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[Bam]

Can't they just get jobs? there's a fair few jobs out there. I'd rather earn anything than claim, but that's just me. Whilst some fat bint just pops out babies claiming more and more. Almost think there should be a limit to kids for the unemployed but thats just wrong

With the likelyhood of huge redundancies after Christmas looming large , jobs are likely to be at a premium for the next few years mate. There are 1.8 million unemployed at the moment........ the prediction for next year is 3million unemployed as the Global crisis hits home.

If you add in the disabled etc that figure is more likely to be nearer 4million.

But never worry mate the government is dooing everything it can to fight for the poor ......

UK gives aid package to Pakistan 

The UK is giving a £480m support package to Pakistan to help increase security on the Afghanistan border.

Douglas Alexander, the UK international development secretary, said the money would also be focused on education and health projects.

The MP launched the plan at Glasgow Central Mosque, at the end of a UK tour to meet people of Pakistani origin.

The UK wanted to "help ease the suffering of the 36 million poor people living in Pakistan", he added.

More than £250m has been earmarked to increase training for young people and get five million children into school.


    bbc online

Thats strategics though Saint, do you really believe the British Government would hand out all that money for poor Pakistani's ? Their keeping their foot in the door or hands in the pie as its a strategical foothold concerning the war with Afghan, and another tactical spot on the globe for the British.

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Can't they just get jobs? there's a fair few jobs out there. I'd rather earn anything than claim, but that's just me. Whilst some fat bint just pops out babies claiming more and more. Almost think there should be a limit to kids for the unemployed but thats just wrong

With the likelyhood of huge redundancies after Christmas looming large , jobs are likely to be at a premium for the next few years mate. There are 1.8 million unemployed at the moment........ the prediction for next year is 3million unemployed as the Global crisis hits home.

If you add in the disabled etc that figure is more likely to be nearer 4million.

But never worry mate the government is dooing everything it can to fight for the poor ......

UK gives aid package to Pakistan 

The UK is giving a £480m support package to Pakistan to help increase security on the Afghanistan border.

Douglas Alexander, the UK international development secretary, said the money would also be focused on education and health projects.

The MP launched the plan at Glasgow Central Mosque, at the end of a UK tour to meet people of Pakistani origin.

The UK wanted to "help ease the suffering of the 36 million poor people living in Pakistan", he added.

More than £250m has been earmarked to increase training for young people and get five million children into school.


    bbc online

Thats strategics though Saint, do you really believe the British Government would hand out all that money for poor Pakistani's ? Their keeping their foot in the door or hands in the pie as its a strategical foothold concerning the war with Afghan, and another tactical spot on the globe for the British.

With a lot of second generation Asians holding the balance of power in quite a few constituencies I don't think they have much choice mate.

The least they could have done is ask for a few organs in exchange 

[Bam]

Can't they just get jobs? there's a fair few jobs out there. I'd rather earn anything than claim, but that's just me. Whilst some fat bint just pops out babies claiming more and more. Almost think there should be a limit to kids for the unemployed but thats just wrong

With the likelyhood of huge redundancies after Christmas looming large , jobs are likely to be at a premium for the next few years mate. There are 1.8 million unemployed at the moment........ the prediction for next year is 3million unemployed as the Global crisis hits home.

If you add in the disabled etc that figure is more likely to be nearer 4million.

But never worry mate the government is dooing everything it can to fight for the poor ......

UK gives aid package to Pakistan 

The UK is giving a £480m support package to Pakistan to help increase security on the Afghanistan border.

Douglas Alexander, the UK international development secretary, said the money would also be focused on education and health projects.

The MP launched the plan at Glasgow Central Mosque, at the end of a UK tour to meet people of Pakistani origin.

The UK wanted to "help ease the suffering of the 36 million poor people living in Pakistan", he added.

More than £250m has been earmarked to increase training for young people and get five million children into school.


    bbc online

Thats strategics though Saint, do you really believe the British Government would hand out all that money for poor Pakistani's ? Their keeping their foot in the door or hands in the pie as its a strategical foothold concerning the war with Afghan, and another tactical spot on the globe for the British.

With a lot of second generation Asians holding the balance of power in quite a few constituencies I don't think they have much choice mate.

The least they could have done is ask for a few organs in exchange 

[LegBarnes]

Fu,ck Pakistan,not our problem!

It is it was us that helped them create it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pakistan

[Lando_Griffin]

The truth is far from that Lando. Admittedly a lot do work the system, but the vast majority are struggling on next to nothing week to week.

