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I think having the army on the streets is a bit of an overeaction! Over here we grew up with soldiers on the corners and saracens on the roads! Its not a feeling of security to see this,it makes u feel as if u are living in a war zone and believe it or not home feels unhomely!
I think London should simply weather the storm,sit tight,be London and be British and continue to go about everyday life! If one small thing changes In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks,let it be the fact that all people should be more proud to be British than before! Apart from the awful killing of this poor Brazilian guy the response has been great and the attitude'they wont win' even better!Time to keep chins up and stand together not declare marshall law,this would only let them win as people would be living in terror and that is what terrorists want!!

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Look if the terrorist attacks had not taken place a few days before then that man would still be alive now, wouldnt he?
So even though the police shot him it was due to the terrorist attacks end of story.

CORRECT. The blood of Jean Charles de Menezes lies solely on the hands of the terrorists. FULL STOP.

Would there or would there not have been armed police swarming all over Londons tube stations had it not been for the attacks a few days earlier?
No there wouldnt have been and he would have just got on that train like he probably did every day, before that happened. He would still be alive had there not have been attacks, i dont care what anyone says, when these people put the fear of god into people using there name TERROR ist thats what they do is terrorise people and the whole country was in fear at that particular time.

Ur right Lynds!! This unfortunate event was simply an aftershock of terrorism,its not good its not right, but it happens!!Evil breeds evil ! It's wrong!!

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Everybody here is saying terrorism, says who?? We have been given nothing to prove this was a terrorist attack!!! I will therefore assume none of you watched the two links on the last page, or if you did you have dismissed them!!!!

Very, very surprising, I obviously gave people here a lot more credit than it seems some deserve!!!
If you have not already watch the two videos and explain them to me please!!!!

[neilE]

its certainly true that this guy is another death from terrorism. IF the police were really on the ball that would be that. If the situation was that the police had cornered and shot 4 or 5 genuine terrorists, and then this awful mistake happened, I would be happy to agree that it's "end of story". But that's not what happened - only one guy was shot, and he was completely innocent. Someone fcuked up - and if the recent news has any truth in it, they fcuked up real bad. There should be an enquiry, and if someone was negligent, or has tried to cover up what happened, they should pay for it. I do not want my country to end up the kind of place where the authorities can just say "whoops, sorry bout that", and just carry on regardless ( i know LA will say it already is, but I'm not quite that despondent yet!)

[Ciggy]

Everybody here is saying terrorism, says who?? We have been given nothing to prove this was a terrorist attack!!! I will therefore assume none of you watched the two links on the last page, or if you did you have dismissed them!!!!

Very, very surprising, I obviously gave people here a lot more credit than it seems some deserve!!!
If you have not already watch the two videos and explain them to me please!!!!

No one is saying he was a terrorist, people are saying he was shot due to the events that week, and I havent watched no vids to comment, and im tired now and cant be bothered getting into a long debate with you.

[Woollyback]

Everybody here is saying terrorism, says who?? We have been given nothing to prove this was a terrorist attack!!! I will therefore assume none of you watched the two links on the last page, or if you did you have dismissed them!!!!

Very, very surprising, I obviously gave people here a lot more credit than it seems some deserve!!!
If you have not already watch the two videos and explain them to me please!!!!

c'mon karim ffs, they know who the first suicide bombers were and they all happened to be islamist extremists, we do NOT live in a country where the government orders mass civillian deaths just to justify their policies. You might think so, but no. Ours is a free country and although i'm sure the government get up to allsorts of tricks i would bet my balls they don't murder people for political means

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No you dont seem to see my point here, everyone is saying he was killed due to the previous Terrorsit atrocity, but we have not been given the details to say 100% this attack was the work of terrorists, if you bother to watch the VERY short videos, you will see that the 'Mastermind' of the attack has worked for Mi6 and allowedd to get away on a number of occasions, and when the USA wanted him to talk to him the intelligence agency basically said no...........Explain that to me!!!   I bet you cant!!!

I am sorry but I am still reluctant to beleive this was a terrorist attack until I see some concrete evidence, where are the bodies, how did they identify the supposed 'terrorsist' in the wreckage?? Do they have fingerprints, dental records, what??
Its all gone quiet on that front!!!

We were lied to about the Brazilian guy, so why is it so far fetched that we were lied to about the attacks too??

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Everybody here is saying terrorism, says who?? We have been given nothing to prove this was a terrorist attack!!! I will therefore assume none of you watched the two links on the last page, or if you did you have dismissed them!!!!

Very, very surprising, I obviously gave people here a lot more credit than it seems some deserve!!!
If you have not already watch the two videos and explain them to me please!!!!

c'mon karim ffs, they know who the first suicide bombers were and they all happened to be islamist extremists, we do NOT live in a country where the government orders mass civillian deaths just to justify their policies. You might think so, but no. Ours is a free country and although i'm sure the government get up to allsorts of tricks i would bet my balls they don't murder people for political means

Sorry Wools, but I disagree.

Where is the evidence for this??  What are we supposed to believe what THEY have told us?? Just like we (not me!) believed the Police Commisioner!!!

When I see better evidence etc; then fair enough,but all we have are reports and nothing else!!!

[stmichael]

I'll re-emphasis the main questions again as far as I'm concerned.

1) Did police identify themselves and was there a chance for de Menezes to surrender?

Following the 9/11 attacks in the United States, British police were given guidelines on dealing with suicide bombers in confidential briefing papers. They state officers should "not attempt to approach, challenge and/or negotiate" with suspected bombers as this could be "likely to trigger denotation".

But Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair claimed his armed officers had challenged de Menezes, and that he did not obey their orders.

All the officers were dressed in plain clothes and none of the witnesses has so far described hearing the word "police".

