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I dont want to knock your belief that Adam and Eve where the first people Shanks but if you read the bible they had 2 sons Cain and Able. One son I think it was Cain, killed the other son and ran away ,AND JOINED ANOTHER TRIBE! ? If Adam and Eve were the first people where did this other tribe come from?

It has been proved by DNA that we are decended from apes (you can see the resemblence for yourself in some people   )

If you think about it logically if there was a god he wasnt very fair was he. Look after the Jews and sod everyone else! Just because they didnt worship him they had to lose their lands and have thousands killed. Everytime something bad happened it was cos' god was angry, every time something good happened it was because god helped.

Look what he did to that poor sod Job, he went through all sorts of troubles just because god had a bet. Thats not exactly a loving god is it?

What about the Dodo and all the other creatures he "created " that have become extinct ? I suppose he had no further use for them so sod em? Yet Jesus goes on about even the birds being under gods hand. Tell that to the great auk !

Sorry Shanks, I would love to have faith like you but I cant. I have actually read the Bible and its a good story but so is Lord of the Rings. I dont believe in Elves either.

[Woollyback]

I dont want to knock your belief that Adam and Eve where the first people Shanks but if you read the bible they had 2 sons Cain and Able. One son I think it was Cain, killed the other son and ran away ,AND JOINED ANOTHER TRIBE! ? If Adam and Eve were the first people where did this other tribe come from?

It has been proved by DNA that we are decended from apes (you can see the resemblence for yourself in some people   )

If you think about it logically if there was a god he wasnt very fair was he. Look after the Jews and sod everyone else! Just because they didnt worship him they had to lose their lands and have thousands killed. Everytime something bad happened it was cos' god was angry, every time something good happened it was because god helped.

Look what he did to that poor sod Job, he went through all sorts of troubles just because god had a bet. Thats not exactly a loving god is it?

What about the Dodo and all the other creatures he "created " that have become extinct ? I suppose he had no further use for them so sod em? Yet Jesus goes on about even the birds being under gods hand. Tell that to the great auk !

Sorry Shanks, I would love to have faith like you but I cant. I have actually read the Bible and its a good story but so is Lord of the Rings. I dont believe in Elves either.

amen brother

i've no doubt there was once a bloke called jesus who did lots of good stuff for his fellow men but a lot of the bible's less believable stories are the result of extreme superstition, embellished by 2000 years' worth of chinese whispers, the kind of stuff that in the 21st century can be proved to be utter nonsense.

i think the more realistic christians amongst us treat the bilble as a book of metaphors rather than a book of absolute truths, enabling them to be more accepting of alternative ideas than many other religions are

[red37]

I dont want to knock your belief that Adam and Eve where the first people Shanks but if you read the bible they had 2 sons Cain and Able. One son I think it was Cain, killed the other son and ran away ,AND JOINED ANOTHER TRIBE! ? If Adam and Eve were the first people where did this other tribe come from?

It has been proved by DNA that we are decended from apes (you can see the resemblence for yourself in some people   )

If you think about it logically if there was a god he wasnt very fair was he. Look after the Jews and sod everyone else! Just because they didnt worship him they had to lose their lands and have thousands killed. Everytime something bad happened it was cos' god was angry, every time something good happened it was because god helped.

Look what he did to that poor sod Job, he went through all sorts of troubles just because god had a bet. Thats not exactly a loving god is it?

What about the Dodo and all the other creatures he "created " that have become extinct ? I suppose he had no further use for them so sod em? Yet Jesus goes on about even the birds being under gods hand. Tell that to the great auk !

Sorry Shanks, I would love to have faith like you but I cant. I have actually read the Bible and its a good story but so is Lord of the Rings. I dont believe in Elves either.

well put over saint.

[dawson99]

The bible is all about interpretation though. I always see the old testament as stories, tales of how to lead a better life, i do however believe in the new testament but i think there are many lost gospels tha the catholic church is keeping hidden from us.

Everyone is allowed to believe what they like though

[Mikz]

Exactly brother! Just cos it says Adam and eve were the first , doesnt mean he didnt carry on creating etc
The New testament makes good reading but the Old seems like some supernatural time Atlantis

Id say theres a few gospels locked up in the vatican

[shanks72]

read up on your Darwin/Bryson shanks....even a listen of Patrick Moore might help. 

btw Patrick Moore is a christian, so he probably doesn't believe in the theory of evolution either..   

[red37]

read up on your Darwin/Bryson shanks....even a listen of Patrick Moore might help. 

btw Patrick Moore is a christian, so he probably doesn't believe in the theory of evolution either..   

no. but he knows a thing or two about 'beautiful sunsets'

[shanks72]

The hills bring him their produce, and all the wild animals play nearby.

ok shanks there is a contradiction.

if other wild animals play nearby then he must be referring to an animal, as during the time of dinosaurs there were no wild animals, only other dinosaurs

Were there no other animals?

In Genesis 1: 21, it says "And God created great whales and
every living creature that moveth......and every winged fowl..
....the fifth day" (v23)


He is quite capable of making a universe in six days...
but it does say somewhere in the Bible that:

'With God, a thousand years are as one day
and one day as a thousand years..'

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read up on your Darwin/Bryson shanks....even a listen of Patrick Moore might help. 

btw Patrick Moore is a christian, so he probably doesn't believe in the theory of evolution either..   

Patrick Moore is a christian ,but probably believes in evolution (most christians do!)

most christians also believe "thou shalt not kill" but it doesnt stop them believing war or hanging is right, when the circumstances dictate it.

