I don't know much whats going on there, been reading the newspapers today about it and it must be hell in south Ossetia.
Plus ruskiyplaymaker brought it up in the real world thread, well I thought I would bring it up too.
I got a question, why did the conflict start in the first place?
Russian - georgian conflict
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by 66-1112520797 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:39 am
I have no idea mate.
I'm sure LFC2007 will tell us, once hes googled it.
I'm sure LFC2007 will tell us, once hes googled it.
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by 112-1077774096 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:42 am
Bamaga man wrote:I have no idea mate.
I'm sure LFC2007 will tell us, once hes googled it.
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by Number 9 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:05 pm
Its a worry for the rest of the World if other nations start taking sides!
Georgia are a friend of the west and its suspected that the Ukraine may butt in sooner rather than later on the side of Georgia.Once one country butts in others get involved too and things can snowball.
Georgia tried to take control of S Ossetia which is a self run breakaway country although its not recognized by the rest of the world.Most of the natives of which there are only 70,000 would consider themselves pro Russian as opposed to siding with Georgia!
The Ruskies sent in troops to help protect the S Ossetians and georgian forces killed some and now they are all at it!
It worries me that things may get worse and more nations will get involved...heaven help the world if China get fu,cked off and side with Russia.
Could be the start of WW3......sounds a bit far fetched but in theory it could happen!
Im off to build me an Anderson shelter...dont say ya all were'nt pre warned!
Georgia are a friend of the west and its suspected that the Ukraine may butt in sooner rather than later on the side of Georgia.Once one country butts in others get involved too and things can snowball.
Georgia tried to take control of S Ossetia which is a self run breakaway country although its not recognized by the rest of the world.Most of the natives of which there are only 70,000 would consider themselves pro Russian as opposed to siding with Georgia!
The Ruskies sent in troops to help protect the S Ossetians and georgian forces killed some and now they are all at it!
It worries me that things may get worse and more nations will get involved...heaven help the world if China get fu,cked off and side with Russia.
Could be the start of WW3......sounds a bit far fetched but in theory it could happen!
Im off to build me an Anderson shelter...dont say ya all were'nt pre warned!
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by metalhead » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:36 pm
Barry there may be truth in this theory, but I hope it doesn't escelate to that state of WW3.
Now Georgia have declared war on Russia (breaking news coming in).
This is just horrible, it reminds me of what happened in 2006.
Now Georgia have declared war on Russia (breaking news coming in).
This is just horrible, it reminds me of what happened in 2006.
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by 66-1112520797 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:28 pm
LFC2007 wrote:Bamaga man wrote:I have no idea mate.
Oh and of course you do.
Googled it yet.
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by Effes » Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:24 pm
Informative thread this
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A delegation including envoys from the US, EU and OSCE is heading to Georgia as its conflict with Russia over the breakaway South Ossetia region deepens.
The envoys hope to broker a truce after three days of fighting which are said to have killed or injured hundreds, and sent many others fleeing.
Russian jets have bombed several towns, including Gori in central Georgia.
Russia says it wants Georgian forces to withdraw to the positions they held outside South Ossetia before Thursday.
A Russian air strike on Gori, a Georgian town near South Ossetia, left 60 people dead, many of them civilians, Georgia says.
Russian officials say hundreds of civilians have been killed in South Ossetia. Georgia denies the figure, which cannot be independently verified.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said his country is seeking "to force the Georgian side to peace".
Meanwhile, separatists in Abkhazia - Georgia's other breakaway region - say they have launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian forces in the Kodori Gorge.
'Broadening' conflict
The joint delegation of the US, EU and the Organisation of Security and Co-operation in Europe is due to visit Georgia on Saturday evening.
UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband said the fighting risked incurring "civilian losses on a large scale".
Emissaries from the US and Europe, all of them Nato members, are hardly likely to be seen as honest brokers by the Kremlin, when it comes to Georgia, BBC's diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says.
The danger now is that Russia will not only use this crisis to demonstrate its military power in the region, but argue it is time to redraw the map, she adds.
Russian PM Vladimir Putin arrived in Russia's North Ossetia region on his return from the Olympics on Saturday.
He was quoted by Interfax news agency as describing the violence as "genocide".
Earlier, Mr Putin said it was unlikely now that South Ossetia would reintegrate with the rest of Georgia.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili denounces the Russian military action
This, our diplomatic correspondent says, is precisely the outcome Georgia was trying to avoid.
Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, said there could be no "consultations" with Georgia until Georgian forces returned to their positions and re-established "the status quo".
Accounts differ over who controls South Ossetia's capital, with Moscow saying it has "liberated" Tskhinvali.
The crisis began spiralling when Georgian forces launched a surprise attack on Thursday night to regain control of South Ossetia, which has had de facto independence since the end of a civil war in 1992.
The move followed days of exchanges of heavy fire with the Russian-backed separatists.
In response to the Georgian crackdown, Moscow sent armoured units across the border into South Ossetia.
'Total... aggression'
The Georgian parliament has approved a presidential decree declaring that the country is in a state of war for 15 days.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has denounced Russian reports of a high civilian death toll from his forces as an "egregious lie".
Mr Saakashvili said he had decided to declare that Georgia was in a state of war because it was "under a state of total [Russian] military aggression".
Georgia is withdrawing its entire contingent of 2,000 troops from Iraq to help deal with the crisis.
US President George W Bush said the Russian attacks outside South Ossetia marked a "dangerous escalation in the crisis" and said Georgia's territorial integrity had to be respected.
"The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia," he said while attending the Olympics.
"The violence is endangering regional peace."
Tskhinvali 'destroyed'
Fighting continued around Tskhinvali overnight and into Saturday morning, although not at the same intensity as on Friday, Russian media reported.
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Peace bid as Ossetia crisis rages
Aftermath of the air strikes in Gori
A delegation including envoys from the US, EU and OSCE is heading to Georgia as its conflict with Russia over the breakaway South Ossetia region deepens.
The envoys hope to broker a truce after three days of fighting which are said to have killed or injured hundreds, and sent many others fleeing.
Russian jets have bombed several towns, including Gori in central Georgia.
Russia says it wants Georgian forces to withdraw to the positions they held outside South Ossetia before Thursday.
A Russian air strike on Gori, a Georgian town near South Ossetia, left 60 people dead, many of them civilians, Georgia says.
Russian officials say hundreds of civilians have been killed in South Ossetia. Georgia denies the figure, which cannot be independently verified.
See a map of the region
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said his country is seeking "to force the Georgian side to peace".
Meanwhile, separatists in Abkhazia - Georgia's other breakaway region - say they have launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian forces in the Kodori Gorge.
'Broadening' conflict
The joint delegation of the US, EU and the Organisation of Security and Co-operation in Europe is due to visit Georgia on Saturday evening.
Eyewitness: Panic in Gori
No quick fix to conflict
In pictures: Georgian town attacked
UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband said the fighting risked incurring "civilian losses on a large scale".
Emissaries from the US and Europe, all of them Nato members, are hardly likely to be seen as honest brokers by the Kremlin, when it comes to Georgia, BBC's diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says.
The danger now is that Russia will not only use this crisis to demonstrate its military power in the region, but argue it is time to redraw the map, she adds.
Russian PM Vladimir Putin arrived in Russia's North Ossetia region on his return from the Olympics on Saturday.
He was quoted by Interfax news agency as describing the violence as "genocide".
Earlier, Mr Putin said it was unlikely now that South Ossetia would reintegrate with the rest of Georgia.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili denounces the Russian military action
This, our diplomatic correspondent says, is precisely the outcome Georgia was trying to avoid.
Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, said there could be no "consultations" with Georgia until Georgian forces returned to their positions and re-established "the status quo".
Accounts differ over who controls South Ossetia's capital, with Moscow saying it has "liberated" Tskhinvali.
The crisis began spiralling when Georgian forces launched a surprise attack on Thursday night to regain control of South Ossetia, which has had de facto independence since the end of a civil war in 1992.
The move followed days of exchanges of heavy fire with the Russian-backed separatists.
In response to the Georgian crackdown, Moscow sent armoured units across the border into South Ossetia.
'Total... aggression'
The Georgian parliament has approved a presidential decree declaring that the country is in a state of war for 15 days.
ARMED FORCES COMPARED
GEORGIA
Total personnel: 26,900
Main battle tanks (T-72): 82
Armoured personnel carriers: 139
Combat aircraft (Su-25): Seven
Heavy artillery pieces (including Grad rocket launchers): 95
RUSSIA
Total personnel: 641,000
Main battle tanks (various): 6,717
Armoured personnel carriers: 6,388
Combat aircraft (various): 1,206
Heavy artillery pieces (various): 7,550
Source: Jane's Sentinel Country Risk Assessments
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has denounced Russian reports of a high civilian death toll from his forces as an "egregious lie".
