tonyeh wrote:Bad Bob wrote:tonyeh wrote:Look, I don't care about what other teams are doing. I care about how Liverpool is doing. It's Liverpool's progress I'm concerned about and this season, I haven't seen the progress in the side that GYBS is talking about.
Then why do you keep bringing them up as a yardstick to measure whether we've 'actually' progressed? If you didn't care about other teams, you wouldn't spend so much time saying that we're only where we are in the table because Chelsea and Arsenal have screwed up worse than we have. I'd have a lot more respect for your argument about 'lack of progress despite what the table says' if you would just stop bringing Chelsea and Arsenal into it. Fact is, the happy clappers have been told for a while that our shortcomings can't be excused by saying we're not as good a side as the Mancs, Chelsea and maybe Arsenal. So, I'm just applying the same thinking in reverse: our success this season can't be dismissed on the basis of what our rivals have failed to do.
From my perspective, the table doesn't lie: we wouldn't be anywhere near 2nd place if we were as poor as people like you make out. With that said, we have shown many of the same failings that have scuppered our chances of challenging in the past and that is a worry. So, why don't we just discuss those failings rather than concocting strange scenarios to explain away our position ahead of two teams that have, frankly, played worse football than us for a fair chunk of the season?
Just because I don't care if Chelsea has had a bad season this year, doesn't mean it isn't a factor on our position this season. If Chelsea had played well this year and Liverpool had improved on their form from last season, then I would say that the team had progressed from last year.
However, Liverpool have not played better than last year, but Chelsea have played worse than they did last season.
That is not a progression.
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