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[jim_morrison_supported_liverpool]

If you look at the stats (i.e. number of games per goal scored) then the list of top strikers would be:

1. van Nistelrooy
2. Henry
3. Defoe
4. Johnson
5. Shearer
6. Baros / Ayegbeni

These stats suggest that he is not the best striker out there, but we'd be fooling ourselves if we thought he was.  Hopefully, Morientes can help on this front.  And maybe we can sign Johnson also - poaching of Morientes' shots.

"The times they are a changin' "

Stu - without tryin to raise the stakes mate, just out of curiosity, when you see these facts like these, does it not make you think otherwise? we know that stats arent everythin, but Baros is also second in goals/minutes on pitch league.

does all this count for nothin? i think previous stats are not usable as he's never EVER  had a run like this in a top flight team, apart from Czechoslovakia, where, coincidentally, he bangs them in for fun.

[taff]

Im with you Jim Beam
Look at the partners with the others and the fact they are main strikers
Lets get this thread up after oh say ten games with Morientes

[115-1073096938]

No the stats don't mean to much because they don't back up what i see.

Baros scored twice in the Euro's agaiisnt Denmark and if you look at the goalkeeping on both of his goals it was poor. It wasn't even premiership standard.

Sorenson was extremely late of his line (3 yards he came off) when the ball was played for the first and for the second, had he simply stood up, the ball would have hit him on the head and it wasn't a goal.

All credit to Baros, he was there to finish the chances an beat what was infront of him but it doesn't detract from the fact that had it been a decent goalkeeper he wouldn't have scored either of those two goals, it wasn't as if the keeper didn't have chance, it was just blatently poor goalkeeping.

Secondly with Baros. I posted his faults the other day and he has to many MAJOR faults in his game.

No-one on this earth can tell me any of the things i posted about him were false and things like that don't make him a top class player. People have short memories in this sport and its extremely tedious.

People have forgotten already how good Anelka, Fowler and Owen were. Even Heskey in the treble season, they were on a completley different planet to what Baros is now.

As i've said many a time, any knowledgable match going fan will back me up on this. The likes of Dalglish and one or two others.

I'm a Baros fan, i like the lad, he's useful but he's not and never will world class or even top class. The only top class attributes in his game are his pace, tenacity and acceleration.

[Devestatin Dave (yeah)]

Stu you can only beat whats in front of you and if the goalkeepers he scored past were sh!te then so be it, do you think anyone gives a fu*k about how the ball goes in the back of the net just as long as it goes in it, it a pretty lame excuse using bad goalkeepers for Baros excellent goalscoring record at international level, and as for kluivert being better than him.....what Newcastle side have u been watchin this season??? and Angel, hahaha hes boll0cks how can u make a list then tell people thats how it is Baros is the 13th best striker in the league until i say so....or until Shearer retires then he 12th!!!

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Stu
I do go to live games probably not as much as you these days but still go and have been to hundreds in my time but dislike having to justify myself
I well respect Dalglish and his views and like reading his posts but if I dont agree with him cest la vie

IMO Baros has not had a run until now and I think the lad will be class especially with a class partner that is just my view and am not gonna suddenly change it for stats or anything else, its my gut instinct about the guy

Hardly forgotten about Fowler Anelka Owen and Heskey
Fowler GOD but his time has gone
Anelka would love to see him Houllier really got that one wronh
Owen World class but plays for Madrid
Heskey should have been world class but to be brutally honest is what we in Cardiff would call a bloody wendy

In terms of skill I would say Baros comes behind them all bar Heskey but he plays for us the rest dont
Incidentally what do you think Anelka would have done in the same situation as Baros, I have a lot of time for the mental side of the game as well and he, considering he was a bench warmer last season with the arrival of a 14 million pound striker has been our man with the plan up front

[115-1073096938]

As i've said many a time.

Just because he's our best striker doesn't mean he's top class. Unlike some on here i can clearly see past the end of my own yard. There are FAR better players out there than Baros and in this country alone there are at LEAST 9 or 10 that you simply can't argue with.

Yes he's a Liverpool player, yes he's our best striker, yes i love the lads effort and enthusiasm but that doesn't make him the worlds best since sliced bread.

A good player? Yes, a great one? Never unfortunately.

As i said he has 3 top class attributes at best.

[fivecups]

i havent read all the threads, cos i havent had time today, so apologies if this has already been discussed.

Remember Baros went through and scored with a mighty F*ckin Fine splendid finish, rifled with his left foot from a tight angle?    only to be ruled offside?  and the T.V actually showed it to be onside. Paul Jones may have mae more of an effort if play carried on, but the finish was still sublime, and we may have made something out of the move if play carried on.

BY the way, we look SH*TLOADS better with Baros playing. it was f*ckin obvious last night.

That was a fantastic goal. The pass was perfect. I thought there was no chance of Baros finishing it because the angle was so tight. But, he hammered it home. Clearly onside too.