Mr Saakashvili said he had decided to declare that Georgia was in a state of war because it was "under a state of total [Russian] military aggression".
Georgia is withdrawing its entire contingent of 2,000 troops from Iraq to help deal with the crisis.
US President George W Bush said the Russian attacks outside South Ossetia marked a "dangerous escalation in the crisis" and said Georgia's territorial integrity had to be respected.
"The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia," he said while attending the Olympics.
"The violence is endangering regional peace."
Tskhinvali 'destroyed'
Fighting continued around Tskhinvali overnight and into Saturday morning, although not at the same intensity as on Friday, Russian media reported.
SOUTH OSSETIA TIMELINE
1991-92 S Ossetia fights war to break away from newly independent Georgia; Russia enforces truce
2004 Mikhail Saakashvili elected Georgian president, promising to recover lost territories
2006 S Ossetians vote for independence in unofficial referendum
April 2008 Russia steps up ties with Abkhazia and South Ossetia
July 2008 Russia admits flying jets over S Ossetia; Russia and Georgia accuse each other of military build-up
7 August 2008 After escalating Georgian-Ossetian clashes, sides agree to ceasefire; however Georgia launches a surprise attack
8 August 2008 Russia sends in columns of armour and troops and fighting erupts with Georgian forces in and around Tskhinvali
9 August 2008 Russian jets bomb central Georgian town of Gori, Russia says its troops have "liberated" Tskhinvali
S Ossetia crisis day-by-day
Q&A: Violence in South Ossetia
Send us your comments
Later, the Russian Army's Ground Forces commander, Gen Vladimir Boldyrev, said his troops had "fully liberated" the city and were pushing Georgian forces back.
But the secretary of the Georgian National Security Council, Khakha Lomaia, insisted that the city remained "under the complete control of our troops".
Russian commanders, who said reinforcements were being sent to the region, confirmed that two Russian jets had been shot down over Georgia.
Speaking to Russian news agency Interfax, Russia's ambassador to Georgia, Vyacheslav Kovalenko, said on Saturday that 2,000 civilians and 13 Russian peacekeepers had been killed in Tskhinvali.
"The city of Tskhinvali no longer exists," he said. "It is gone. The Georgian military has destroyed it."
The International Red Cross (ICRC) said it had received reports that hospitals in the city were "overflowing" with casualties.
In Gori, Russian aircraft bombed mostly military targets, where Georgian troops had been massing to support their forces engaged in South Ossetia.
The BBC's Richard Galpin in Gori heard loud explosions and saw large plumes of smoke rising into the sky; soldiers and civilians were seen running through the streets.
Injured civilians were being pulled from the buildings, which were on fire.
The Georgian foreign ministry said the Black Sea port of Poti, the site of a major oil shipment facility, had been "devastated" by a Russian air raid.
Meanwhile Georgian TV reported that the Georgian-controlled section of the Kodori Gorge in Abkhazia was under fire, blaming the bombardment on Russian forces.
The foreign minister in Abkhazia's self-declared government, Sergei Shamba, said Abkhaz forces had launched an attack aimed at driving Georgian forces out of the gorge.
It was not clear whether planes used in the attack on the gorge belonged to Russia or to the Abkhaz separatists.
Russia has a peacekeeping force in Abkhazia under an agreement made following civil wars in the 1990s, when the region declared independence and formed links with Moscow
The envoys hope to broker a truce after three days of fighting which are said to have killed or injured hundreds, and sent many others fleeing.
Russian jets have bombed several towns, including Gori in central Georgia.
Russia says it wants Georgian forces to withdraw to the positions they held outside South Ossetia before Thursday.
A Russian air strike on Gori, a Georgian town near South Ossetia, left 60 people dead, many of them civilians, Georgia says.
Russian officials say hundreds of civilians have been killed in South Ossetia. Georgia denies the figure, which cannot be independently verified.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said his country is seeking "to force the Georgian side to peace".
Meanwhile, separatists in Abkhazia - Georgia's other breakaway region - say they have launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian forces in the Kodori Gorge.
'Broadening' conflict
The joint delegation of the US, EU and the Organisation of Security and Co-operation in Europe is due to visit Georgia on Saturday evening.
UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband said the fighting risked incurring "civilian losses on a large scale".
Emissaries from the US and Europe, all of them Nato members, are hardly likely to be seen as honest brokers by the Kremlin, when it comes to Georgia, BBC's diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says.
The danger now is that Russia will not only use this crisis to demonstrate its military power in the region, but argue it is time to redraw the map, she adds.
Russian PM Vladimir Putin arrived in Russia's North Ossetia region on his return from the Olympics on Saturday.
He was quoted by Interfax news agency as describing the violence as "genocide".
Earlier, Mr Putin said it was unlikely now that South Ossetia would reintegrate with the rest of Georgia.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili denounces the Russian military action
This, our diplomatic correspondent says, is precisely the outcome Georgia was trying to avoid.
Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, said there could be no "consultations" with Georgia until Georgian forces returned to their positions and re-established "the status quo".
Accounts differ over who controls South Ossetia's capital, with Moscow saying it has "liberated" Tskhinvali.
The crisis began spiralling when Georgian forces launched a surprise attack on Thursday night to regain control of South Ossetia, which has had de facto independence since the end of a civil war in 1992.
The move followed days of exchanges of heavy fire with the Russian-backed separatists.
In response to the Georgian crackdown, Moscow sent armoured units across the border into South Ossetia.
'Total... aggression'
The Georgian parliament has approved a presidential decree declaring that the country is in a state of war for 15 days.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has denounced Russian reports of a high civilian death toll from his forces as an "egregious lie".
Mr Saakashvili said he had decided to declare that Georgia was in a state of war because it was "under a state of total [Russian] military aggression".
Georgia is withdrawing its entire contingent of 2,000 troops from Iraq to help deal with the crisis.
US President George W Bush said the Russian attacks outside South Ossetia marked a "dangerous escalation in the crisis" and said Georgia's territorial integrity had to be respected.
"The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia," he said while attending the Olympics.
"The violence is endangering regional peace."
Tskhinvali 'destroyed'
Fighting continued around Tskhinvali overnight and into Saturday morning, although not at the same intensity as on Friday, Russian media reported.
Page last updated at 17:39 GMT, Saturday, 9 August 2008 18:39 UK
E-mail this to a friend Printable version
Peace bid as Ossetia crisis rages
Aftermath of the air strikes in Gori
A delegation including envoys from the US, EU and OSCE is heading to Georgia as its conflict with Russia over the breakaway South Ossetia region deepens.
The envoys hope to broker a truce after three days of fighting which are said to have killed or injured hundreds, and sent many others fleeing.
Russian jets have bombed several towns, including Gori in central Georgia.
Russia says it wants Georgian forces to withdraw to the positions they held outside South Ossetia before Thursday.
A Russian air strike on Gori, a Georgian town near South Ossetia, left 60 people dead, many of them civilians, Georgia says.
Russian officials say hundreds of civilians have been killed in South Ossetia. Georgia denies the figure, which cannot be independently verified.
See a map of the region
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said his country is seeking "to force the Georgian side to peace".
Meanwhile, separatists in Abkhazia - Georgia's other breakaway region - say they have launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian forces in the Kodori Gorge.
'Broadening' conflict
The joint delegation of the US, EU and the Organisation of Security and Co-operation in Europe is due to visit Georgia on Saturday evening.
Eyewitness: Panic in Gori
No quick fix to conflict
In pictures: Georgian town attacked
UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband said the fighting risked incurring "civilian losses on a large scale".
Emissaries from the US and Europe, all of them Nato members, are hardly likely to be seen as honest brokers by the Kremlin, when it comes to Georgia, BBC's diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says.
The danger now is that Russia will not only use this crisis to demonstrate its military power in the region, but argue it is time to redraw the map, she adds.
Russian PM Vladimir Putin arrived in Russia's North Ossetia region on his return from the Olympics on Saturday.
He was quoted by Interfax news agency as describing the violence as "genocide".
Earlier, Mr Putin said it was unlikely now that South Ossetia would reintegrate with the rest of Georgia.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili denounces the Russian military action
This, our diplomatic correspondent says, is precisely the outcome Georgia was trying to avoid.
Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, said there could be no "consultations" with Georgia until Georgian forces returned to their positions and re-established "the status quo".
Accounts differ over who controls South Ossetia's capital, with Moscow saying it has "liberated" Tskhinvali.
