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[kazza]

There has already been far too many threads like this one, started by people who's ego was so big they thought that their opinion deserved it's own thread.

[NANNY RED]

Just popped back in hangover an all to say im still supporting our manager . thats it

[dawson99]

Just popped back in hangover an all to say im still supporting our manager . thats it

I concur

[bigmick]

There has already been far too many threads like this one, started by people who's ego was so big they thought that their opinion deserved it's own thread.

One of two things happened here. Either you missed the irony of my post completely, or you got it and thought it was hilarious. Given the fact that you've omitted half of the initial line (and indeed the bit which made it ironic) and given your history, I suspect it's the former.

Read it again, and pay specific attention to the part where I said to the bloke that he could have quoted mine from a month ago. If you read that one (you should it's a good thread) you'll note that one or two people told me off for starting a thread simply because it was MY opinion. They were right too.

Hence the reference here. Ironic innit? Magnified of course by you taking it as you did and the smiley. You couldn't make it up really.

[NANNY RED]

Just popped back in hangover an all to say im still supporting our manager . thats it

I concur

Shall we have another song Daws i went through the book last night when i was out

[dawson99]

We could always use more songs!!!

all I sing at work is we all dream of a team of carraghers, went on for about 20 minutes yesterday until someone threw a stapler at me

[Sabre]

Anyway like I say, credit to those who know they're goign to be in the minority for a time for showing themselves.

As if I care being in a minority.



Let me play your little game of guessing what the antis are thinking, and let me tell you I don't think you're  interested in reading our input at all. Rather, I think that you're finding that gloating against someone is more fun than gloating alone. It's as if you buy a Ferrari and you don't have a neighbour to show your new car, the fun is not complete. If I'm being unfair I'm sorry, but it's unfair aswell you pretend to think why someone doesn't post.

Because I think you know perfectly well that someone doesn't change his opinion on a manager in 3 weeks, and if 3 weeks ago I thought this manager was making us progress, I won't come up with something different because we had been battered by injuries and an annoyingly and incredible Manc run of won games.

I don't have a dimmer switch of support of the manager depending if we're one, three, five points away, I don't have an opportunistic nature (I couldn't be a striker).

I don't change my global position if in 3 weeks we suffer from injuries like the one of Gerrard or Manchester is overrunning their rivals either with good football, or ref help. I don't post my position on the manager when I look at the table and I deem it safe.

So unsurprisingly my position is the same of one month ago and the last summer, if you're truly interested on that.

So, by all means, enjoy yourself, do all the gloating you wish, but do not pretend to know why the pros don't post, as probably each of them have their own reason. My reason is that I can't read that shhhh to Liverpool fans is funny and telling Ferguson a couple of truths is arrogant without getting too annoyed. So instead of posting insults, and giving more work to the mods than they already have, I preffer silence. The requested self moderation, if I posted these days I'd be brutally honest, and the other day the ladies overreacted a bit when I posted what I think about Owzat's posts here (not Owzat the guy). So self moderation and silence is the best I can offer this forum right now. You don't have to say thanks, I will be happy if you just don't pretend to know why I've stopped posting.

But I still have my own position, and all, I don't have a dimmer switch in my position depending on the league table, I just look at Rafa's reign and believe he has made us progress and can take us further. I'm a minority in that? See if I care.


P.S. Just to complete your suggestions, besides RAWK, The Rattle is also a place in which saying shhhh to Liverpool fans is an insult, and telling a couple of truths to Ferguson is right or wrong, but not arrogant.

[Johnny Boy]

As a season ticket holder I don't think Rafa should be offered a new contract.
Purely on the basis we have signed too many players who haven't performed, too many 'off field' issues out in the open,
too many below par performances.
I can't honestly say I have seen more than 3 good games at Anfield this season (I thought we played well against Utd, Chelsea and Bolton).
Too many games we have shown too much respect to inferior opposition.

I also think the summer transfer window was a shambles, Keane brought in and then sold. Dossena who looks a waste of money.
Sure all managers make transfer mistakes but after several years in charge has Rafa really sorted some of the long standing problems in our squad? Quality at left back and a decent right sided midfielder/winger. No he hasn't.

[Reg]

Just popped back in hangover an all to say im still supporting our manager . thats it

Very loyal on one hand Nan but that team yesterday is simply not good enough to win the league nor does it serve to.

If we won with the likes of Lucas, Yossi, Babel, Keane, Ngog etc..  then its more a testement of how standrads have declined to our level in the EPL rather than how we rose above the other sides.

Roy Evan's side of the early 90's was way better than this one.

[bigmick]

Anyway like I say, credit to those who know they're goign to be in the minority for a time for showing themselves.

As if I care being in a minority.



Let me play your little game of guessing what the antis are thinking, and let me tell you I don't think you're  interested in reading our input at all. Rather, I think that you're finding that gloating against someone is more fun than gloating alone. It's as if you buy a Ferrari and you don't have a neighbour to show your new car, the fun is not complete. If I'm being unfair I'm sorry, but it's unfair aswell you pretend to think why someone doesn't post.

Because I think you know perfectly well that someone doesn't change his opinion on a manager in 3 weeks, and if 3 weeks ago I thought this manager was making us progress, I won't come up with something different because we had been battered by injuries and an annoyingly and incredible Manc run of won games.

