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[NANNY RED]

Looks like hes gonns fight Roy Jones now

[NiftyNeil]

Fecking Setanta

I got up to watch it, every channel was working except setanta. No satellite signal.

[Big Niall]

It was a hard fight to score.

Calzaghe was the one pushing the pace but I thought he looked terrible, didn't land any decent punches. He just about deserved the win because Hopkins was spoiling and only fighting in patches.

If Hopkins wasn't in his mid forties he'd have Murdered Calzaghe. No way Calzaghe gets legend status by beating middle aged men (even Roy Jones).

Calzaghe deserved to win though - just!

[Ace Ventura]

I was really really disappointed with Hopkins, age is no excuse he spoiled that fight, and the right man won without doubt.
First three rounds Hopkins was on top and landed some very decent right hands that seemed to have Calzaghe a bit worried, at that point i had Calzaghe 4 rounds down because of the knock down.
After that some of the rounds were close, mainly due to Hopkins spoiling tactics, mauling Calzaghe at every opportunity. How could Cortez allow that to go on all through the fight after what he was like with Hatton 

Hopkins antics as well when he got caught with the low blow were well OTT, he was caught but not with a big shot and was taking as much time as possible to have a breather. The second time wasnt even a low blow either, disgraceful.

I had it in the end Calzaghe by about 3 rounds, which is some achievement after the nightmare first 3 rounds.
Like peewee said the judge that give it to Hopkins is the joke.

I dont think Joe deserves criticism for the performance, there is not much anyone could of done with Hopkins not opting to fight for the majority of the fight.

[Big Niall]

You must agree though, beating a 43 year old man does NOT get Calzaghe legendary status.

He should have fought Hopkins,Roy Jones junior and James Toney in their primes to get that but instead was happy to be in wales fighting for wbo title.

He deserved the win though. He should retire now as fighting Roy Jones (best fighter in last 20 years but 10 years past his peak) won't prove anything.

[Red @ Heart]

You must agree though, beating a 43 year old man does NOT get Calzaghe legendary status.

He should have fought Hopkins,Roy Jones junior and James Toney in their primes to get that but instead was happy to be in wales fighting for wbo title.

He deserved the win though. He should retire now as fighting Roy Jones (best fighter in last 20 years but 10 years past his peak) won't prove anything.

Obviously you havent been following Calzhage Big Nial he (Calzaghe) offered Bernard hopkins a fight years ago and Hopkins declined the bout, Calzaghe has asked most of the top Fighters through the years and they declined, And as legendary status that doesnt come in one fight, it comes through defending his title 21 fúcking times thats how legendary comes, hes beaten everyone thats been put in front of him no matter how bad or good they are, he is a champion and he is now a LEGEND, and so what if he fights in wales, i think Hatton had all his fights in manchester and lost in america is he a legend?

Some of you underate Joe its hard to believe.

[Ace Ventura]

You must agree though, beating a 43 year old man does NOT get Calzaghe legendary status.

He should have fought Hopkins,Roy Jones junior and James Toney in their primes to get that but instead was happy to be in wales fighting for wbo title.

He deserved the win though. He should retire now as fighting Roy Jones (best fighter in last 20 years but 10 years past his peak) won't prove anything.

No it doesnt imo, i think Calzaghe is a victim of being saddled with Frank Warren as a promoter. Warren could and should of got him far bigger and better fights in the last 5-6 years but instead wanted to protect his fighters unbeaten record and kept him at home and in most of his fights against people who were always going to be easy for him, protecting his investment so to speak.
Like he did with Hatton until Ricky f'cked him off, since then Hatton has been fighting big names ever since.
Joe should of done something similar to Ricky a long time ago.
Its a shame but it will always be a blemish on his otherwise fantastic record imho !

[Red @ Heart]

You must agree though, beating a 43 year old man does NOT get Calzaghe legendary status.

He should have fought Hopkins,Roy Jones junior and James Toney in their primes to get that but instead was happy to be in wales fighting for wbo title.

He deserved the win though. He should retire now as fighting Roy Jones (best fighter in last 20 years but 10 years past his peak) won't prove anything.

No it doesnt imo, i think Calzaghe is a victim of being saddled with Frank Warren as a promoter. Warren could and should of got him far bigger and better fights in the last 5-6 years but instead wanted to protect his fighters unbeaten record and kept him at home and in most of his fights against people who were always going to be easy for him, protecting his investment so to speak.
Like he did with Hatton until Ricky f'cked him off, since then Hatton has been fighting big names ever since.
Joe should of done something similar to Ricky a long time ago.
Its a shame but it will always be a blemish on his otherwise fantastic record imho !