Its called rationalisation. People adapt and change things until they arrive at something that suits their personality, mood and personal philosophy. ie something in the bible doesnt work for you , change it and rationalise by saying that that part was a story not meant to be believed.(but the rest is the gospel truth ,as they say)

For example Gays in the bible are castigated but rationalise and its O.K. to be Gay.

An "eye for an eye" god says, but rationalise and just slap their wrist, god probably didnt mean it !

I Cor. 14:34 -- "Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the Law."

I Cor. 14:35 -- "And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in church.

Lets have women priests and vicars (god was only joking)

[shanks72]

I cant believe this S@int I just spent ages typing out a reply to your post about Adam and Eve and I lost it!!!!

Will have to do it all again...and try and remember what I wrote...

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I cant believe this S@int I just spent ages typing out a reply to your post about Adam and Eve and I lost it!!!!

Will have to do it all again...and try and remember what I wrote...

To be honest Shanks its not worth it. I dont want to offend you ,or change your views, and I would only be arguing to win the argument ,which is stupid.

Better that I am wrong and you are right, than I am right and you are wrong anyway. 

[shanks72]

I dont want to knock your belief that Adam and Eve where the first people Shanks but if you read the bible they had 2 sons Cain and Able. One son I think it was Cain, killed the other son and ran away ,AND JOINED ANOTHER TRIBE! ? If Adam and Eve were the first people where did this other tribe come from?

It has been proved by DNA that we are decended from apes (you can see the resemblence for yourself in some people   )

If you think about it logically if there was a god he wasnt very fair was he. Look after the Jews and sod everyone else! Just because they didnt worship him they had to lose their lands and have thousands killed. Everytime something bad happened it was cos' god was angry, every time something good happened it was because god helped.

Look what he did to that poor sod Job, he went through all sorts of troubles just because god had a bet. Thats not exactly a loving god is it?

What about the Dodo and all the other creatures he "created " that have become extinct ? I suppose he had no further use for them so sod em? Yet Jesus goes on about even the birds being under gods hand. Tell that to the great auk !

Sorry Shanks, I would love to have faith like you but I cant. I have actually read the Bible and its a good story but so is Lord of the Rings. I dont believe in Elves either.

Don't worry S@int, you wont knock my belief....

What you say is true but as Mikz has said God could have made other people and thought it not relevant to go into it which is quite feasible.

I have never heard that it has been proved that we are descended from apes as I know we are not and I would dispute any so called scientific "evidence". They have made mistakes and will do again.

Also an interesting fact is that God put man in a deep sleep and took one of man's ribs and made a woman...
(Genesis 2:21 & 22).

I think I am right in saying that it is a medical fact today that men have one less rib than women.

The Jews are God's chosen people. As I understand it, He had to have a nation that was His into which, one day, His saviour could be born.
It wouldn't have been much good Jesus being born to a people who didn't believe in God.

I know that God is good...
The people you mention were killed because they were evil.
Apparently terrible things went on in these nations.
Bad things happened because men were sinful and they were blessed when they weren't. During these times anyway.

Job was tested, yes, and he lost everything.
But he stayed loyal to God and after the test he was blessed with more riches etc. than he had at the beginning, so I think he was pretty pleased.

Alot of animals become extinct because of man, rather than God, I would think.
(Apart from the dinosaurs!)

You have also mentioned suffering in another post:
This is a 'fallen world' and was cursed when man first sinned.
I don't know why God allows pain, I don't have all the answers.

Pain and suffering come to christians as well as others, we are not exempt.
A christian lady that my parents know has just been diagnosed with liver cancer. The doctor told her and she said "that's fine".
He said "You do realise what I've just told you?' She replied 'Yes, I will be going to a better place than here'.
A man up the road that I knew years ago (who actually married my parents) died of liver cancer.
He was a christian. The doctor said to him "I bet that's knocked your faith" and he replied "not at all".

I don't know if I would be as brave....
but their faith has hepled them and also the knowledge that Jesus suffered while he was on this earth. I bet going to the cross wasn't a piece of cake.
But He did it to save my miserable soul, so I can at least be grateful.

I'd just like to say that there are people out there who know more about the Bible than me and I have just tried to do my best.
I don't have all the answers and it is an interesting discussion. All I know is that the Bible is true, not part of it or bits of it, but all of it.
My fav part is the old testament as I love the TRUE stories in there...

God knew humans would want to know where they came from that is why He wrote Genesis to tell us and what do we do?
Go round looking for answers elsewhere.
Genesis tells how the world began and the Revelation (with it's imagery) tells how it will end.

One of my fav verses is from the Revelation:
chapter 1:7: "He will come in the clouds, and every eye shall see Him.."
When I was a little girl I used to read this and although I believed it, I wondered how everyone would see Him.

But of course with the use of satellites and tvs etc. it will now be possible for 'every eye to see..'
Pictures of Christ's second coming will be beamed around the world and I bet John, who wrote the book of Revelation didn't know this, all those years ago. But God did.

I know not everyone believes this and you are all entitled to believe what you wish.
I am not a nutter... I believe God's word and this is what it tells me...

Finished at last!!! Now I have to do some ironing!!   

[shanks72]

I cant believe this S@int I just spent ages typing out a reply to your post about Adam and Eve and I lost it!!!!

Will have to do it all again...and try and remember what I wrote...

To be honest Shanks its not worth it. I dont want to offend you ,or change your views, and I would only be arguing to win the argument ,which is stupid.

Better that I am wrong and you are right, than I am right and you are wrong anyway. 

[shanks72]

Oh and just quickly, getting back to the topic...

I would like to go back to the court of Henry viii as I would like to see Anne Boleyn.
Fascinated by her life and of course think she got a raw deal from Henry!!

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shanks, you may as well just believe in a magic chipmunk, is just as likely to be true as the claptrap you have written above