Liverpool FC Forum

[Reg]

Lets not misunderstand what happened today, Man Utd were damn glad to get those three points today to avoid relegation.

The tide has turned.

[JoeTerp]

BigMick, I think that unlike most people, you actually remember/focus on the start of the season form more than recent form.  Yes, the some of the other main players stumbled out of the blocks more than normal and in the very start of the season, we got off to a rare fast start (depending on how long the "start" lasts you could say we had an OK start the year before with 10/12 points and the 2 dropped were very very doggy points dropped to Chelsea). However, Arsenal were on a very long unbeaten run in the league from November 15th until today, and the season before, they collapsed in the middle of the season. Granted, they are still going to finish a solid notch behind where they were last campaign, but its hard to tell which is the "normal" Arsenal and which one is the aberration.  Equally, if the Mancs get their act together earlier, who is to say that they will still be able to match their run of results from the 1/4 mark on next campaign? They have taken 78 out of their last 93 possible points (which is all but the first 4 games), and since mid-December, have won 17 out of their last 19 games in the league (51/57points).  I think it would be fair to say it would be a enough of a challenge to repeat that again, let alone repeat that run of results while also getting off to a better start.

[Octsky]

our hope lies in man city and arsenal, and to a lesser extend, hull city. but man city just lied down to be F like a hooker and arsenal? they are the invincible in 2004, but they played like a bunch of puss1es against chelsea and were duly trashed. if anyone is to be sacked i think it shld be Wenger. i dont expect a fight from them against man u.
if we played and believed like this next season, the title will finally return home.

[Madmax]

man city just lied down to be F like a hooker and arsenal? they are the invincible in 2004, but they played like a bunch of puss1es against chelsea and were duly trashed.

[Reg]

Man City were lucky to be Nil this afternoon.

[Octsky]

so it comes down to this. manure will win against wigan which means they need one more point against arsenal to clinch the title. arsenal needs to win to give us a fighting chance.

[GYBS]

With AIG struggling in the economy, I wouldn't be surprised to see them resort to drastic measures involving United haha. Oh my, it'd be better than Christmas!

AIG just sponsor the mancs - they cant do anything to harm them - even if they pull out of the sponsership then the mancs will just go out and get a new deal worth just as much

[Judge]

hope these f'uckers dont break into song if they do infact win the title

[simolonge]

As for the thing about it being our "last" chance, at least we agree on something as that's a ridiculous notion. If anybody said it was our "last" chance of winning the Premiership then obviously they are an idiot. It was though clearly our "best" chance of many years, as we actually put in a sustained challenge (and indeed still are doing). Much of the fact that it has been our "best' chance for years is and has been been down to our excellence, both of the team and of the manager. Some of the fact that it has been our "best" chance for many a year though is obviously because Arsenal aren't as good as they historically have been, and neither are Chelsea. We can dispute the point until we're blue in the face (or at least you can if you like) but it remains as close to a fact as you can get I should think. Unless of course you truly do think that Arsenal are as good a team as they were last season, or that Chelsea wouldn't have been stronger had Hiddink been there all year. Anyways thats for you to wrestle with as you try and make the various threads of your argument hang together, for my part I'm simply glad we've improved.

Sack Rafa !

We have done well cus Arsenal and Chelsea have been poor ?

Get a grip will yer - we only played them both twice so that is hardly the reason we have done well.

[GYBS]

I think i heard something on the Telly yesterday that the reason chelsea are behind is because of their record against the other top 4 clubs - yesterday was their first points picked up - so while they may of been beaten by us and the mancs they have swept all other teams before them - does that make them weak - Arsenal have been weaker than the others for a couple of seasons now - since 2004/05 i reckon - last season was more of an indian summer as they get themselves great momentum at the start of the season but fell away badly - Mancs - just as strong as last season - maybe a bit more with the addition of Berbatov - only reason we are closer to them this season is the six points we picke dup against them _ so does that make them weaker or us stronger ?? Chelsea - yes they arent the same as 3/4 seasons ago but they are just as strong as last season when they pushed the mancs to the last couple of games . Yes no team is a record breaking chelsea or an unbeaten Arsenal but they happen once in a blue moon .

[Owzat]

Let's hope BOTH Wigan and Arsenal pull a shock result.

It ain't over till it's over

Proud of the boys anyway 

In theory Wigan should give the mancs a good game, but I believe the mancs have a 100% record against Wigan.

