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[laza]

Yeah Bav, no T&A in Fit birds but death and violence allowed.
What do you think this is, mainstream American TV ?

[neil]

lol, i know yeah, you cant even say crap without jumping through a few hoops

[tubby]

Done

[Emerald Red]

Ah sorry mate. Ok I'll edit the post when I get into work in a bit.

No problem, mate. It's just that I'm a bit of a fairy when it comes to stuff that graphic, especially when it jumps out at you in the early hours of the morning. I think I could handle certain images, but ones where the faces of the dead are clear just disturb me for some reason.

[dawson99]

Ah sorry mate. Ok I'll edit the post when I get into work in a bit.

No problem, mate. It's just that I'm a bit of a fairy when it comes to stuff that graphic, especially when it jumps out at you in the early hours of the morning. I think I could handle certain images, but ones where the faces of the dead are clear just disturb me for some reason.

Dude, there is no need to sound like the odd one where death disturbs you. I can't handle that sh!t either... no one should be able to

[Emerald Red]

Ah sorry mate. Ok I'll edit the post when I get into work in a bit.

No problem, mate. It's just that I'm a bit of a fairy when it comes to stuff that graphic, especially when it jumps out at you in the early hours of the morning. I think I could handle certain images, but ones where the faces of the dead are clear just disturb me for some reason.

Dude, there is no need to sound like the odd one where death disturbs you. I can't handle that sh!t either... no one should be able to

True. But it seems that the internet these days has made a lot of people desensitized to it. Like I say, it's not so much the gore (to a certain extent) it's the person's face, and the eyes.

[Kharhaz]

True. But it seems that the internet these days has made a lot of people desensitized to it. Like I say, it's not so much the gore (to a certain extent) it's the person's face, and the eyes.

And yet each time you post there is the picture of Davina McCall and you are not freaked out by that !

Some people are weird...

[ethanr]

If you want to educate your selves a little more on the matter, look up Robert Spence.

Here's a link -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdLrSkFYz2o

Please don't try and preach that Islam is a peaceful religon that is strives to coexists with other religons in the 21st Century.

can't be bothered to argue with you or anyone who thinks Islam is violent.

Read the academic and historian into Islam...

Of course you don't want to argue, you no it professes to kill non-believers.

Where do you think the likes of Bin Laden and all these other extremists get their intentions, motivations and self proclaimed rights for terrorizing the western world, yep you got it.

I'm not gonna like Kenny.  You sound very ignorant.  Just because a small group of people have made bad choices doesn't mean the whole group are bad.  If that was the case, every person in the world would be evil.  The Koran, just like the Bible, is something that is translated.  Different people translate it in different ways.  Osama bin Laden, and apparently you, decipher it in that way.  The official counsel of the Islamic religion have never supported that at all.  Every religious book has things that could be translated, and are translated wrongly.  Or they are translated correctly, but that's not what it actually means. 

I don't see how you can possibly compare the Islamic religion to that one man.

Catholics, Christians, they kill people all the time.  Not like bin Laden, but how does that make them any better?  Are you saying that every Christian and Catholic is bad because some of the murdered others. 

Al Queda is a hypocritical association.  They say, kill yourself and receive virgins and heaven and you are doing the ultimate thing to pride your country.. And yet none of the leaders ever commit suicide.  They know it's absolute .  They are just angry people who want revenge and they trick younger people who are having trouble in their lives to do their work for them.

Speaking of bin Laden...

Strange how many people are celebrating a mans death.  Don't get me wrong, I'm happy as hell he's gone, but it doesn't seem like we are celebrating for the right reasons.  It's closure and comfort for those affected and we should remember those people for what happened to them.  bin Laden doesn't deserve all the attention he has received. 

I hate how it was portrayed.. Obama has been an absolute garbage president... and they make it sound like he did the whole thing.  In reality, the most important intel gained was when Bush was in office.  All Obama did was say, "ok take them out, hopefully he's in there and if not we are just killing more innocent people."  They know how bad of a president he's been and they are trying to make people happy with him.

