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[lakes10]

I agree with it, for me its not to do with so much how our teams are now but more to do with the young players that are coming into the game.......not many make it into the top teams and miss out on the chance to get the best out of them.

With this in place it will make teams work more on the younger players and make them better players.










but its not going to happen.

[SupitsJonF]

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FIFA Congress supports objectives of 6+5
(FIFA.com) Friday 30 May 2008
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Convening today in Sydney, the 58th FIFA Congress voted with a significant majority (155 yes, 5 no) in favour of a resolution on 6+5 (see resolution below).

In his address to the Congress, the FIFA President had stressed: "We do not want to go against the existing laws. Regarding Europe, we want to use the legal basis of the Treaty of Lisbon, which acknowledges the specificity of sport and its structures and organisations, and comes into force on 1 January 2009. We want to go for consultation, not confrontation".

Before the vote, several speakers expressed their support for the objectives of 6+5. Michel Platini, UEFA President, declared that "6+5 is considered illegal within the European Union. [But] UEFA totally shares the philosophy and objectives of 6+5. UEFA fully supports the resolution presented. We will do everything to help the FIFA President to defend the objectives presented today."

Franz Beckenbauer, chairman of FIFA's Football Committee, said: "Everybody regrets that England will not be represented at EURO 2008. We had thousands of English fans in Germany for the 2006 FIFA World Cup. They contributed to the party. It is unfortunate that they will not take part this time. It is not only England that is affected by the current situation. Other countries are concerned. Maybe it will be Germany soon. We debated 6+5 within our Football Committee and every member was in favour of this idea. We need to find an arrangement with the European Union."

Theo van Seggelen, Secretary General of FIFPro, a body that unites 60,000 professional football players all around the world and not only in Europe, mentioned: "Before becoming professionals, players need good training. Clubs need to invest time and money in the education of players. Training is necessary. But playing is necessary too. The career of a professional player is only complete when he has played for his club for at least a couple of years, and we prefer it when it is with the club where he was trained. FIFPro calls upon the Presidents of FIFA and UEFA to continue to explore all possible means - within the limits of the law - to achieve the objectives of 6+5."

The member associations of Australia, Guatemala and Saudi Arabia also spoke during the Congress and advocated 6+5, confirming that the objectives it aims at reaching do not concern only Europe but other continents as well.

Resolution adopted by the FIFA Congress

The FIFA Congress, at its meeting in Sydney on 29 and 30 May 2008, decided to:
- fully support the objectives of "6+5 " as laid down at the above Congress,
- request the Presidents of FIFA and UEFA to continue to explore for Europe, together with the world of sport - football's protagonists, but also the international Olympic Committee and the international federations - all possible means within the limits of the law to ensure that these crucial sporting objectives be achieved,
- give the FIFA President the mandate to, if necessary, take similar steps on the other continents in cooperation with the relevant Confederation.

Background of 6+5
- The foundations of football are harmony and balance between national team football and club football,
- The clubs' loss of national identity is endangering the former and has led to increasing inequality among the latter, thereby widening the financial and sporting gap between the two, reducing the competitiveness of club competitions and increasing the predictability of their results,
- Safeguarding (i) the education and training of young players, (ii) training clubs, and (iii) the values of effort and motivation in football, particularly for young players, is a fundamental element of protecting national teams and restoring sporting and financial balance to club football,
- The universal development of football over the last century would not continue if there were
increasing inequalities between continents, countries and protagonists in football,

Definition of 6+5
- At the beginning of each match, each club must field at least 6 who are players eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club.
- However, there is:
- no restriction on the number of non-eligible players under contract with the club,
- nor on substitutes to avoid non-sportive constraints on the coaches (potentially 3+8 at the end of a match).

Calendar of 6+5
The objective is to have an incremental implementation starting at the beginning of the 2010-2011 season to give clubs time to adjust their teams over a period of several years:
- 4+7 for 2010-2011
- 5+6 for 2011-2012
- and 6+5 for 2012-2013

Great, so for the next fu.cking 5 years transfers are going to sky rocket, be out of our price range, and we won't really be a contender at all?

[Reg]

Dont get so depressed mate, it wont happen, that is of course as long as the EU labour laws are respected.

Political hot air.

[username]

If this happens, all the top teams will have all the good english players (because they have enough money for them) while lower teams will have alot worse players, causing a bigger gap between the top clubs.

Not only that, it will reduce english clubs at a higer level, meaning less domance in the champions league (which is what uefa want).

The fact of the matter is its against europen laws for this rule. The best they can do is make sure players came from youth level, playing from the club for so many years between a certain age. Which means we will just take more forgin players in our reserves and youth squad.

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

Dont get so depressed mate, it wont happen, that is of course as long as the EU labour laws are respected.

Political hot air.

how will this effect it if there is no limit on the players you can buy only on how many can start a game.

[username]

Dont get so depressed mate, it wont happen, that is of course as long as the EU labour laws are respected.

Political hot air.

how will this effect it if there is no limit on the players you can buy only on how many can start a game.