Thx ace, your comment just my comments off , i never in a milion years would have looked at it in your point of view, but calzaghe did want to fight the big guys, not that there was much out there, but maybe frank did over protect. well said mate.

[Ace Ventura]

You must agree though, beating a 43 year old man does NOT get Calzaghe legendary status.

He should have fought Hopkins,Roy Jones junior and James Toney in their primes to get that but instead was happy to be in wales fighting for wbo title.

He deserved the win though. He should retire now as fighting Roy Jones (best fighter in last 20 years but 10 years past his peak) won't prove anything.

No it doesnt imo, i think Calzaghe is a victim of being saddled with Frank Warren as a promoter. Warren could and should of got him far bigger and better fights in the last 5-6 years but instead wanted to protect his fighters unbeaten record and kept him at home and in most of his fights against people who were always going to be easy for him, protecting his investment so to speak.
Like he did with Hatton until Ricky f'cked him off, since then Hatton has been fighting big names ever since.
Joe should of done something similar to Ricky a long time ago.
Its a shame but it will always be a blemish on his otherwise fantastic record imho !

Thx ace, your comment just my comments off , i never in a milion years would have looked at it in your point of view, but calzaghe did want to fight the big guys, not that there was much out there, but maybe frank did over protect. well said mate.

There's loads of bigger names that Joe should of been in with the likes of Jones, Toney, Hopkins (alot earlier) even Winky Wright.
Proper top fighters that would of given us fans something to really get excited about.

I dont doubt that Joe would fight anyone, he has been badly managed by a greedy promoter.
Its been going on for ages with Warren, he seems to have drummed it in to fighters heads that if they lose then thats it.
Well all of top fighters lose at some point, the likes of Barrera, De la Hoya and them have all lost a few fights, because they have been in with the best.
The only fighter modern day that seems happy to fight anyone and has not lost is Mayweather.

Given me one of the american promoters over Warren any day.

[Big Niall]

Oscar De La Hoya has been the most profitable non heavyweight ever and while he was supremely talented he didn't hide away.

He fought everyone, Trinadad,Mosley, Mayweather, even Chavez  and loads of others, tough fights, he lost some of them but was still willing to take the risk.

Calzaghe should have gone to America long ago. A very good fighter but a wasted potential in my book.

And no - Hatton isn't a legend either. Lennox Lewis is the only legend of British boxing in the modern era. You have to make it in America.

[NANNY RED]

You must agree though, beating a 43 year old man does NOT get Calzaghe legendary status.

He should have fought Hopkins,Roy Jones junior and James Toney in their primes to get that but instead was happy to be in wales fighting for wbo title.

He deserved the win though. He should retire now as fighting Roy Jones (best fighter in last 20 years but 10 years past his peak) won't prove anything.

No it doesnt imo, i think Calzaghe is a victim of being saddled with Frank Warren as a promoter. Warren could and should of got him far bigger and better fights in the last 5-6 years but instead wanted to protect his fighters unbeaten record and kept him at home and in most of his fights against people who were always going to be easy for him, protecting his investment so to speak.
Like he did with Hatton until Ricky f'cked him off, since then Hatton has been fighting big names ever since.
Joe should of done something similar to Ricky a long time ago.
Its a shame but it will always be a blemish on his otherwise fantastic record imho !

Thx ace, your comment just my comments off , i never in a milion years would have looked at it in your point of view, but calzaghe did want to fight the big guys, not that there was much out there, but maybe frank did over protect. well said mate.

There's loads of bigger names that Joe should of been in with the likes of Jones, Toney, Hopkins (alot earlier) even Winky Wright.
Proper top fighters that would of given us fans something to really get excited about.

I dont doubt that Joe would fight anyone, he has been badly managed by a greedy promoter.
Its been going on for ages with Warren, he seems to have drummed it in to fighters heads that if they lose then thats it.
Well all of top fighters lose at some point, the likes of Barrera, De la Hoya and them have all lost a few fights, because they have been in with the best.
The only fighter modern day that seems happy to fight anyone and has not lost is Mayweather.

Given me one of the american promoters over Warren any day.

Do you know what Ace your spot on with that summery anyone whos ever been promoted by Warren has been held back. I just hope he doesnt do the same thing to Khan.

No wonder Terry Marsh tried to shoot him  he ripped him off big style

[Ace Ventura]

Oscar De La Hoya has been the most profitable non heavyweight ever and while he was supremely talented he didn't hide away.

He fought everyone, Trinadad,Mosley, Mayweather, even Chavez  and loads of others, tough fights, he lost some of them but was still willing to take the risk.

Calzaghe should have gone to America long ago. A very good fighter but a wasted potential in my book.