I used to work for the UBO and later for the DHS. You get the odd one or two who can come in and fill the forms in better than you can. Know every right that they are entitled to, know just what to say , and how to work the system to get just what they want out of it. Most however are just genuine people down on their luck.

The problem is the papers delight in exposing the few that successfully work the system while keeping quiet about the vast majority that struggle from week to week on a pittance.

Anyone can manage on £50per week for one week or one month, but unfortunately these people arn't only reliant on benefits for one week or one month. Things wear out, things get broken, clothes get worn out. Try managing on £50 per week for 12months and you will see the difference. They become depressed and withdrawn (hardly great when looking for work!) and many of them feel helpless and incapable of making decisions that you or I wouldn't think twice about.

There are two sides to every story, don't just believe the one that the press push. Most of the people on benefits would love to have a job, while the minority are probably quite happy working the system. 

The problem is that the minimum wage is set too low, not that benefits are set too high. Yes you have to give some people a reason to get off their a$$ and work, but that shouldn't be by punishing the majority who can't work either through lack of jobs or disability.

For every young girl that gets pregnant to work the system, there are 10 other people in the poverty trap. 

I worked for a very short time in the crisis loans dept at the DHS, people coming in begging for a loan to repair or replace a cooker /toilet/ bath etc. These are not people living off the fat of the land mate, these are desperate people with no where else to go. We spend more on a night out than they spend on food. 

I am sure there are plenty of examples of people living the high life on benefits, but for everyone there is a 100 or maybe a 1000 more living in misery.

The problem is Housing benefit totally distorts peoples view. People see that someone is receiving £200 per week, not the fact that £150 is going on housing because some slum landlord is getting rich off the back of the poor. (I am guessing at figures because its a long time since I worked there)

But hey lets reduce benefits and force them all back into work. Just ignore the majority who would love to work but can't. They can always beg for money on the streets.

I was targeting those who work the system, not those genuinely hard up or disabled.

It bothers me greatly when I go to some scumbag's house, only to find that, despite it being a sh*t tip, they've got a 50" tele and all the latest designer clobber. The latest mobiles, the latest computer consoles, and high-performance cars.

In fact, it really f*cks me off. How they come by it, is another matter. But whilst there's no incentive (or necessity) for them to go out and earn a crust, they never will. They've always got "something" wrong with them, meaning they "can't" work.

Generally speaking, in terms of these types, it's pure bone-idle c*ntery.

And yet you say :-

Make it PAY to work. That's the solution. Like it or lump it, the poor should get poorer until they learn to do a fair day's work. 

So how do you target the poor without targeting those who are genuinely hard up or disabled? Infact the truth is its the genuinely poor who will be hardest hit by any reduction in benefits, as the ones that work the system will no doubt either be able to work the system still more, or if things get too bad actually get a fkn job. While the old the genuinely disabled and the poorest members of society will have no such options, and will just have to suffer even more hardships.

I'm not calling for a reduction in benefits for those who genuinely need it, I'm calling for a clamp-down on who gets it in the first place.

Give Johnny Ballbag the choice of starving to death or getting off his a*se and labouring at the nearest building site, and I believe we'll see a sudden upturn in his work ethic.

If not, and he chooses to starve to death, it's one less leech sucking on the anus of humanity.

[kazza 1]

I have been keeping an eye on this thread and have read with interest what has been said. I am on the dole or whatever you wanna call it. I get £60.50 per week and also my rent paid for me (which is appox £37.00 per week). I dont want to be on the dole but I have just come off the sick, which I was on for a year. I signed myself off the sick as I was pi$$ed off sitting the house and I thought I would be able to walk into a job. But as off yet, nothing.  Thats not because I dont want to work, but because the is nothing out. there. The only jobs are in the public sector or the civial service and they tend to employ within their own ranks.
Tbh the last thing I want to be doing is sponging of the tax payer but if its the only way I can feed my family then so be it. I would be more than happy to go and sweep the streets or clean graffitti of walls to earn my dole money.
The only problem is that with the credit crunch, more people are loosing their jobs so its gonna make it a lot harder to get a job. I was told by a friend that her 16 year old son went to their local Tesco for a part time job and was told there was 22 jobs going and 465 people had put in for them. My own son works part time in Thorntons and was contracted for 20 hours a week and they have been cut back to 8!!
I'm sick of filling in application forms only to get a letter back telling me that I was not successful at even getting an interview. I had a brilliant education. I have 7 CSE's 3 of which are grade 1's, which would be the same as the old O levels. I also GOML levels 1 to 4 in Spanish. But still no luck.
I do agree with people who say that there are people who are on the dole and dont want to work. I see them in the DHS every fortnight. They have no interest. I also know quite a few people who claim disabilty allowance and theres nothing wrong with them. But then I know people who should be getting it and have been turned down!!
I agree with the goverment trying to clamp down on spongers but with so little jobs around its gonna be hard from them to do it.

