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[Benny The Noon]

You think KK was just good in his first spell ?!

He won 3 fecking titles in 5 years !!! That's outstanding

And then he took a team from the second division to the title in 3 years !!!

Do you really have a clue

No he does not

Yes, Kenny did not have a successful second spell but bad mouthing him you should be ashamed son, he has left and you feel the need to crucify our greatest ever player

No need for it mate you should be ashamed of yourself

ah now hang on a second, I never criticised him as a player did I? he was a brilliant player and a good manager back in the day.
But come on his second spell in charge was a complete disaster, IN TERMS OF THE LEAGUE, yes it was nice with the cup runs, incl the worthless cup win aganst mighty Cardiff, but it did not compensate for the cr@p signings and awful tactics.

He was better than good !! 3 titles in 5 years . Can you understand that

[shanks13]

Leaving that aside.... Assaidi looks like a decent prospect and I hope we keep doing business this way! Quiet, surprise even the ITK's and make solid signings.

[Raoul]

Sounds like a great deal at only 3 mill or do, but let's see how he looks. If he isn't good enough to play regularly in the first team, then is he just going to take game time from the likes of Sterling. If so, then it is probably a bad move, despite the low price and possible profit made selling him on.

Still, we are hardly blest with a plethora of wide men so am I worried about nothing?

Are you assuming that BR would do a Kenny and insist on playing his signing even if it obviously wasn't working, no my friend we have moved on into the professional era now where we have talented players, talented owners and above all else talented managers with well thought out tactics that won't allow for underperforming players.

I'm extremely excited by this signing and at £3 million even if he turn out obe ***** we can probably recoup most of that money, if not turn a good profit, so there is no downside at all.

Welcome to the club Ferrari.   

No, I'm asking whether his arrival will ultimately result in a very good young prospect missing out on critical game time, because an older player comes in who is currently his equal. I'm questioning whether he is good enough for the first team - because if he isn't, then he is competing with Sterling for time on the bench.

If it turns out that he is a more than useful squad player, challenging for regular game time, then he is a good buy. If it turns out that he is just a warm body on the bench, then I'd rather Sterling have that seat.

Everyone on here seems to be taking the (very defendable) viewpoint that there is no downside to this transfer. I'm asking if there actually is one. Obviously, like many of us, I've not got the first clue about how good this young man is, so time will tell...

[the lone wolf]

Sounds like a great deal at only 3 mill or do, but let's see how he looks. If he isn't good enough to play regularly in the first team, then is he just going to take game time from the likes of Sterling. If so, then it is probably a bad move, despite the low price and possible profit made selling him on.

Still, we are hardly blest with a plethora of wide men so am I worried about nothing?

Are you assuming that BR would do a Kenny and insist on playing his signing even if it obviously wasn't working, no my friend we have moved on into the professional era now where we have talented players, talented owners and above all else talented managers with well thought out tactics that won't allow for underperforming players.

I'm extremely excited by this signing and at £3 million even if he turn out obe ***** we can probably recoup most of that money, if not turn a good profit, so there is no downside at all.

Welcome to the club Ferrari.   

No, I'm asking whether his arrival will ultimately result in a very good young prospect missing out on critical game time, because an older player comes in who is currently his equal. I'm questioning whether he is good enough for the first team - because if he isn't, then he is competing with Sterling for time on the bench.

If it turns out that he is a more than useful squad player, challenging for regular game time, then he is a good buy. If it turns out that he is just a warm body on the bench, then I'd rather Sterling have that seat.

Everyone on here seems to be taking the (very defendable) viewpoint that there is no downside to this transfer. I'm asking if there actually is one. Obviously, like many of us, I've not got the first clue about how good this young man is, so time will tell...

Given Sterlings lack of experience, the place to start with him will be on the left - which reduces the 'clash' threat as our new SPORTS CAR can play either side... None the less - competition for places is what we have lacked since we finished 2nd in PL, which seems a life time ago!

[andy_g]

while we now have a pretty strong starting 11, our squad depth isn't that great. we don't have many players who can come off the bench and change the game. assaidi will considerably strengthen that bench, alongside the likes of sterling, shelvey and coates. football's a squad game these days and we need to build a strong one again. just for that reason alone, this signing is a very good one.

[LFC1990]

We have sufficient cover for most of our side

Reina/ Doni/Jone

Johnson/Flanagan/Kelly
Skrtel/ Kely
Agger/ Coates
Enrique/ ?

Lucas/Henderson
Gerrard/Shelvey
Allen/ Adam

Suarez/Assaidi
Borini/Carroll
Downing/ Sterling ??