[mrcool2003]

i agree with stu mostly, though viduka, don't fancy him but thats just my opinion and i think philips is best his best and anelka when he turns it on is a better player

but cheer up we have morienties to add to the striker list

[fivecups]

1. Henry
2. van Nistlerooy
3. Reyes
4. Rooney
5. Anelka
6. Drogba
7. Defoe
8. Hasslebaink, Viduka, Shearer
9. Kluivert, Angel
10. Baros

So still that leaves 12 better in our league alone.

Disagree completley with that Stu.

We're talking about current ability rather than players previous successes, right?

Let's take this Saturday against United. Baros is certain to start up front.

Are you telling me that, given the choice, you would rather have Angel, Kluivert, Hasselbank, Viduka, or Anelka playing there?

Even Shearer, he's close to retirement so he'd be no use to us. Drogba hasn't exactly set the Premiership alight yet, admittedly with some injury troubles.

Rooney, skillful, a genius even when he can be bothered, but he's hardly a consistent performer. You wouldn't see him running himself into the ground for 90 minutes against Norwich or West Brom. Hardly prolific either. A lot of United fans prefer Smith as a striker.

Reyes again, hasn't scored a hatful this season.

In addition to his pace and workrate which has already been mentioned, he has got masses of skill and a good finish. His vision, awareness and assists are improving.

I can't wait to watch him get stuck into the Manc's on Saturday.

[LFCFan4Life]

Stu, mate but I disagree. You rate Angel higher than Baros?   Who are you trying to kid here. Angel is a good striker but he's not better than Baros, Angel has missed chances that a blind man could score from.

I don't rate Keane as a better striker than Baros either. Defoe and Baros are on the same level, two different types of strikers but neither is better than the other imo. Stu you may think that what you say is final and that's the fact but you have to realize that you are nothing, as much as you don't care about what others say, I don't certainly care what you say either.

It is your opinion and nobody is going to change it however we all have different perspectives of the game. We all see the world in different views, which includes football.

My top ten list

1.  Henry
2.  Van Nistelrooy
3.  Drogba
4.  Reyes
5.  Rooney
6.  Anelka
7.  Hasselbaink
8.  Baros and Defoe
9.  Kluivert
10. Viduka

I consider Shearer's career over as his injuries have taken its toll. Kluivert when he was younger was a top player but he is not in the same form he once was at Barcalona.

[115-1073096938]

Haha, Baros on the same level as Defoe?

I wish.

[LFCFan4Life]

Haha, Angel a better play than Baros?

I think not.

A matter of opinion. Baros and Defoe are two different kinds of strikers, however both are young and have much to learn. Both have scored plenty of goals in the Premiership and both have performed well for their countries as well.

[begintoend]

Alan Shearer is a top class striker. He has to be in the league of the top10 strikers.
Opinions differ from each individual. I myself see Baros as a top class striker to be, not world class though.
Heck, the only world class strikers we had was Rush and Fowler.
Yes, Owen's not in that bracket for me. Top class only.
Judging from the list drawn up by most here, there's nothing much to dispute about.

For me world class strikers have a technique that differ them from the top class.
I see how they position themselves and the way they strike the ball.
Players like Sheva, Henry and Ronaldo are in the category.

Said enough already. I am very very pleased that we have a player of Baros' calibre. With Morientes in, we will certainly have a top class strike partnership in the league.

[woof woof !]

.                                      Dudek

       Finnan         Carragher              Hypia           Riise

       Nunez          Alonso                  Gerrard         Kewell
 
                          Morientes             Baros

subs
Kirkland
Pellegrino
Warnock
Hamann
Garcia
Cisse

Can't wait for the day when this lot trot out together.

[bigmick]

Top class, World class, hour-glass, cruiser class whats it all matter? Originally I said that Baros was top-class and this innocent remark provoked a five page debate.
World class is open to many interpretations. Is it that only those who would get in a World eleven are actually true World class? Or more sensibly those who would get in a World squad of 22? Or is it, as I like to quantify it:
When I was kid, ask me to name a Polish player and I would say Boniek (sp). Little ginger perm and a top-player. Played in Italy as I remember. A German? Beckhambauer of course, Rumenigge maybe. Overarth at a push. A little later on, a Dutchman? Gullit, Van-Basten, Rjiikjard. The point being if you stopped a kid on the streets of say Helsinki and asked him to name British players he would know Beckham, Gerrard and Owen like as not. Now Beckham may be because of his global branding, but the other two will do for me. If he's more knowledgeable and a little older he may even mention Ferdinand aswell which will also do for me.
Top class? Just means a top player. Defoe better than Baros? Impossible to compare in my view. Totally different players. Defoe better than Owen? there you have a valid comparison. Keanne better than Baros? once again a valid comparison and the answer is no, not in any way shape or form.
Baros is top-class and at what he does, running the channels and leading the line as well as providing a mobile focus for attacks he is one of the best in Premiership. IMHO obviously.