I don't have a dimmer switch of support of the manager depending if we're one, three, five points away, I don't have an opportunistic nature (I couldn't be a striker).

I don't change my global position if in 3 weeks we suffer from injuries like the one of Gerrard or Manchester is overrunning their rivals either with good football, or ref help. I don't post my position on the manager when I look at the table and I deem it safe.

So unsurprisingly my position is the same of one month ago and the last summer, if you're truly interested on that.

So, by all means, enjoy yourself, do all the gloating you wish, but do not pretend to know why the pros don't post, as probably each of them have their own reason. My reason is that I can't read that shhhh to Liverpool fans is funny and telling Ferguson a couple of truths is arrogant without getting too annoyed. So instead of posting insults, and giving more work to the mods than they already have, I preffer silence. The requested self moderation, if I posted these days I'd be brutally honest, and the other day the ladies overreacted a bit when I posted what I think about Owzat's posts here (not Owzat the guy). So self moderation and silence is the best I can offer this forum right now. You don't have to say thanks, I will be happy if you just don't pretend to know why I've stopped posting.

But I still have my own position, and all, I don't have a dimmer switch in my position depending on the league table, I just look at Rafa's reign and believe he has made us progress and can take us further. I'm a minority in that? See if I care.


P.S. Just to complete your suggestions, besides RAWK, The Rattle is also a place in which saying shhhh to Liverpool fans is an insult, and telling a couple of truths to Ferguson is right or wrong, but not arrogant.

Fair enough Sabre, no problemo. I'm surprised you think my posts have been gloaty, and I'm also surprised at the tone of your post here, but it's OK. I wouldn't expect you or anyone else to change their opinion of the manager based on one result, or even one campaign. I thought I'd been saying the same thing myself for a while but there you go.

As for the bit about looking at the table and deeming it safe, many of my misgivings on the manager have been held for some time so i don't think that's overly fair, but it's OK. I said it four years ago and had it in my sig (I probably still do but they dont appear on my screen anymore for some reason) that you will never win the league by Rafa styling.

Anyway, you've prodded me into a gloat/defence of where I stand, and I agree with you there's no need for that. I can't help thinking though that you're understandably gutted about the result and the turn of events, so you're lining me up as the proverbial cat to kick.

No bother though, I know how you feel.

[Reg]

Excellent post Sabes, and very well written.

[maguskwt]

Just because one wants to criticise the manager, let's not make things out to be which they're not....

1. Gerrard is my favourite player... but let's be honest here he's not the best player in the world

2. Reina is not the best keeper in the Premier League

3. Mascherano is one of the best holding midfielders in the game but he's not the best

4. Torres is one of the best strikers in the world but he's not the best.

5. We do not have a creative player in the mould of Robinho

6. We do not have the best wingers in the league

7. Because of all of the above we do not have the best squad in the league

We are where we are suppose to be IMO and this is not because Benitez doesn't know how to use the best player in the world and the best squad in the league. I do blame him for some of the acquisitions he made mainly this season's except for riera... and he has to take responsibility in that. But he is still a very very good manager, the kind of which it is very hard to find these days. Scholari came to Chelsea with a big reputation, and his squad is arguably stronger than us, but we managed to overcome them twice in the league and currently better positioned than them. What benitez is up against is a manager who has been dominating the premier league for more than a decade. This person has the full support of the board, his squad is better than ours, winning the league is like bread and butter for him and they can spend more money than us. Give the manager 2 more seasons. We are finally challenging for the title and most of you said that if we challenge you wouldn't mind benitez staying on. now you've changed your tunes...

[LegBarnes]

I just poped in to say I am not rafa out ! 

[loopyliverpool]

I think it is time for him to go, it may upset some but, the team has been treading water for far too long, too may mediocre players and some plain bad ones (take your pick). The team play negative football and fail to make proper clear cut chances game after game. I applaud Rafa for the work he's done but would be happy to bid him adieu.

[Sabre]

Fair enough Sabre, no problemo. I'm surprised you think my posts have been gloaty, and I'm also surprised at the tone of your post here, but it's OK.

I'm not sure that the tone I wrote the post is the tone you interpreted, as reading posts is a matter of interpretation. But yes, I have to admit I'm like this    especially watching the cúnts in the east winning. And for the first time in a long time I can't be the diplomatic and calm Sabre. It's normal you are surprised, I am too, as I've never been so angry regarding Liverpool Football Club. As you know when one's angry he doesn't control well what he says. I notice that and I choose silence.


So yes, I find gloaty that you ask where are the pros and implying we're on the ground because now we're in a minority, all that despite the respect I've claimed I have towards you many times. Similarly I admit some of the shít you had to read about yourself when things went better for the team wasn't fair.

It's not personal, it's the atmosphere of the forum, which is not your fault, nor my fault, but everybody's fault. This forum goes from stupid support to the manager (yes, stupid) to stupid bashing of the maanger (yes, stupid). FFS, I'm finding Bam's posts likeable as of late compared to others, and him and me never have been best mates. I just find the newkit atmosphere too white or too black. IMHO, the truth is somewhere in the middle, like Maguskwt is implying, probably the manager has made mistakes, but probably he's a very good manager too. And in this forum, Rafa can't be attacked some weeks, and can't be defended others. No place for the middle positions.

But that atmosphere is temporary. I've always thought that a new manager would bring a better atmosphere to newkit, and by the looks of it, that may happen soon enough. See you then.