The fact that you HAVE to have 6 english players means you will be buying players just because of the fact they are english, which is hiring an employee because of their nationality, not how well suited for the job they are.

Also playing them is kind of like a promotion, and your playing then just because they are english, not because they deserve it

[Kharhaz]

The fact that you HAVE to have 6 english players means you will be buying players just because of the fact they are english, which is hiring an employee because of their nationality, not how well suited for the job they are.

Also playing them is kind of like a promotion, and your playing then just because they are english, not because they deserve it

Not at all. For me the obvious winners are the lower league clubs as the big teams, indeed any of the premiership clubs will be picking out the best english players in the lower leagues and going all out to sign them hence an auction begins between the top clubs to get the signature of the player. I dont think its as bad as people think. Lets look at our club, are players like Riise the best europe can offer? or could and englishman easily replace them? Arbeloa,Voronin,Kuyt, Alonso?? It wouldnt be as bad as people realise, Pennant would be all for this rule im guessing! The advantage we have as a club is we are one of the top 4 and if our tradition and history alone can attract foreigners of the like of Torres to not only want to come here but take a paycut to come here our own shores cannot be that hard, can it? Surely all it would mean is that we have more scouts operating in britain rather than abroad.

[stmichael]

Just because we are in a good position it doesnt mean we should be punished in order for the other leagues to catch up. We revolutionised our league so let them follow or nothing. I didn't hear anybody whinging when Italy and Spain were dominating Europe.

It wont happen anyway as the EU wont allow it. It's against international law and you can't restrict freedom of movement.

[Redman in wales]

EU backs UEFA homegrown in bid to avert FIFA quotas vote

The European Commission formally backed UEFA's "home-grown player rule" on Wednesday in a bid to avert controversial FIFA plans to curb the number of foreigners at soccer clubs which Brussels said is illegal.

The EU executive hopes the move will be enough of an olive branch for soccer's world governing body to ditch Friday's vote on president Sepp Blatter's "6+5 rule", which limits the number of foreign players starting any club match to five.
"After intensive discussion, in-depth analysis and a report carried out by the European Commission, I can for the first time say that UEFA's so-called homegrown player rule is compatible with EU rules concerning free movement of workers," EU Sports Commissioner Jan Figel told Reuters in a telephone interview.
"I do not tell FIFA what to do ... but the FIFA rule which is currently on the table constitutes a clear direct discrimination based on nationality which is against EU laws.

"We think the UEFA rule is the best rule, but I can now offer even more intense and open dialogue with Sepp Blatter."
UEFA's home-grown player rule sets a quota of locally-trained players at clubs but without any discrimination on nationality..


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More on the homegrown rule:

The home-grown rule was designed at least partly to redress the balance in terms of clubs fielding locally developed players who they either trained themselves or were coached at another club within the same country.

The ruling has evolved over months of negotiation with the European Union, governments, politicians and all of football’s "stakeholders", the clubs, national associations, coaches and academies at grass-roots level.

The problem was to devise a system that did not conflict with the EU’s eligibility laws as there are no longer any restrictions on player movement in Europe.

So, a young player of any nationality can be developed between the ages of 15 and 21 for three years as a junior and be eligible as a home-grown player.

A six-point declaration adopted by congress laid out the fundamentals of the plan, which is effectively designed to also stop rich clubs "hoarding" players as well as just buying in success.


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basically if FIFA aren’t allowed to impose this 6+5 rule, I have a feeling it will turn into 6 ‘homegrown’ + 5 instead.

Although originally they’ve stated that they are against it, I think they’d take up that mantle.

[Raoul]

It seems to me that whether you like the rule or not, and whether the EU will allow it or not, it is simply dumb.

Igor has already pointed out the issue of last minute replacements, and all the shuffling around that will entail.  Imagine, just before a cup final, or a critical league game, one of your English players is injured in the warm up and has to be replaced.  However, the obvious replacement is a foreigner.  In fact, it turns out that the only way to replace the player is by shuffling your team around, last minute, and putting the wrong players in the wrong positions because of all your possible options, that looks to be the best one...

This rule will make the rich clubs harder to beat.  Not only will they buy the best talent, they'll buy more of it.  With 5+6 clubs are going to want more options in each position to ensure they can put the best team on the pitch...

I think it is silly and I'm not at all sure it is going to have the result FIFA say they are after.

Also, I'm not even sure it is moral.  There are a lot of players from the Two-Thirds World who are playing in Europe now.  If FIFA is serious about making a difference in those communities, as they claim to be, making it harder for people from countries ravaged by poverty and AIDS to play professional football seems a bit silly...

[figgis]

if this dont go thru maybe the next move will be to limit the number of english clubs in the champ league to 2 maybe 3. maybe we will be banned from europe for not being violent enough like all the italain clubs that regularly kick it off everytime they play english teams.

[SouthCoastShankly]

I don't see why the 6+5 rule is applying to the starting line up. Its far too restrictive. Surely the better method is to apply a home grown rule to the match day squad. At least then you are filling the 6 home grown players within the subs as well as the starting line up.

[Almighty Red]

Good god... fans genuinely agreeing with Blatter for the 2nd time in a year!