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I understand what you mean Khahaz, but maybe you could try learning the other side of computers? The repair and build side. They charge a fortune for setting up a home network for instance, or simple repairs/upgrades. Plus its cheap to set up....... all you need is a telephone and an ad in a local paper. If it takes off great...... if it doesn't, you might make enough doing the odd job to suppliment your main income anyway.

Like I was saying before, do something you are interested in, but something that could either save you money or make you money at the same time as adding to your CV.

[Kharhaz]

I understand what you mean Khahaz, but maybe you could try learning the other side of computers? The repair and build side. They charge a fortune for setting up a home network for instance, or simple repairs/upgrades. Plus its cheap to set up....... all you need is a telephone and an ad in a local paper. If it takes off great...... if it doesn't, you might make enough doing the odd job to suppliment your main income anyway.

Like I was saying before, do something you are interested in, but something that could either save you money or make you money at the same time as adding to your CV.

I will do that. I was offered a networking course after I finished my IT level 2 but refused, it already took up a year. Easy to look back now in hindsight isnt it ?

[Kharhaz]

The problem is there are millions who have no interest in working,that milk the system,feign disabilities to get free cars and all that!

I forgot to quote this one. This is one of the problems, the biggest being disability. Break a finger and your able to claim for it. The doctors are so inept at looking at so many things, its just easier for them to sign forms sent from the jobcenter rather than look at the people in question. Ask many claimers who dont have a disability and the most important signature is that from there doctor, as long as they have that on a slip that they have requested, any other questions are instantly dismissed.

[Sabre]

The thing to do about the unemployed  is what thatcher done in the 80's , feck em , forget about them and make sh!t loads more of them so they don't feel lonely.
On a serious note , we should start massive capital projects , like the social housing that's going to be needed when people will start to lose there houses because of the recession .
Dig holes and fill them in again , get people earning and spending again and paying taxes . Give them a decent wage so they don't have to rely on benefits . Make affordable childcare available so both parents can work and give business tax breaks for employing people who need the chance to get on the ladder of self responsibilty and contributing to society.
Invest in public tranport projects like the trams in liverpool or the rail network .
Give business the means to have a social consience again like they do in Europe , so big business will think twice about making thousands redundant and not accepting responsibilty for them people .
The people who are made redundant by these massive businesses need money whilst looking for another job , the company that made them redundant should still pay them wages until they have found alternative employment or pay there mortgages for them . SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY.  That will do for now comrades.

I like your views

Most if not all the things that you propose are beautiful, but not easy to be done. Our governments try to keep happy the guys from Nissan, Microsoft, Audi, and if you annoy these guys making them pay the people they fire, or you put them limits in the way they fire people, they close their factories, they go somewhere else, and they leave 16000 people on the dole with no hesitation.

This doesn't mean social responsability could not be better fulfilled if for instance lots of money weren't lost on corruption in my country, or the military money was reduced. For instance, Spain has been financing with other countries the fúcking EuroFighter. Is it necessary to develop a new aircraft when there's not an military race and you could simply do with existing F-models? I understand the need for security and military spending, but I don't understand my country answers buying new aircrafts only because Morocco or Argelia have done so. That is, I think that unemployment is a more direct threat to my society than a possible attack from the moors (plus, what's the NATO for?)

Why is it spent so much money? to care about our security or giving billionaire contracts to some important friends?

Our government will see how they manage all this, but people, when is hungry, is dangerous and when the system go beyond the limits the people respond. In Greece, in Spain, and everywhere.

As for Karhaz, I wish you luck, and I think what Barry says is very true. Keep up looking.

[Lando_Griffin]

Some very god points raised in this thread, the beast of which is the one about folks being unable to "afford" to work.

Who in their right mind would get up at 6am every day to work 10 hours in a factory for £250 per week, then go home and pay hundreds of pounds in bills, when they can sit receiving benefits and be financially better off for doing f*ck all?

The amount of dole-dossers who've got plasma teles, Playstation 3's, 2 cars per household, etc, is f*cking ridiculous. They sit there with the central heating blasting out all day, and rather than switch the f*cker off, they leave it on and open the windows! (But then - why should they care, right? I mean - it's not them who have to pay it...)

Make it PAY to work. That's the solution. Like it or lump it, the poor should get poorer until they learn to do a fair day's work.

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The truth is far from that Lando. Admittedly a lot do work the system, but the vast majority are struggling on next to nothing week to week.

I used to work for the UBO and later for the DHS. You get the odd one or two who can come in and fill the forms in better than you can. Know every right that they are entitled to, know just what to say , and how to work the system to get just what they want out of it. Most however are just genuine people down on their luck.

The problem is the papers delight in exposing the few that successfully work the system while keeping quiet about the vast majority that struggle from week to week on a pittance.

Anyone can manage on £50per week for one week or one month, but unfortunately these people arn't only reliant on benefits for one week or one month. Things wear out, things get broken, clothes get worn out. Try managing on £50 per week for 12months and you will see the difference. They become depressed and withdrawn (hardly great when looking for work!) and many of them feel helpless and incapable of making decisions that you or I wouldn't think twice about.