The crisis began spiralling when Georgian forces launched a surprise attack on Thursday night to regain control of South Ossetia, which has had de facto independence since the end of a civil war in 1992.
The move followed days of exchanges of heavy fire with the Russian-backed separatists.
In response to the Georgian crackdown, Moscow sent armoured units across the border into South Ossetia.
'Total... aggression'
The Georgian parliament has approved a presidential decree declaring that the country is in a state of war for 15 days.
ARMED FORCES COMPARED
GEORGIA
Total personnel: 26,900
Main battle tanks (T-72): 82
Armoured personnel carriers: 139
Combat aircraft (Su-25): Seven
Heavy artillery pieces (including Grad rocket launchers): 95
RUSSIA
Total personnel: 641,000
Main battle tanks (various): 6,717
Armoured personnel carriers: 6,388
Combat aircraft (various): 1,206
Heavy artillery pieces (various): 7,550
Source: Jane's Sentinel Country Risk Assessments
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has denounced Russian reports of a high civilian death toll from his forces as an "egregious lie".
Mr Saakashvili said he had decided to declare that Georgia was in a state of war because it was "under a state of total [Russian] military aggression".
Georgia is withdrawing its entire contingent of 2,000 troops from Iraq to help deal with the crisis.
US President George W Bush said the Russian attacks outside South Ossetia marked a "dangerous escalation in the crisis" and said Georgia's territorial integrity had to be respected.
"The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia," he said while attending the Olympics.
"The violence is endangering regional peace."
Tskhinvali 'destroyed'
Fighting continued around Tskhinvali overnight and into Saturday morning, although not at the same intensity as on Friday, Russian media reported.
SOUTH OSSETIA TIMELINE
1991-92 S Ossetia fights war to break away from newly independent Georgia; Russia enforces truce
2004 Mikhail Saakashvili elected Georgian president, promising to recover lost territories
2006 S Ossetians vote for independence in unofficial referendum
April 2008 Russia steps up ties with Abkhazia and South Ossetia
July 2008 Russia admits flying jets over S Ossetia; Russia and Georgia accuse each other of military build-up
7 August 2008 After escalating Georgian-Ossetian clashes, sides agree to ceasefire; however Georgia launches a surprise attack
8 August 2008 Russia sends in columns of armour and troops and fighting erupts with Georgian forces in and around Tskhinvali
9 August 2008 Russian jets bomb central Georgian town of Gori, Russia says its troops have "liberated" Tskhinvali
S Ossetia crisis day-by-day
Q&A: Violence in South Ossetia
Send us your comments
Later, the Russian Army's Ground Forces commander, Gen Vladimir Boldyrev, said his troops had "fully liberated" the city and were pushing Georgian forces back.
But the secretary of the Georgian National Security Council, Khakha Lomaia, insisted that the city remained "under the complete control of our troops".
Russian commanders, who said reinforcements were being sent to the region, confirmed that two Russian jets had been shot down over Georgia.
Speaking to Russian news agency Interfax, Russia's ambassador to Georgia, Vyacheslav Kovalenko, said on Saturday that 2,000 civilians and 13 Russian peacekeepers had been killed in Tskhinvali.
"The city of Tskhinvali no longer exists," he said. "It is gone. The Georgian military has destroyed it."
The International Red Cross (ICRC) said it had received reports that hospitals in the city were "overflowing" with casualties.
In Gori, Russian aircraft bombed mostly military targets, where Georgian troops had been massing to support their forces engaged in South Ossetia.
The BBC's Richard Galpin in Gori heard loud explosions and saw large plumes of smoke rising into the sky; soldiers and civilians were seen running through the streets.
Injured civilians were being pulled from the buildings, which were on fire.
The Georgian foreign ministry said the Black Sea port of Poti, the site of a major oil shipment facility, had been "devastated" by a Russian air raid.
Meanwhile Georgian TV reported that the Georgian-controlled section of the Kodori Gorge in Abkhazia was under fire, blaming the bombardment on Russian forces.
The foreign minister in Abkhazia's self-declared government, Sergei Shamba, said Abkhaz forces had launched an attack aimed at driving Georgian forces out of the gorge.
It was not clear whether planes used in the attack on the gorge belonged to Russia or to the Abkhaz separatists.
Russia has a peacekeeping force in Abkhazia under an agreement made following civil wars in the 1990s, when the region declared independence and formed links with Moscow
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