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Postby The Manhattan Project » Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:35 am

The British Government made a massive mistake going after Griffin on that nonsense "race hate" charge because it honestly was NEVER going to be strong enough to secure a conviction.

I'm surprised they even believed for one second that calling Islam an evil and vicious religion would be enough to get him convicted.

There are double politically correct standards too, with Islamic radicals calling for beheadings and murders whenever their religion is criticised (like the disgraceful reaction to the Danish cartoons) yet little action being taken against such violent statements and slogans.

One of the basic ideas of law is that you never go after someone unless you are really confident that you have enough to secure conviction. By bringing this moron Griffin up on weak charges then finding him not guilty, all that was accomplished is that the Government has given the BNP further publicity and a platform for Griffin to vocalise an image of defiance.

The way for the BNP to be dealt with is quite simple, but it requires rational thought, which is something that is often an alien concept to politicians. You deal with them in the following ways:

1- Address legitimate problems.

Not all the BNP supporters are brain-dead racists. The BNP do what bigots have always done. They exploit people who believe that the Government and the major parties have failed or abandoned them. When you have angry disgruntled people they are vunerable to being seduced by people who cater to their anger and offer them an extreme solution.

In parts of the UK the population is divided greatly with ghettos of so-called "cultures". The multi-cultural model has failed because the Government has allowed a situation to develop where many of these "cultures" do not feel the slightest bit "British" or "European" or even "Western". You can see this when you receive a letter from your local council and you turn it over to see the same message written in seventeen different languages. If the Government addresses real problems like housing, crime, urban decay, immigration, poor education facilities etc...it will remove the means that the BNP use to appeal to the disaffected. Of course, this means that the Government will have to do what Governments and politicians often don't do. IE: solving social problems and actually governing intelligently.

2- Equal Standards.

Like I said above, the Government choose to prosecute the BNP leader because of supposed "racial hatred". This is also another means that the BNP use to gain support. They can say "Look, the Government forces came after us for criticising Islam but didn't go after these guys who wanted to cut people's heads off" and they'd be right in a sense. If you try to be too politically correct over it and only go after the white guys but not the Islamic guys, you give the extremists another thing to exploit. The recent convictions of the three :censored: who killed that boy in Scotland and the forty-year conviction of the would-be terrorist is a good step. If you want order in society, you apply equal standards and you apply them with an iron fist so no one steps out of line. Then the BNP cannot play the "unfair victim card" to rouse support.

3- Bring Them Into The Light.

One of the best ways to deal with extremism is to bring it out into the open. Instead of trying to marginalise the BNP and their supporters by pretending they don't exist, you give them a forum to speak their absurd views and you get experts who can soundly debunk them and show them to be the hateful idiots that they are. This can only be done in accordance with 1) first dealing with the legitimate issues they are exploiting which I mentioned earlier and 2) having experts to debunk them who won't simply spout out Government spin and the typical political habit of dodging issues and avoiding questions. If you have a Government apologist debating with a BNP member for example, they will lose the casual viewer/voter who are quite frankly sick and tired of politicians not providing answers to serious issues.
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:13 am

good points mate but the problem is a lot of people think of the BNP as knuckle dragging skinheads with very little education, griffin himself was educated at Cambridge and is an intelligent human being with a strong belief in something, he also has growing support and has a right to be heard whilst muslims are standing on corners in london shouting about jihad while the police stand idly by rather than 'inflame' the situation.

if you read the judges summing up in this case you can clearly see he is directing the jury to find them not guilty as no offence was committed in relation to race, but then gordon brown turns round and basically says that we will have to make it an offence to say such things in the future (giving further ammunition to the BNP). whilst intelligent people are getting involved with the BNP (and we are talking professors, lawyers etc here) it will be easy for them to put forward an intelligent argument so bringing it out in the open wont embarrass them as much as you think, in fact i think they would welcome the chance to put an argument forward that many british people will buy into.

they will continue to win council seats because people have the freedom to vote for whoever they want, and people will use this to make a statement that they have had enough, its time to stop pushing the white values back, its ok for the minorites to keep their identity to  certain extent, but its wrong for them to do it at the detriment of british culture.

britain is rapidly losing its freedom of speech, to get dragged into court for criticising a religion is an absolute disgrace anyway, but for it to happen when muslims are happy to criticise christianity with seemed impunity makes it even worse.

these guys were hung out as scapegoats and quite rightly came up with a judge and jury that can see this. i wonder what the demographic of the jury was as a matter of interest.
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Postby coddy » Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:49 pm

At the end of the day Muslims say they come to our country to enjoy our rights of freedom. Then they hamper ours. Then they expect to be socially accepted but keep themselves private in their groups and claim their own empires in our country.