There are two sides to every story, don't just believe the one that the press push. Most of the people on benefits would love to have a job, while the minority are probably quite happy working the system. 

The problem is that the minimum wage is set too low, not that benefits are set too high. Yes you have to give some people a reason to get off their a$$ and work, but that shouldn't be by punishing the majority who can't work either through lack of jobs or disability.

For every young girl that gets pregnant to work the system, there are 10 other people in the poverty trap. 

I worked for a very short time in the crisis loans dept at the DHS, people coming in begging for a loan to repair or replace a cooker /toilet/ bath etc. These are not people living off the fat of the land mate, these are desperate people with no where else to go. We spend more on a night out than they spend on food. 

I am sure there are plenty of examples of people living the high life on benefits, but for everyone there is a 100 or maybe a 1000 more living in misery.

The problem is Housing benefit totally distorts peoples view. People see that someone is receiving £200 per week, not the fact that £150 is going on housing because some slum landlord is getting rich off the back of the poor. (I am guessing at figures because its a long time since I worked there)

But hey lets reduce benefits and force them all back into work. Just ignore the majority who would love to work but can't. They can always beg for money on the streets.

[Lando_Griffin]

The truth is far from that Lando. Admittedly a lot do work the system, but the vast majority are struggling on next to nothing week to week.

I used to work for the UBO and later for the DHS. You get the odd one or two who can come in and fill the forms in better than you can. Know every right that they are entitled to, know just what to say , and how to work the system to get just what they want out of it. Most however are just genuine people down on their luck.

The problem is the papers delight in exposing the few that successfully work the system while keeping quiet about the vast majority that struggle from week to week on a pittance.

Anyone can manage on £50per week for one week or one month, but unfortunately these people arn't only reliant on benefits for one week or one month. Things wear out, things get broken, clothes get worn out. Try managing on £50 per week for 12months and you will see the difference. They become depressed and withdrawn (hardly great when looking for work!) and many of them feel helpless and incapable of making decisions that you or I wouldn't think twice about.

There are two sides to every story, don't just believe the one that the press push. Most of the people on benefits would love to have a job, while the minority are probably quite happy working the system. 

The problem is that the minimum wage is set too low, not that benefits are set too high. Yes you have to give some people a reason to get off their a$$ and work, but that shouldn't be by punishing the majority who can't work either through lack of jobs or disability.

For every young girl that gets pregnant to work the system, there are 10 other people in the poverty trap. 

I worked for a very short time in the crisis loans dept at the DHS, people coming in begging for a loan to repair or replace a cooker /toilet/ bath etc. These are not people living off the fat of the land mate, these are desperate people with no where else to go. We spend more on a night out than they spend on food. 

I am sure there are plenty of examples of people living the high life on benefits, but for everyone there is a 100 or maybe a 1000 more living in misery.

The problem is Housing benefit totally distorts peoples view. People see that someone is receiving £200 per week, not the fact that £150 is going on housing because some slum landlord is getting rich off the back of the poor. (I am guessing at figures because its a long time since I worked there)

But hey lets reduce benefits and force them all back into work. Just ignore the majority who would love to work but can't. They can always beg for money on the streets.

I was targeting those who work the system, not those genuinely hard up or disabled.

It bothers me greatly when I go to some scumbag's house, only to find that, despite it being a sh*t tip, they've got a 50" tele and all the latest designer clobber. The latest mobiles, the latest computer consoles, and high-performance cars.

In fact, it really f*cks me off. How they come by it, is another matter. But whilst there's no incentive (or necessity) for them to go out and earn a crust, they never will. They've always got "something" wrong with them, meaning they "can't" work.

Generally speaking, in terms of these types, it's pure bone-idle c*ntery.

[Number 9]

Let them eat cake

more like allow the conditions for people to make their own cake instead of rationing butter to EVERYONE to put on the bread that we give out to EVERYONE for nothing.

That is the most un realistic thing I have ever heard..Tell that to some fat mam in a trailer park that smokes 700 cigs a day,when here fanny is her only social outlet!
Sounds like you are listening to Obama too much,cute but miles off!

[Bam]

The problem is that the minimum wage is set too low

Correct.

Thing is though the minimum wage will never be assesed in the current Global recession. Although the state of the current finacial meltdown makes life tougher through times like this, its the wrong time to be looking for a minimum wage increase, this needs to happen during the boom period. Until then people will have to struggle on through these times as did the people before them did in similar circumstances.

[dawson99]

Can't they just get jobs? there's a fair few jobs out there. I'd rather earn anything than claim, but that's just me. Whilst some fat bint just pops out babies claiming more and more. Almost think there should be a limit to kids for the unemployed but thats just wrong

[account deleted by request]

The truth is far from that Lando. Admittedly a lot do work the system, but the vast majority are struggling on next to nothing week to week.

I used to work for the UBO and later for the DHS. You get the odd one or two who can come in and fill the forms in better than you can. Know every right that they are entitled to, know just what to say , and how to work the system to get just what they want out of it. Most however are just genuine people down on their luck.

The problem is the papers delight in exposing the few that successfully work the system while keeping quiet about the vast majority that struggle from week to week on a pittance.