And no - Hatton isn't a legend either. Lennox Lewis is the only legend of British boxing in the modern era. You have to make it in America.

Niall am not saying that Hatton is a legend mate, but at least he had the sense to fook off Warren and get himself to america in his prime.
He could of stayed in his comfort zone and got ok fights in manchester and had massive crowds but wanted to prove himself.
To be fair he hasnt been an amazing success over there, sort of like Hamed, he beat a couple of decent fighters but once he got the big one got beaten, and quite badly in the end.

I still think he is a top fighter who deserves credit and he will come back.

[Ace Ventura]

You must agree though, beating a 43 year old man does NOT get Calzaghe legendary status.

He should have fought Hopkins,Roy Jones junior and James Toney in their primes to get that but instead was happy to be in wales fighting for wbo title.

He deserved the win though. He should retire now as fighting Roy Jones (best fighter in last 20 years but 10 years past his peak) won't prove anything.

No it doesnt imo, i think Calzaghe is a victim of being saddled with Frank Warren as a promoter. Warren could and should of got him far bigger and better fights in the last 5-6 years but instead wanted to protect his fighters unbeaten record and kept him at home and in most of his fights against people who were always going to be easy for him, protecting his investment so to speak.
Like he did with Hatton until Ricky f'cked him off, since then Hatton has been fighting big names ever since.
Joe should of done something similar to Ricky a long time ago.
Its a shame but it will always be a blemish on his otherwise fantastic record imho !

Thx ace, your comment just my comments off , i never in a milion years would have looked at it in your point of view, but calzaghe did want to fight the big guys, not that there was much out there, but maybe frank did over protect. well said mate.

There's loads of bigger names that Joe should of been in with the likes of Jones, Toney, Hopkins (alot earlier) even Winky Wright.
Proper top fighters that would of given us fans something to really get excited about.

I dont doubt that Joe would fight anyone, he has been badly managed by a greedy promoter.
Its been going on for ages with Warren, he seems to have drummed it in to fighters heads that if they lose then thats it.
Well all of top fighters lose at some point, the likes of Barrera, De la Hoya and them have all lost a few fights, because they have been in with the best.
The only fighter modern day that seems happy to fight anyone and has not lost is Mayweather.

Given me one of the american promoters over Warren any day.

Do you know what Ace your spot on with that summery anyone whos ever been promoted by Warren has been held back. I just hope he doesnt do the same thing to Khan.

No wonder Terry Marsh tried to shoot him  he ripped him off big style

You can see he is trying to hold Khan back already Nanny.

Before Khans last fight he was talking of getting him a title shot next fight if he had a good performance.
Khan blew the other fella away, and then afterwards Warren was like....we'll see, maybe not next fight.

The man is full of broken promises and really has been bad for british boxing imo.
People keep harping on about british boxing never being so great because of all the titles that are currently held, but there are that many versions now its quite easy for a half decent boxer to get his hands on a world title.
The lad Gavin Rees springs to mind, in his next fight he was outclassed, but can still say he was a world champ.

[Big Niall]

Oscar De La Hoya has been the most profitable non heavyweight ever and while he was supremely talented he didn't hide away.

He fought everyone, Trinadad,Mosley, Mayweather, even Chavez  and loads of others, tough fights, he lost some of them but was still willing to take the risk.

Calzaghe should have gone to America long ago. A very good fighter but a wasted potential in my book.

And no - Hatton isn't a legend either. Lennox Lewis is the only legend of British boxing in the modern era. You have to make it in America.

Niall am not saying that Hatton is a legend mate, but at least he had the sense to fook off Warren and get himself to america in his prime.
He could of stayed in his comfort zone and got ok fights in manchester and had massive crowds but wanted to prove himself.
To be fair he hasnt been an amazing success over there, sort of like Hamed, he beat a couple of decent fighters but once he got the big one got beaten, and quite badly in the end.

I still think he is a top fighter who deserves credit and he will come back.

agreed.

People forget that Hatton fought Mayweather at Mayweather's weight not Hatton.

I think Hatton is very good and hope that some top fights develop for him at his own weight.

[taff]

Calzaghe was outed as a class act from his amateur days when he outshined Naseem, he has never ignited the public imagination especially after the Benn Eubank era.

However he wanted to fight but was not a box office attraction and the yanks knew exactly how good he was and in all honesty he was the guy that got avoided as he would have taken someones belt for a small amount of money

He also had serious hand injuries which put him back but he still fought as he was conscious of keeping up his profile.

The fact that he is not comfortable with the media should not detract from his achievements and skill, he is one of the best British fighters of all time

I am proud of him being Welsh but this is a non patriotic post and I am amazed at how people dont rate him so, dont always believe the hype