2) Why was he not stopped earlier?

De Menezes lived in a block of flats under surveillance as a suspected bombers' hideout.

Yet he was allowed to board a bus near his home, before reaching the Tube station.

The mystery of the winter coat.

Official sources originally said de Menezes had been wearing a padded fleece jacket, creating the suspicion that he could be concealing something close to his body. His family have now been told he was in fact wearing a denim jacket.

3) When did he start running and who jumped over the ticket barrier?

Initial witness accounts suggested the Brazilian had vaulted over the ticket barrier at Stockwell station, causing further fear and alarm. Police now say he had in fact used his weekly Travelcard to get through. It now appears that the description of someone jumping over the barriers could in fact have been of a police officer in pursuit of his quarry.

Witnesses have said that by the time he reached the train de Menezes was running for his life. So did he mistake the police for muggers or terrorists? CCTV from the station could hold the key.

4) Why did he run from officers?

It has been suggested that he may have been trying to escape from police because he was living in London illegally.

However, friends insist he was not frightened by encounters with officers. Just days before he was allegedly stopped by police in a random search who examined his documents and electrician's tool bag.

5) Was the intelligence flawed and who authorised the shooting?

It remains unclear whether the police knew exactly which flat the suspected bomber was living in.

The IPCC will want to know if they were in fact watching the wrong flat.

6) Could they have used a stun gun?

Sir Ian Blair has insisted lethal force was the only available option to his officers, but the use of a Taser stun gun by West Midlands police on Wednesday during the arrest of Yasin Hassan Omar begs the question, could de Menezes have been brought down alive?

So many questions, so few answers.

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Are you forgetting that one of the families of one of the 'bombers' had no idea he was an 'extremist', and have we heard anything from the other families?? Dont think so!!

Actually yes, there was the young lass from Luton (or somewhere) who has a young baby who refuse to believe her husband would do this, especially with a very young child (newborn I believe).

I am sorry not evidence for me yet TBH!!!

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could de Menezes have been brought down alive?

So many questions, so few answers.

Of course he could!!!

For all we know, he could have been an electrical worker that had some knowledge of an 'inside job' as he could have possibly worked on the trains doing electrical work for all we know!!! So they had to take hom out?!!?!!?

Just a theory of my own making, but it is as plausible as anything else IMO, we will never know, well not until we are old enough not to care about it anymore!!!

[Ciggy]

Are you forgetting that one of the families of one of the 'bombers' had no idea he was an 'extremist', and have we heard anything from the other families?? Dont think so!!

Actually yes, there was the young lass from Luton (or somewhere) who has a young baby who refuse to believe her husband would do this, especially with a very young child (newborn I believe).

I am sorry not evidence for me yet TBH!!!

See what I mean this is why I get p*ssed off. the 4 of them where together in Luton so why did these 4 all carrying rugsacks all go in 4 different directions and on the 3 different tubes and the bus it just so happened that 4 bombs went off, give me a f@cking break.
And that other lot that failed to detenate there bombs I suppose it was Tony Blair and his cronies in disguise. So you would have us believe.
I suppose your gona tell us now that the 19 highjackers on 9/11 all there familys didnt have a clue either

[Woollyback]

killing him was obviously a horrible mistake but the blame still lies squarely at the door of the terrorists, without whom the police wouldn't have shot anybody.

LA I understand your point about proof but please don't tell me you seriously think the London bombings were the work of some secret government agency and not islamist extremist terrorists?

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Are you forgetting that one of the families of one of the 'bombers' had no idea he was an 'extremist', and have we heard anything from the other families?? Dont think so!!

Actually yes, there was the young lass from Luton (or somewhere) who has a young baby who refuse to believe her husband would do this, especially with a very young child (newborn I believe).

I am sorry not evidence for me yet TBH!!!

See what I mean this is why I get p*ssed off. the 4 of them where together in Luton so why did these 4 all carrying rugsacks all go in 4 different directions and one the 3 different tubes and the bus it just so happened that 4 bombs went off, give me a f@cking break.
And that other lot that failed to detenate there bombs I suppose it was Tony Blair and his cronies in disguise. So you would have us believe.

I dont have time to break evrything down for you, if you are not willing to do some research, then fair enough.

You just go on believing the Governemnt and the 'Officaial Story'.

But dont complain when all these new stringent laws come into place in the name of terrorism. This attack was a means of speeding up the process of bringing in Drachonian laws -  But you just sit back and lose the little freedom you actually have left!!!

Look I know these things are hard to comprehend, but its better you realise it before too late!!!  You were the one posting 'Have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11' blah blah blah, but you are back to your old ways and forgeting about what you saw......Think who is Americas best friend, if they do it, why cant the British government.
And furthermore Fahrenheight 9/11, doesnt give you the proper story - think about it, it would not have been commisioned to go in te cinema if there were REAL controversial things in it!!!
You need to find something else to get the WHOLE picture, but TBH I am sick and tired if giving links for people to watch or links for films to d/load, if people are not bothered then why should I be bothered to try and help and inform people??



 

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Right !!! F_ck up  Liverpoolanytime!It was a regretful event that he was shot but people like u make me angry!! FACT    In a state of panic Britain made a mistake and shot the wrong man!
I feel that Britain has a duty to apologise for his death to the family and never will we be able to bring him back unfortunately!
My point is though,if terrorists dont  attack us people will live in a civilised society and respect eachother!
But dont blame us when buses explode in rush hour and our countrymen die if we dont appear very fu-kin friendly!
And by the way His Visa expired 2 yrs ago as well and there was no record of an appplication for an extension so if he was in Brasil(where he was meant to be)Shi-ty Britain would not have inflicted such a loss!! Not our fault people cant read passports!!God save the Queen!!