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[Lando_Griffin]

however, when a white person is killed, its just said such and such was murdered (not that he/she is white), but if ethnic minorities are killed, its all over the news that a black this or a black that was murdered in a racist attack.

Wha the hell are you talking about? 
Andy has broken it down already, but I just want to add, how often do we hear 'the robber, a black man, in his 20's' as opposed to 'the robber, a male in his twenties' when it is a crime perpetrated by a WHITE man!! 

Also, 99.9% of the time a white man is 'killed' as you say, it isnt racially motivated now is it?...lets get real here yea!!

However, when its a black person doing crime you are told so either in the news/paper/radio, but they never state the race when its a white guy.
Its not as if they say, 'the paedophile, a white man in his late thirties' for example do they?
It would be 'the paedophile, in his late twenties'.......See the difference...and you are the one complaining....PLEASE!!! 
IMVHO you are just looking for some type of excuse when there is none available, lookin to have a moan about inequalities, when you have no cause!!

If it is racist, then the colour or race of the victim is obviously key.
Unless it is a racially motivated crime then there is no need to mention race (whether it be murder or robbery etc;), as race does not change the crime that has been committed, it is the same no matter who done it, unless, as I just said, it is racially motivated!!

Are you suggesting then that when an assailant is on the run, no reference should be made to their ethnicity/colour!?! Thats just stupid - how the feck can they be caught if you leave such obvious descriptives out of the frame?

And I think you'll find that most reports state the colour of the attacker's skin, and if not it's assumed they are white because this is a predominantly white country.
Besides - if you commit a crime like that, you should lose any rights normal people have. It's a bit late in the day to start bitching about the racism after you've murdered someone.
It's an excuse nowadays, nothing more.

[Judge]

however, when a white person is killed, its just said such and such was murdered (not that he/she is white), but if ethnic minorities are killed, its all over the news that a black this or a black that was murdered in a racist attack.

Wha the hell are you talking about? 
Andy has broken it down already, but I just want to add, how often do we hear 'the robber, a black man, in his 20's' as opposed to 'the robber, a male in his twenties' when it is a crime perpetrated by a WHITE man!! 

Also, 99.9% of the time a white man is 'killed' as you say, it isnt racially motivated now is it?...lets get real here yea!!

However, when its a black person doing crime you are told so either in the news/paper/radio, but they never state the race when its a white guy.
Its not as if they say, 'the paedophile, a white man in his late thirties' for example do they?
It would be 'the paedophile, in his late twenties'.......See the difference...and you are the one complaining....PLEASE!!! 
IMVHO you are just looking for some type of excuse when there is none available, lookin to have a moan about inequalities, when you have no cause!!

If it is racist, then the colour or race of the victim is obviously key.
Unless it is a racially motivated crime then there is no need to mention race (whether it be murder or robbery etc;), as race does not change the crime that has been committed, it is the same no matter who done it, unless, as I just said, it is racially motivated!!

Are you suggesting then that when an assailant is on the run, no reference should be made to their ethnicity/colour!?! Thats just stupid - how the feck can they be caught if you leave such obvious descriptives out of the frame?

And I think you'll find that most reports state the colour of the attacker's skin, and if not it's assumed they are white because this is a predominantly white country.
Besides - if you commit a crime like that, you should lose any rights normal people have. It's a bit late in the day to start bitching about the racism after you've murdered someone.
It's an excuse nowadays, nothing more.

your probably right also lando 

[2520years]

Three men, including Barton, have been sentenced to a total of just over 4 years.  I don't know the details but that seems very lenient for murder.  Presumably, more details will come to light over the course of the next few hours.

[dawson99]

ive said before, tis is the way it works:

4 white people attack an asian/carribean descent person = racism
4 carribean attaack asian/white = mugging
4 asians attack carribean/white = a beating

im not saying its right. everyone can be racist, all colours, all sizes, all sexes, everything. it is just that its un pc to say that attacks on white people are racist for some reason. there are hundreds of stories in london every year about this and the tide is turning again but unfortunately they can never get the balance between right and wrong.

[2520years]

To clarify:  The three sentenced today were found guilty of ASSISTING the murderers by booking a hotel room and supplying a get-away car.  Barton and another had already been found guilty of the murder itself.

[Judge]

this topic should not have been bumped

let the authorities deal with it

[JBG]

Man, some of the sectarian attacks in the north these past few weeks have been vicious.

Last Saturday a 15 years kid was kicked to death.

Last week a 19 year old had his cheeks bitten off and one eye gouged out.

A few weeks before that another teenager had his ears cut off by a gang.

Jeez, talk about man's inhumanity to man.

[thombobb]

The people jailed today where accomplices of the killers.How anyone could help them escape is beyond me....

[2520years]

this topic should not have been bumped

let the authorities deal with it

Judge

You've got easily the best avatar on the forum.  Some of your posts are good too.  I also agree that we should let the authorities deal with it.

However, as I'm currently sat in Huyton contemplating whether to go for a walk in the sunshine at dinnertime, I feel this event is relevant to the people of Merseyside, which includes some people on this forum.  I'm certainly happy that these people are behind bars and thought that others might be too.

[Judge]

ok fella, ney worries

[Red @ Heart]

this topic should not have been bumped

let the authorities deal with it

Judge

You've got easily the best avatar on the forum.  Some of your posts are good too.  I also agree that we should let the authorities deal with it.

However, as I'm currently sat in Huyton contemplating whether to go for a walk in the sunshine at dinnertime, I feel this event is relevant to the people of Merseyside, which includes some people on this forum.  I'm certainly happy that these people are behind bars and thought that others might be too.

did you go for your walk? because the weather today is awesom 

[Big Niall]

REally things like this will always happen from time to time. A 15 year old boy in Northern Ireland was killed during the week by a gang of teenagers because he is catholic.

I don't think the "hate crime" thing they have in America is the way to go though as all violent crime is "hate".

I think (though I don't know as I don't live there) that England is much better now than in the 1970s when being black was a big deal.

Probably only a matter of time before the problem comes to Ireland as now 10% of our population are immigrants.

[2520years]

this topic should not have been bumped

let the authorities deal with it

Judge

You've got easily the best avatar on the forum.  Some of your posts are good too.  I also agree that we should let the authorities deal with it.

However, as I'm currently sat in Huyton contemplating whether to go for a walk in the sunshine at dinnertime, I feel this event is relevant to the people of Merseyside, which includes some people on this forum.  I'm certainly happy that these people are behind bars and thought that others might be too.

did you go for your walk? because the weather today is awesom 

After saying that I had to!


I went to Stadt Moers Park, the weather was glorious but the park wasn't very scenic.  I might go to Taylor Park in St Helens next time, I've heard it's pretty good...it's got to be better than sitting at my desk regardless of the weather!

[Mikz]

Serious Times In N.Ireland ! People getting Wasted for no reason wtf is the point?
That young guy in Ballymena kicked to death, I think it was a clash of 2 gangs and he got seperated, but there was definate sectarianism involved.
And now the parades begin? Does anybody really want these anymore? All they are is an excuse for young ones to get off their fcuking heads and sing stupid songs
Since the end of the peace process, young ones here have just went nutz for drugs. Surely they can see the decrease in society everywhere, why dont they stamp down hard on it?
I used to think it would be great to be 16 again, but not now, no wonder so many parents are on nerve tablets.