Anyone can manage on £50per week for one week or one month, but unfortunately these people arn't only reliant on benefits for one week or one month. Things wear out, things get broken, clothes get worn out. Try managing on £50 per week for 12months and you will see the difference. They become depressed and withdrawn (hardly great when looking for work!) and many of them feel helpless and incapable of making decisions that you or I wouldn't think twice about.

There are two sides to every story, don't just believe the one that the press push. Most of the people on benefits would love to have a job, while the minority are probably quite happy working the system. 

The problem is that the minimum wage is set too low, not that benefits are set too high. Yes you have to give some people a reason to get off their a$$ and work, but that shouldn't be by punishing the majority who can't work either through lack of jobs or disability.

For every young girl that gets pregnant to work the system, there are 10 other people in the poverty trap. 

I worked for a very short time in the crisis loans dept at the DHS, people coming in begging for a loan to repair or replace a cooker /toilet/ bath etc. These are not people living off the fat of the land mate, these are desperate people with no where else to go. We spend more on a night out than they spend on food. 

I am sure there are plenty of examples of people living the high life on benefits, but for everyone there is a 100 or maybe a 1000 more living in misery.

The problem is Housing benefit totally distorts peoples view. People see that someone is receiving £200 per week, not the fact that £150 is going on housing because some slum landlord is getting rich off the back of the poor. (I am guessing at figures because its a long time since I worked there)

But hey lets reduce benefits and force them all back into work. Just ignore the majority who would love to work but can't. They can always beg for money on the streets.

I was targeting those who work the system, not those genuinely hard up or disabled.

It bothers me greatly when I go to some scumbag's house, only to find that, despite it being a sh*t tip, they've got a 50" tele and all the latest designer clobber. The latest mobiles, the latest computer consoles, and high-performance cars.

In fact, it really f*cks me off. How they come by it, is another matter. But whilst there's no incentive (or necessity) for them to go out and earn a crust, they never will. They've always got "something" wrong with them, meaning they "can't" work.

Generally speaking, in terms of these types, it's pure bone-idle c*ntery.

And yet you say :-

Make it PAY to work. That's the solution. Like it or lump it, the poor should get poorer until they learn to do a fair day's work. 

So how do you target the poor without targeting those who are genuinely hard up or disabled? Infact the truth is its the genuinely poor who will be hardest hit by any reduction in benefits, as the ones that work the system will no doubt either be able to work the system still more, or if things get too bad actually get a fkn job. While the old the genuinely disabled and the poorest members of society will have no such options, and will just have to suffer even more hardships.

[account deleted by request]

The problem is that the minimum wage is set too low

Correct.

Thing is though the minimum wage will never be assesed in the current Global recession. Although the state of the current finacial meltdown makes life tougher through times like this, its the wrong time to be looking for a minimum wage increase, this needs to happen during the boom period. Until then people will have to struggle on through these times as did the people before them did in similar circumstances.

Yet the government think the best time to bring in radical measures to force people back into work is during a Global recession! Surely if its the wrong time to raise minimum wages its also the wrong time to try to penalise the poor because they can't get a job or are unfit for work because of disability?

[Bam]

The problem is that the minimum wage is set too low

Correct.

Thing is though the minimum wage will never be assesed in the current Global recession. Although the state of the current finacial meltdown makes life tougher through times like this, its the wrong time to be looking for a minimum wage increase, this needs to happen during the boom period. Until then people will have to struggle on through these times as did the people before them did in similar circumstances.

Yet the government think the best time to bring in radical measures to force people back into work is during a Global recession! Surely if its the wrong time to raise minimum wages its also the wrong time to try to penalise the poor because they can't get a job or are unfit for work because of disability?

Maybe not, I dont know TBH and I dont know what these "radical measures" are exactly.

But its at times like this I'd imagine Governments have to act and get people back into employment. The Government needs all the money it can get and I'd imagine it cannot afford to dish out or raise wages if the deficit spending or what ever it is has already begun.

Its a viscious circle.

[account deleted by request]

Can't they just get jobs? there's a fair few jobs out there. I'd rather earn anything than claim, but that's just me. Whilst some fat bint just pops out babies claiming more and more. Almost think there should be a limit to kids for the unemployed but thats just wrong

With the likelyhood of huge redundancies after Christmas looming large , jobs are likely to be at a premium for the next few years mate. There are 1.8 million unemployed at the moment........ the prediction for next year is 3million unemployed as the Global crisis hits home.

If you add in the disabled etc that figure is more likely to be nearer 4million.

But never worry mate the government is dooing everything it can to fight for the poor ......

UK gives aid package to Pakistan 

The UK is giving a £480m support package to Pakistan to help increase security on the Afghanistan border.

Douglas Alexander, the UK international development secretary, said the money would also be focused on education and health projects.

The MP launched the plan at Glasgow Central Mosque, at the end of a UK tour to meet people of Pakistani origin.

The UK wanted to "help ease the suffering of the 36 million poor people living in Pakistan", he added.

More than £250m has been earmarked to increase training for young people and get five million children into school.


    bbc online

[Number 9]

Fu,ck Pakistan,not our problem!