he did it.
It was a bit of a shock to the system for the players but you just get on with it. That's the nature of football. We were just sat in the dressing room in silence and Ronnie Moran said, 'OK let's go training now,' and we all got on the coach. All the lads were talking about it on the way and no one had a clue it was coming or why he'd done it.

It would have been great if he could have just taken a year out and then come back refreshed but it was obvious that wasn't going to happen. Ronnie Moran took the team for our next game, which we lost at Luton, but he made it clear he didn't want to be in charge. A few weeks later Alan Hansen told everyone he was going to get the job: he was only joking but a lot of people believed him. When Graeme Souness was appointed, I was delighted: I'd played with him and knew what he was like but I think, being Graeme, he just tried to change things too quickly.

People say it was an easy club to manage at the time but only if you've got the right players and only if they're performing. Kenny got it right. People put it down to coaching but I think man-management is as important as tactics. A lot of the foreign managers that are flooding the game, they know everything there is to know about tactics but without the man-management it doesn't get you anywhere.
           
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I am sure Rushie didn't really mean for these comments to be used against Rafa, but maybe they could be yet another reason for our poor league form this season. Does Rafa have the man management skills required for our league challenge or does he only have the tactics for CL success? I think he desperately needs an assistant preferably one with good experience of the prem, if we are ever going to mount a title challenge.

[maguskwt]

having 2 brigades is good... it makes the forum so much more interesting and dynamic while eventually evening things out... if all the posters were like saint and sitting on the fence then it'll be very boring (j/k) ... the american political system works like this... so who're the republicans and who are the democrats?