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[Dundalk]

Hes not dead, he's chilling in Cuba with Tupac.

[tubby]

Al Queda is nowhere near done.  bin Laden was an image and it is a hit to them.  I think many will give up, but many will be angered and retaliate.  He wasn't really pulling the strings anymore anyways so it really won't make a difference.  Now they have a reason to come back after us.  Anybody who thinks bin Laden is the one who came up with all the terrorist attacks is an idiot.. he's a smart guy but he has help.  Sure he's the image in charge, but they weren't all his idea.  Other people in his group come up with the ideas and carry them out... he's the image.  He's their Barack Obama.

The questions I want answered more than any other is, why, after 9/11, when all flights were grounded, were the entire Bin Laden family allowed to leave?

And why, in all George W. Bush's time he never came close to capturing Osama, and yet Obama has managed to get him, at his home no less.

And why are people questioning Obama? George W. Bush played the idiot to a much too perfect image. And yet Obama is being questioned at every turn he makes.

Or maybe, just maybe, the right questions are being asked to the wrong people. I dont think it matters that Osama is dead. The damage is done.

Disagree with you Karhaz..

All of the intel gained was during the Bush administration.  Every important bit of info about his whereabouts were during the Bush Administration.  Now I'm not saying he's a good president because the guy's a dumbass, but the Bush admin was the one who found bin Laden and they were the ones who didn't want to kill more innocent people in an attack. 

Obama's people watched the house and never even saw bin Laden, they just hoped he was in there based of the information from the Bush admin and they attacked knowing they very well could just be killing more innocent people.

If there were no Al Queda in there, would we have heard about it?  Or would we have blamed on on a terrorist attack that was aimed at the Pakistani base not but a couple miles away?

Got a source for any of this stuff, mate?  I'm curious and I'd love to read more about it because I find it impossible to believe that all of the relevant intel was put together by an administration that's been out of office for 16 months!   Either you guys have all the patience in the world or something seriously doesn't add up about that story.

What frustrates me with these kinds of moments is how quickly they fall prey to partisan posturing.  The minute something good happens on one guy's watch, the people that backed the other guy are in like a shot to say all the groundwork was laid by their guy and he should get all the credit.  Yet, when things go wrong, it's always the guy in charge now who gets it in the neck.  Rarely do you see people acknowledge that the thing came together with contributions from loads of people, past and present.  It's like the Rafa v. Roy discussion writ large!

It's not really surprising tbh. U.S. intelligence was already tracking Bin Laden, finding out who was always around him, so that obviously would include his personal couriers. Obviously they were going to be following names and leads from the information they had.

It wasn't until some they got some guy to talk in Camp X Ray that thet found out the guys name ect...

Sure credit should go to Bush and his administration for assembling that intel but he was killed on Obama's watch. Also wern't special forces quite close to him just after 9/11 only to effectively let him wiggle free. Anyway the world is a better place without him so im not bothered who's watch it fell under.

[tubby]

The peoples of Pakistan and I agree, I'm not going to deny the fact that there are Madrahsas preying and brainwashing young ones in believing that the West must be destroyed. It seems that these Madrahsas have been established in most poor areas of the world such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan because its easier to manipulate the uneducated and the illiterate, that was Al Qaeda's goal. However, when you look at some gulf states and countries like Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Turkey, Muslim schools there teach about tolerance with other faiths and guidance of lost men. I remember there was a conservative American protestant living in the south of Lebanon, where the region is very conservative towards the Muslim faith. This American used to hand in brochures on the street and tried to spread the word of Christianity among the most conservative of Muslims. However, the people there didn't catch him and behead him, or  burn his house and tried to kick him out, instead they listened to him and  discussed with him about both religion (a debate). This is because the faith teaches that way, to tolerate and not oppress others. Imagine this American was spreading Christianity in an area of Taliban control.

There was something on C4 last year, I think it was either the follow up to the 'Secret Mosque' thing Dispatches done or something else, but they focused for much of the programme on these madras'.

TBH Listening to those 10 and 11 year old kids talk about wanting to grow up to martyr themselves is 10x more scarier than the insurgants on the ground now.

[Reg]

I´ve quietly suspected you of being al-qaeda for some time Bav.... 