A fact worth knowing: A Muslim has the right to build a Mosque on his own private land in England, A pure Englishman is prohibited from preaching his religion in any public area and is forbidden from creating a place of worship, even on his own private land.

But its always the white Christian that is in the wrong??
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:05 pm

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A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal.

The goat's owner, Mr Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders.

They ordered the man, Mr Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr Alifi.

"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr Alifi said.

Mr Alifi, Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, told the Juba Post newspaper that he heard a loud noise around midnight on 13 February and immediately rushed outside to find Mr Tombe with his goat.

"When I asked him: 'What are you doing there?', he fell off the back of the goat, so I captured and tied him up".

Mr Alifi then called elders to decide how to deal with the case.

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife," Mr Alifi told the newspaper.
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Postby dawson99 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:27 pm

the world has officially gone mad

 
Ms Eweida said she was standing up for her faith


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A British Airways (BA) employee has lost her fight to openly wear a cross necklace at work at Heathrow.
Nadia Eweida, 55, of Twickenham, has been on unpaid leave since her bosses told her she could not visibly wear her cross at the check-in counter.

She found out she had lost her appeal against the decision by BA when she met with the airline bosses on Monday.

BA denied it had banned the wearing of crosses and said Ms Eweida had a right to a second appeal.

It said its uniform policy stated that such items could be worn if concealed underneath the uniform.

  It is important to wear it to express my faith

Ms Eweida said she was effectively "forced" to take unpaid leave after refusing to conceal the symbol.

She said during Monday's meeting, British Airways told her it respected her faith and accepted the cross was not jewellery, but would be standing by its original decision.

Ms Eweida added: "I am fairly disappointed but I'm looking forward to the next stage because the cross is important and the truth will be revealed.

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"It is important to wear it to express my faith so that other people will know that Jesus loves them."

Ms Eweida said people of other faiths were allowed to wear visible religious symbols such as headscarves and she wanted to be allowed to do the same.

'Question of practicality'

BA said in a statement: "British Airways has 34,000 uniformed staff, all of whom know they must abide by our uniform policy.

"The policy does not ban staff from wearing a cross. It lays down that personal items of jewellery, including crosses may be worn - but underneath the uniform. Other airlines have the same policy.

"The policy recognises that it is not practical for some religious symbols - such as turbans and hijabs - to be worn underneath the uniform. This is purely a question of practicality. There is no discrimination between faiths.

"In Nadia Eweida's case, she is not suspended and we want her to come back to work. We have explained to her the need to comply with the uniform policy like all her colleagues whatever their faith."

BA said Ms Eweida had been offered a non-uniformed post were she would be able to openly wear her cross but had refused to take it.

She now has seven days to lodge another appeal against the airline's decision.

ok BRITISH airways, fricking stupid
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Postby dawson99 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:29 pm

ok, i know she was offered another posbut its a cross, its her faith, its british airways, its a fricknig joke!!!
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:44 pm

I think its time agnostics and aethiests had a symbol of their beliefs too. Agnostics could have a symbol of a man sat on a fence and aethiests could have a black square to symbolise their afterlife.
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Postby Big Niall » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:50 pm

There is no reason for people to wear religious symbols. christians are not obliged to wear the cross.

An international airport should not have christians with crosses, jews with their cap, muslims with their headgear etc.

Same way that bars in Scotland and Northern Ireland don't allow football jerseys (Celtic V rangers), it is your right to support whatever team you want but why try differentiate yourself by wearing colours/symbols.

As for the symbol Atheists could wear - I think a symbol of a brain . :p
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Postby dawson99 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:52 pm

so a sikh has to take off his turban if he works in an airport?
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Postby Big Niall » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:57 pm

dawson99 wrote:so a sikh has to take off his turban if he works in an airport?

according to those Danish cartoons I get my religious knowledge from anything could be underneath :laugh:
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Postby dawson99 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:58 pm

:D  :wwww  :D
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:00 pm

I think bra's are a symbol of womanhood and should be removed immediately
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:30 am

i wear the symbol of my atheism every day, its a big fuck off smile to show i am not restricted by the contraints of any religion


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Postby Lando_Griffin » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:44 am

PAthetic.

Once again this country shows just how backwards it's rules really are.

Bet she'd have been allowed to wear it if she were black.
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