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[Benny The Noon]

we all knew if those fecking torry tw@ts got in,this would happen,let alone with the spinless lib dems joining them as well! fecking lib dem tw@ts - going back on their word about student fees etc fecking t0ssers! & some wonder why their was out rage, ffs my son will, not hopefully be going to univeristy! so i for one totally agree with the demos!

i will work my fingers to the bone to make sure he achieves his goal in life-to make that happen he will go to uni. but why the feck should he suffer in feeling guilty for chasing a dream in the natrual talent he has,which is IT. i'm a working class man, proud of it & fecking proud of my son for wanting to make himself somthing & someone to be proud of. so why should working class,or anyone for that matter be punished for it!

that's what is happening,people in this country -parents,sons, daughters etc are being punished for having a brain & wanting with a passion for acheiving their goal in life denied.

it's about time poloticians were given this type of demo,lets face it most of the feckers went to some sort of higher education-& now they are trying to debrive others in this country of doing so- it's bu11sh1t! the likes of my son fully deserve support cause he is passionate about college,uni etc & works is backside off. i had  a meeting with his tutor the other night to back this up.

also my son got off his backside & got a part time job to pay for his way in life,pay for things for his pc etc & it makes my blood boil to think he may be punished in a couple of years time finacial wise that is all down to false pomises & lies that he is aware of at this moment in time. i will not allow this to defere his talent or enthusiasm,because the likes of my son is the future of this country!

To peaceful demo and to protest peacefully is fine and is their right - what they ended up doing yesterday was disgusting and shocking - urinating on a statue of the man who lead us to freedom , graffiti and climbing over a statue dedicated to men who fought for our freedom , burning the Xmas tree given to us each year by Norway - their actions yesterday were a disgrace

[Benny The Noon]

Not that we see any of it. Ok there's porters, gardeners, cleaners etc. but we don't get any books, printing or any of the likes. I reckon you could go on all day fighting over a few quid, but if the government could've met a compromise somewhere between, the majority of students would've been happy.

The irony of this is, myself, and all of those cretins that were protesting aren't going to be affected as they are already into their course

The country is in recession , thousands have lost their jobs , even more has had pay cuts , tax increases etc etc the people working are suffering and paying for financial mistakes and I'm afraid students wanting to go to uni will also have to take a hit - I know its harsh and it's not fair but its life . Nothing is free or given away anymore - this may well be the best plan for the future - who knows .

capitalism at its best...

Its life thou unfortunatly and in life mistakes are made and people suffer because of them .

[Gerrard30391]

Well I can only see it going to how it used to be with just the rich and all that.

I think i mentioned earlier the fact uni's take on students who don't make the entry requirements, meaning the subsidises don't cover the students any more. A slight issue there perhaps?

[Emerald Red]

Not that we see any of it. Ok there's porters, gardeners, cleaners etc. but we don't get any books, printing or any of the likes. I reckon you could go on all day fighting over a few quid, but if the government could've met a compromise somewhere between, the majority of students would've been happy.

The irony of this is, myself, and all of those cretins that were protesting aren't going to be affected as they are already into their course

The country is in recession , thousands have lost their jobs , even more has had pay cuts , tax increases etc etc the people working are suffering and paying for financial mistakes and I'm afraid students wanting to go to uni will also have to take a hit - I know its harsh and it's not fair but its life . Nothing is free or given away anymore - this may well be the best plan for the future - who knows .

capitalism at its best...

Or worst. Karl Marx had a point when he said capitalism would destroy itself.

[redhayesy]

Hayesy, you seem highly strung today.

i am mate, sorry if it is out order, but the way i feel today -enough is enough! this country is sucks mate. i love my counrty, but the politicians in this country really p1ss me off big time!

please believe me, i don't agree with any t0sser dis-respecting any thing that is secrete in our country - ie any t0sser who urinates on a military monument,anyone who doesn't show respect to our soldiers,anyone who fecking delibatly trys to con the working man by not paying their way etc- you know what i mean mate- i could go on & on!

my point is in no way do i agree with anyone yesterday who went to the capital to cause delibrate trouble!! ffs get a grip people- their will always be bad apples amounst the barrel.

i'm on about genuine students,working class people,who made the fecking effort to go to the capital to make a genuine protest about how fecking wrong the system is & how fecking wrong it is to punish genuine people of this country & the people of it's future. ie- my son, who is dedicated,passionate & who yearns to progress in futher education,wants to go to uni & as i say -i will ensure that happens as long as i breath air! should be punished- thats the word -punished for having the drive etc to want to do that!

ffs we go on about teenagers,students etc being lazy no good for nothing human beings- well i for one,agree with some of that - but in this case-NO fecking way! my son & alot of his mates are exceptional!! & deserve the credit they are given. not punished because maybe they or their parents can't afford to pay for their futher education!