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

heimdall » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:56 pm

Oh you misunderstand, it's not a sly dig. I don't rate Kenny as a great manager at all. He was good in his first spell when he took over a fantastic team and maintained the momentum but the wheels were already starting to come off even before he handed over the reigns to Souness. As for Blackburn they bought the league so that doesn't really count although he did ok I guess. At Newcastle and Celtic he was a joke. In his second spell with us he was not much better than Hodgson really in terms of the league, with predictable tactics and horrific signings. I for one was delighted to see the back of him and feel that we are finally starting to move forwards as a club again now with good owners and a fantastic young manager with fresh ideas and tactical nouse.

typical of someone who wasnt there at the time, when kenny dalglish took over the job we were the biggest pariahs in the history of international sport! no one would touch the liverpool job with a barge pole in the aftermath of heysel, how can you say it was an easy transition from fagan to dalglish? plus kenny never inherited the best side in the league, everton were the best side and they`d just proved it days earlier.
when we played in the european cup final at heysel everton had just won the league (and the cup winners cup beating the likes of bayern munich along the way)
kenny didnt inherited the league champions, he inherited a shattered club on it`s knee`s, the media storm surrounding the suarez affair from last season is about 0.01% of the media storm that surrounded this club post heysel.
re his other clubs he took blackburn from the bottom of the second division to the title in 2 years, money or no money that took some doing because united had a great team at that time, at newcastle he finished second in the league, took them to their first f.a cup final in a generation and even beat barcelona in the champions league.
rodgers has got swansea up via the play off`s, that`s all he has done so far in his career so dont start getting carried away calling him a managerial great yet.
he`s got a long way to go before he matches kenny`s trophy haul as a manager.

[sniffy98]

The players that KK bought to the club in his first reign were simply inspired. At the time he was a genius in most people's eyes despite having inherited a very good side. Aldo, the re-signing of Rushie, Beardsley, Barnes - the list is a long one. Also the football we played back then was absolutely beautiful AND successful. Just go watch a video of that famous Notts Forest drubbing to know what LFC pass and move was all about. It may come as a surprise to some but our rivals back then were not the Mancs but Arsenal and The Bitters. No Fergie it wasn't you that 'knocked us off the perch' but Graham's team that won the title twice and the tragic events of Hillsborough that derailed us. KK's success at Blackburn shouldn't be underestimated either. By the time he had gone to Newcastle, football had begun to change and the style of play he employed there wasnt

[sniffy98]

The greatest but he done a decent job anyway. This time around yes he wasted too much money and I think needed to go. But we should always be grateful for what the king done for our club. And despite the disappointment of last season, still put a trophy in the cabinet.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

your right about fergusons erroneous claim that he knocked us off our perch, we knocked ourselves of our perch, we werent even in the running when united won their first title for 26 years.
they were competing against the likes of villa (who finished runners up) and norwich (who finished 3rd) for the title, we finished a distant 6th that season.
infact we finished 6th the previous season too when leeds won the title and 8th the season after uniteds first title win, we werent in the mix at all.
listening to the old trafford hype machine you`d swear they literally knocked us down from first to second, they didnt have to, we did it to ourselves with results like 4-1 defeats at blackburn, 4-2 losses to villa and getting slammed 5-1 by frigging coventry.

[sniffy98]

Agree 100%. Also, we would have had a wonderful chance of another European Cup succes with that side..I can only think of the legendary Milan team of the time who (like Barca now) were the dominant force that would have been our main rival. I do think we were on a par, or close to, that Milan team. Our 1988 side was a truly wonderful mix. The opposition never used to even see the ball!! Wasnt there a match against the Spuds where big Jan never even ventured outside the centre circle?!

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Agree 100%. Also, we would have had a wonderful chance of another European Cup succes with that side..I can only think of the legendary Milan team of the time who (like Barca now) were the dominant force that would have been our main rival. I do think we were on a par, or close to, that Milan team. Our 1988 side was a truly wonderful mix. The opposition never used to even see the ball!! Wasnt there a match against the Spuds where big Jan never even ventured outside the centre circle?!

if heysel wouldnt have happened we would have deffo won at least 1 european cup in that era mate, 2 is probably a more realistic estimate, that great milan side didnt win the cup until 89, the likes of steau bucherest, porto and PSV won it in that little era between heysel and the rise of milan.

[kartiek]

Are we going to see him start vs. City or is he just expected to be a squad player in general?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Are we going to see him start vs. City or is he just expected to be a squad player in general?

i could be wrong but i thought i heard rodgers talk about him as a young squad player who could develop into a top player in time.
i`d be very surprised if he started against city.
i think the front 3 will be the same as last saturday -borini, suarez and downing again (although raheem may start instead of downing in light of his performance last night)

[Redtribe]

I think the front three of Borini, Suarez and Downing will be the starting three with Sterling making an appearance in the last 30.
I also think it would be worth a shot at Borini in the middle and Suarez swapping from side to side, Borini's movement is excellent and he would find himself in lots of scoring positions.