I was hoping for a favour from Arsenal, but after their displays against the mancs in the CL and at home to Chelsea yesterday, it would take something special for them to win at old twatford. Is it a lunchtime kick-off? That, and the mancs playing midweek, might offer a glimmer of hope

If it goes to the last game of the season, Hull might pull something off. I've more hope pinned on them, desperation factor despite winning only one of their last 18 league games


If there is light at the end of the tunnel, I can see an effin' great fat woman about to block it all out. I can't say the best team won, perhaps the most efficient team with a big squad.

As for AIG, they've pulled out of their sponsorship (not renewing?), but I doubt they are a major source of the mancs income. They're bleeding their fans dry with ticket increases, having to buy cup tickets etc and worldwide merchandise sales probably brings in more money than AIG

[tubby]

So the mancs can lift the league before we even KO.

[bigmick]

As for the thing about it being our "last" chance, at least we agree on something as that's a ridiculous notion. If anybody said it was our "last" chance of winning the Premiership then obviously they are an idiot. It was though clearly our "best" chance of many years, as we actually put in a sustained challenge (and indeed still are doing). Much of the fact that it has been our "best' chance for years is and has been been down to our excellence, both of the team and of the manager. Some of the fact that it has been our "best" chance for many a year though is obviously because Arsenal aren't as good as they historically have been, and neither are Chelsea. We can dispute the point until we're blue in the face (or at least you can if you like) but it remains as close to a fact as you can get I should think. Unless of course you truly do think that Arsenal are as good a team as they were last season, or that Chelsea wouldn't have been stronger had Hiddink been there all year. Anyways thats for you to wrestle with as you try and make the various threads of your argument hang together, for my part I'm simply glad we've improved.

Sack Rafa !

We have done well cus Arsenal and Chelsea have been poor ?

Get a grip will yer - we only played them both twice so that is hardly the reason we have done well.

What a strange post. Sack Rafa? Hmmm good one.

I don't know why it is that certain subjects seem to rile people up, but they do. So Arsenal are as strong this season as last when they very nearly won it, and Chelsea wouldn't have been stronger if Hiddink had been there all season? And it's me who needs to get a grip.

On a more serious note, I hope that next season Arsenal and Chelsea are just as good in the league as they have been this time around. My suspicion though is that neither club will be quite as inneffective. Like all things though, the fullness of time will prove or disprove all theories so it'll be interesting to see which way it goes.

Back to the "sack Rafa" bit, I suppose this part of my post which you quoted "Much of the fact that it has been our "best' chance for years is and has been been down to our excellence, both of the team and of the manager" must have been in invisible ink or something. Someone definately needs to get a grip, you're right there.

[GYBS]

Nearly won it ?? in the end last season we nearly took third off them - yes they led for a while but come feb time they just faded away badly after going out of cl . As teams they are the same standard as last year and both strengtened in the summer and in jan . Maybe Mick just maybe its us that have got stronger as opposed to other teams being weaker ? is that at all possible

[bigmick]

Nearly won it ?? in the end last season we nearly took third off them - yes they led for a while but come feb time they just faded away badly after going out of cl . As teams they are the same standard as last year and both strengtened in the summer and in jan . Maybe Mick just maybe its us that have got stronger as opposed to other teams being weaker ? is that at all possible

We really do need a banfg your head against a brick wall smilie. Why don't people actually read the posts? I suppose they're too long, too boring and all that so i can't blame them.

Look. OF COURSE WE HAVE IMPROVED, THERE'S NO MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've said on a number of occasions over the last couple of weeks that we are playing just about as well as I've seen us play over the last 20 years. I'll quote again what i quoted five minutes ago, from my own post "Much of the fact that it has been our "best' chance for years is and has been been down to our excellence, both of the team and of the manager" How clear has it got to be 

But just as obvious as the fact that we have improved, is the fact that Arsenal are nowhere near as strong as last season, and that Chelsea would have been stronger with a more suitable manager.

Now we can argue all day long about whether their relative strength has had any impact upon us. Perhaps it's irrelevent how strong they are, as the bloke said earlier we only play them twice each . But how and why people want to dispute something which is glaringly obvious is a mystery to me.

Facts as I see them.

1. We are much stronger for a number of reasons which we won't go into again now. We are playing great, IMHO we are the strongest Liverpool team for many a year.

2. The Arsenal team which led the Premiership last season into the final ten games or so was much stronger than this one this year.

3. If Gus Hiddink had been the manager of Chelsea all season, they would have put up a much better fight in the league.

Anyways, I'm off to bed. It's kind of hard to argue with people who have a pop without bothering to actually read what you've posted.