BTW- if anyone on this forum doubted my enthusiasm for my son & his talent, i will bump up my topic starter  i made in 2007 - i took my son on a tour of Anfield & musiem tour & at the age of 14 he produced a video of the day which is pure genius,even if i do say so myself,cause un-beknown to me he came home after that day & was so enthrulled & enthusiastic about what he had seen & witnessed in LFC  history he made the video & i was so proud of him i thought it was only right to share his enthusiasm & talent with you all.

when i find it i will re-post it,you can also view it on you tube- Liverpool fc Files & it is under Anfield tour (i think it  is the first one you see)
please view it with the volume turned up as my son also put all the singing you hear throughout on it aswell-ie singinging from the albert pub! tracks taken from the cd- the 12th man!

[SouthCoastShankly]

and because society as a whole wasn't responsible for the recession. therefore its virtually fúcking criminal that society as a whole should be constantly penalised to pay for it.

Andy your footballing posts are sound but that post was bollox.

Firstly. The global recession was not solely our banker fault, in fact the vast majority of the recession was caused by the collapse of the US mortgage system. Our (and most other) were affected by investment into these markets.

Society SHOULD pay when times are bad because no one refuses the financial benefits when times are good. You can't have it both ways.

Whilst students are at university they make bugger all for the economy but as soon as they are earning they generate wealth if they are in employment. They also pay taxes to make contributions to run a society. This is how a western society works.

Don't like it, lump it. Or move.

So basically what you are still saying is that the people who had no part whatsoever in lending to the downfall of the economy still have to shell out of their own pockets to help correct the mistakes of those that did? It's the people who don't have it that are paying for it. I think that is more or less the crux of the problem and the reason for the protests. If the students can't get a job to start with, then how can they afford to pay for the hike in their education?

If a student can't get a job he/she doesn't pay back a penny of the fees. If he does he doesn't start making payments (100% interest free) until he earns 21k a year.

Sorry but I think that is fair.

Everyone is in the same boat. Actually those students from families on benefits get their fees Paid for the first 2 years. Is that really so unfair?

Everyones taxes have gone up yet we dont get a three year payment holiday like students? I think they got a good deal out of it.

Finally redhayesy. You can play the Tory card all you like but tuition fees were here with labour also. In fact under labour you started paying them back as soon as you started earning 15k per year. I dont get your point?

[Gerrard30391]

SCS I think your arguments 100% valid, but the amount it has gone up is what the students really don't understand. Put like this, it's like saying your car tax has gone from £120 per year to £360 per year, not sure anybody can justify it.

[Kharhaz]

University is a luxury that many working class people over the years have gone without and guess what? they have done ok for themself. The fees have risen, the country is in a mess financially. To get out of this mess, we have to endure the hardships that comes with it. I agree that its unfair that we are paying for it while the bankers are lapping it up in pay rises and bonuses to reward themself for making such a mess of things. And the politicians also, who gave the banks tax payers money to dig themself out of the mess made, in which the banks then took that money to pay for their bonuses and refused to lend the people the money that came from the people in the first place ! And of course the expenses with a majority of the politicians, while this country was being crippled, these parasites were dipping into the trough getting everything paid for by the taxpayer.

If the protests were a case of "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" then more people would be involved, more people would be protesting, but lets be honest here, its simply down to the luxury of going to university. And it is exactly that, a luxury. One of the protesters was photographed giving the finger on Have I Got News For You, and it turned out that particular protester decided to protest rather than turn up for a job interview he should have been at.

Its hard to feel sympathy for their cause.

[SouthCoastShankly]

SCS I think your arguments 100% valid, but the amount it has gone up is what the students really don't understand. Put like this, it's like saying your car tax has gone from £120 per year to £360 per year, not sure anybody can justify it.

I agree but most arguments on here are on the existence of the fees themselves! They're nothing new.