[Kenny Kan]

Do you think, that had the Western world not flexed its muscle in the middle-east that the Taliban and Al-qaeda wouldn't have any reason to terrorize the western world like they do, or was this always on the cards regardless?

[Reg]

It was on the cards and they were already expanding their political interference and terrorism into Uzbekistan, Kyrkyzstan and Xinjiang which would have drawn Russia and China into it. The facts are out there, you just have to pull it together.

[Kenny Kan]

What is their political inference then?

[Reg]

What is their political inference then?

What are you infering to? 

[metalhead]

Hes not dead, he's chilling in Cuba with Tupac.

Like totally nicked this 

[ethanr]

Al Queda is nowhere near done.  bin Laden was an image and it is a hit to them.  I think many will give up, but many will be angered and retaliate.  He wasn't really pulling the strings anymore anyways so it really won't make a difference.  Now they have a reason to come back after us.  Anybody who thinks bin Laden is the one who came up with all the terrorist attacks is an idiot.. he's a smart guy but he has help.  Sure he's the image in charge, but they weren't all his idea.  Other people in his group come up with the ideas and carry them out... he's the image.  He's their Barack Obama.

The questions I want answered more than any other is, why, after 9/11, when all flights were grounded, were the entire Bin Laden family allowed to leave?

And why, in all George W. Bush's time he never came close to capturing Osama, and yet Obama has managed to get him, at his home no less.

And why are people questioning Obama? George W. Bush played the idiot to a much too perfect image. And yet Obama is being questioned at every turn he makes.

Or maybe, just maybe, the right questions are being asked to the wrong people. I dont think it matters that Osama is dead. The damage is done.

Disagree with you Karhaz..

All of the intel gained was during the Bush administration.  Every important bit of info about his whereabouts were during the Bush Administration.  Now I'm not saying he's a good president because the guy's a dumbass, but the Bush admin was the one who found bin Laden and they were the ones who didn't want to kill more innocent people in an attack. 

Obama's people watched the house and never even saw bin Laden, they just hoped he was in there based of the information from the Bush admin and they attacked knowing they very well could just be killing more innocent people.

If there were no Al Queda in there, would we have heard about it?  Or would we have blamed on on a terrorist attack that was aimed at the Pakistani base not but a couple miles away?

Got a source for any of this stuff, mate?  I'm curious and I'd love to read more about it because I find it impossible to believe that all of the relevant intel was put together by an administration that's been out of office for 16 months!   Either you guys have all the patience in the world or something seriously doesn't add up about that story.

What frustrates me with these kinds of moments is how quickly they fall prey to partisan posturing.  The minute something good happens on one guy's watch, the people that backed the other guy are in like a shot to say all the groundwork was laid by their guy and he should get all the credit.  Yet, when things go wrong, it's always the guy in charge now who gets it in the neck.  Rarely do you see people acknowledge that the thing came together with contributions from loads of people, past and present.  It's like the Rafa v. Roy discussion writ large!

I can't remember who it was, but I read a quote by one of the generals or some like that.

He said that the intel that was key to finding him was discoeverd over 4 years ago from one of bin Laden's top guys that we had captured.  The intel was the name of his main courier, who was found 2 years later, and the house that bin Laden was found in was discovered right as Obama was taking office, like a month before i believe.  Since then there was just observation.  They never actually saw bin Laden and Obama gave the go ahead eve tho it could just be a house full of women in children, which was all the CIA knew for sure lived there, and that the courier would occasionally visit.

[ethanr]

And by the way, I don't support Bush, I think he was an absolute garbage president... but Obama is no better

[Kenny Kan]

What is their political inference then?

What are you infering to? 

Nothing. I'm merely asking a simple and honest question.

If you know the answer, please tell.

[Reg]

And by the way, I don't support Bush, I think he was an absolute garbage president... but Obama is no better

Your previous comment was complete and utter cráp, you kinda lost credibility with that one.

[burjennio]

Weekend update is reporting that Osama Bin Laden.....

...is still dead

[Kenny Kan]

What is their political inference then?

What are you infering to? 

Nothing. I'm merely asking a simple and honest question.

If you know the answer, please tell.

Obviously not.