[Kharhaz]

All comes down to education at end of day we teach kids math , english this and that but we don't teach them what life is really like , its a hard world out there and its a shock for most of them when they leave school.

I say we need to rethink school all together.

This I agree with. We should go back to the old fashion ways. Misbehave in school, you will get a cane on your backside, a ruler across your knuckles.

Only in recent times has it been a necessity to teach kids about sex, in depth, and what it means and what do we have?

Increased teenage pregnancies. When I was a kid, we were taught the basics and guess what? we got by !

It seems to me, that the government have interfered so much they are constantly contradicting themselves with the policies they set out.

An example:

Binge drinking. A horrendous problem. The government solve the problem by introducing 24 hour drinking !

This is just one problem that leaves the rest of the country crippled as to how we can combat the problem of binge drinking in the first place.

Now take this problem into account. And the problem that exists in this example are not people claiming benefits, because we cannot afford to drink in pubs.

[Big Niall]

The people on the dole (or other welfare) during the boom years are parasites. All those single mums thinking we should pay to raise their children, and people with "injuries".

People who lost their jobs in the last year (many hard working folk) should get much more than the other scumbags.

[Judge]

The people on the dole (or other welfare) during the boom years are parasites. All those single mums thinking we should pay to raise their children, and people with "injuries".

People who lost their jobs in the last year (many hard working folk) should get much more than the other scumbags.

not so sure that is a good idea - some of those so called scumbags may have genetic disorders preventing them from working

however, i am against giving immigrants free cash handouts, or any other fuc'king foreign dosser claiming benefit when theyve never contributed to our nation.
i mean if you went to their country, you'd get fu'ck all. you even have to pay for health care over in their countries 

[Big Niall]

You don't mind your own scumbags?

There are generations of people who have never worked, who contribute nothing to Britain but leach off your tax money for their council house, dole, childrens allowance etc.

I'd neuter the lot of them so they can't breed future generations of scum. It is a bit Nazi but I'd still actually like it to be done.

In Ireland, foreigners with children (and the children are in their own cheap country) still get children's allowance of about Euro 200 a month per child. PC gone mad 

[Judge]

You don't mind your own scumbags?

There are generations of people who have never worked, who contribute nothing to Britain but leach off your tax money for their council house, dole, childrens allowance etc.

I'd neuter the lot of them so they can't breed future generations of scum. It is a bit Nazi but I'd still actually like it to be done.

In Ireland, foreigners with children (and the children are in their own cheap country) still get children's allowance of about Euro 200 a month per child. PC gone mad 

if its a true scumbag then they should get nowt, but if they are genuine then fair enough

[JoeTerp]

Sounds like there are quite a few waiting of their slice of the cake to me.

maybe you didn't read what I said, but anybody "waiting" for their anything, should go hungry. If you want cake or bread or whatever, work for it. Thats what I am saying.

[Judge]

Sounds like there are quite a few waiting of their slice of the cake to me.

maybe you didn't read what I said, but anybody "waiting" for their anything, should go hungry. If you want cake or bread or whatever, work for it. Thats what I am saying.

how about an orphaned child with no family - shall we make them work for food?

[account deleted by request]

There are 1.8 million unemployed in Britain, with the figure likely to reach 3million by the end of next year. I don't think they can all work for their slice of bread mate. Maybe they should just sell their blood or their bodies instead?

As for the scroungers, maybe they are actually doing the country a favour by not looking for work. Why employ a lazy good for nothing when you can employ someone who actually WANTS to work. If the 200k or so "scumbags" actually got jobs, thats 200k jobs unavailable for the decent people who actually would prefer to work.

[dawson99]

There are 1.8 million unemployed in Britain, with the figure likely to reach 3million by the end of next year. I don't think they can all work for their slice of bread mate. Maybe they should just sell their blood or their bodies instead?

As for the scroungers, maybe they are actually doing the country a favour by not looking for work. Why employ a lazy good for nothing when you can employ someone who actually WANTS to work. If the 200k or so "scumbags" actually got jobs, thats 200k jobs unavailable for the decent people who actually would prefer to work.

Problem is that most of the ones who want to work can't even speak the language. Not having a go at them, they are doing the work for less money than someone from here who will just lap up the benefits instead.