[redhayesy]

the point is mate, that the demo's took place under this fecking goverment not the labour goverment,feck weather you think it would have happened even if labour had re-gainbed power, it & they didn't -so that is the whole point! so feck asll this playing the labour card bu11sh1t mate. my point is all politicians fecking lie- but the fecking fact remains this- the feckinf torres are in power at the moment, they have made the descision,because the fecking so called co-ollision goverment,fecking spinless twa@ts lib dems have gone back on their word end of.

this goverment,co-ollision call it what you want-they have bu11sh1tted the people of this country with a major election campaign manifesto- student fees etc etc -fecking lying tw@ts! that's the torries for you. if you are old enough to remember mate- i will remind you of one really important thing in the history of the torry goverment also- thatcher,thatcher the milk snatcher! theyv'e been robbing this country & it's working class people from the day they were invented-& they are fecking doing it again now! - past & present a lepoard never changes it's spots!

           so let's agree to dis-agree cause you are obvisously not on my wave length

[maypaxvobiscum]

SCS I think your arguments 100% valid, but the amount it has gone up is what the students really don't understand. Put like this, it's like saying your car tax has gone from £120 per year to £360 per year, not sure anybody can justify it.

I agree but most arguments on here are on the existence of the fees themselves! They're nothing new.

perhaps a fairer route to take if the they wanted to increase the fees, is to enact it in such a way that it applies to prospective students, not those who are already enrolled with the university. those who are currently enrolled stick with the old payment scheme.

[SouthCoastShankly]

But I'm not playing a labour card. Fees were already here and got increased. For me it is nothing to with the political party. Labour probably would of done the same, they just said they weren't going to make cuts this year.

For me (and I would say the majority from what I've seen on tv and radio) I think the deal is fair. FFS they only start paying it back when they're earning over 21k a year. Also not every student accrues the same fees, it depends on the university. It's unfortunate that there is no such thing as a free university but if my taxes go up and I have to help the country out of a recession then so should students.

[redhayesy]

i will support my son through colleuge,uni-whatever mate. thats the bottom line,if it means i as well as him find in years to come it results in so called debt- do your worst you fecking torry tw@ts! or fecking co-ollision d1cks,i don't care!- cause the one thing i do know for a fact is that my son is a real talent,passionate about reaching his goal in life-that means going to uni,getting an official document to prove his talent etc,if that means he has to pay a stupid amount of money to do so-that will make it all worth while for me.

people in this country go on about students taking the p1ss & living a p1ss take lifestyle. -fine but don't tar every student with the same brush! cause it just isn't the case!

it's like saying that every person on benefits doesn't deserve the financial help they deserve!

if someone has talent & is motivated to want to suceed in life,why the feck should they have to pay a stupid amount of money in the first place to de-motivate them,it just doesn't make sence to me & never will.

[Kharhaz]

i will support my son through colleuge,uni-whatever mate. thats the bottom line,if it means i as well as him find in years to come it results in so called debt- do your worst you fecking torry tw@ts! or fecking co-ollision d1cks,i don't care!- cause the one thing i do know for a fact is that my son is a real talent,passionate about reaching his goal in life-that means going to uni,getting an official document to prove his talent etc,if that means he has to pay a stupid amount of money to do so-that will make it all worth while for me.

people in this country go on about students taking the p1ss & living a p1ss take lifestyle. -fine but don't tar every student with the same brush! cause it just isn't the case!

it's like saying that every person on benefits doesn't deserve the financial help they deserve!

if someone has talent & is motivated to want to suceed in life,why the feck should they have to pay a stupid amount of money in the first place to de-motivate them,it just doesn't make sence to me & never will.

A similar thing with my oldest. He is a wizard in computer animation, and like I mentioned in the other protest thread, he spent the day at Hull university and was told it would cost him £3000. We simply dont have the money, and I refuse in principle to pay it anyway. The way I look at it is this, he is bright, he is already talented and has picked up numerous awards for what he has done. We spent one evening at our town hall invited to a ceremony as my lad was chosen as the best of his year for IT.

University is a luxury. It looks good on any cv, but what works better is the tried and true "hands on" approach. The alternatives to university are great. My plans for my lad when he leaves school is to get into employment as a trainee where the company makes use of what talent he has, and through there own training scheme and experience of employment, improve on that.

University is not the be all and end all of education. I aim to get my kid making use of the talent he has while gaining the experience of a working environment, something a university cannot give. And to me, its this that makes all the difference.

[redhayesy]

that is where we will have to agree to dis-agree, uni isn't a luxury!- no fecking way,no way! you reep what you sow in life- that's a fact! if you work fecking hard in life,at college-get the grades you deserve, then you deserve to go to uni- you earn the right to go to uni!

the amount of people who have dropped out of college & uni through attitude in this country is another thing! i'm banging the drum for all the people in this country who whatever their background have a desire to acheive their dream through hard work & natural talent- should never,ever be denied end of.