Al Queda is nowhere near done.  bin Laden was an image and it is a hit to them.  I think many will give up, but many will be angered and retaliate.  He wasn't really pulling the strings anymore anyways so it really won't make a difference.  Now they have a reason to come back after us.  Anybody who thinks bin Laden is the one who came up with all the terrorist attacks is an idiot.. he's a smart guy but he has help.  Sure he's the image in charge, but they weren't all his idea.  Other people in his group come up with the ideas and carry them out... he's the image.  He's their Barack Obama.

[metalhead]

Hi Ethan, I thought it was a disgrace the way Americans were celebrating his death, it was actually making them look like hypocrites because if some idiot in the other side of the world celebrated the killings of people and Americans, everyone else would be shocked and would feel disgusted. I'm happy that Bin Ladin is taken care off, he was a mass murderer with an agenda and had to be stopped, but surely the celebrations wasn't necessary.

As for the religion debate, I tried to explain....

[Kharhaz]

Al Queda is nowhere near done.  bin Laden was an image and it is a hit to them.  I think many will give up, but many will be angered and retaliate.  He wasn't really pulling the strings anymore anyways so it really won't make a difference.  Now they have a reason to come back after us.  Anybody who thinks bin Laden is the one who came up with all the terrorist attacks is an idiot.. he's a smart guy but he has help.  Sure he's the image in charge, but they weren't all his idea.  Other people in his group come up with the ideas and carry them out... he's the image.  He's their Barack Obama.

The questions I want answered more than any other is, why, after 9/11, when all flights were grounded, were the entire Bin Laden family allowed to leave?

And why, in all George W. Bush's time he never came close to capturing Osama, and yet Obama has managed to get him, at his home no less.

And why are people questioning Obama? George W. Bush played the idiot to a much too perfect image. And yet Obama is being questioned at every turn he makes.

Or maybe, just maybe, the right questions are being asked to the wrong people. I dont think it matters that Osama is dead. The damage is done.

[metalhead]

The questions I want answered more than any other is, why, after 9/11, when all flights were grounded, were the entire Bin Laden family allowed to leave?

It depends on which Bin Ladin family.

Osama Bin Ladin is one of the 47 sons ... there is also a Bin Ladin group in Saudi Arabia in charge of 90% of the projects and infrastructure of the country and they have nothing to do with Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Ladin. so maybe they allowed the family who had nothing to do with Osama to leave for their safety.

[Kharhaz]

The questions I want answered more than any other is, why, after 9/11, when all flights were grounded, were the entire Bin Laden family allowed to leave?

It depends on which Bin Ladin family.

Osama Bin Ladin is one of the 47 sons ... there is also a Bin Ladin group in Saudi Arabia in charge of 90% of the projects and infrastructure of the country and they have nothing to do with Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Ladin. so maybe they allowed the family who had nothing to do with Osama to leave for their safety.

That would be the family who could answer for Osamas actions. And they could. Osamas direct family could answer many questions, but they were given the ticket the hell out of their by the USA's own president. No real surprise really given his direct interest in the oil business.

[laza]

Hi Ethan, I thought it was a disgrace the way Americans were celebrating his death, it was actually making them look like hypocrites because if some idiot in the other side of the world celebrated the killings of people and Americans, everyone else would be shocked and would feel disgusted. I'm happy that Bin Ladin is taken care off, he was a mass murderer with an agenda and had to be stopped, but surely the celebrations wasn't necessary.

As for the religion debate, I tried to explain....

While I can understand glee and relief, regardless of whatever country is it, I find that tribal mob nationlistic celebration very disturbing

It also just  fuel for the fanatics and helps their cause

[Emerald Red]

Hi Ethan, I thought it was a disgrace the way Americans were celebrating his death, it was actually making them look like hypocrites because if some idiot in the other side of the world celebrated the killings of people and Americans, everyone else would be shocked and would feel disgusted. I'm happy that Bin Ladin is taken care off, he was a mass murderer with an agenda and had to be stopped, but surely the celebrations wasn't necessary.

As for the religion debate, I tried to explain....

Is correct. I felt the same way seeing that. The Rock even came out in the wrestling (not that I watch that sh*t) and said "we got the b*stard" and did the eyebrow thing, so I'm told. It was greeted with rapturous cheering and applause. Just goes to show just how much the media over there effects people's thinking, because unless my memory is mistaken, Bin Laden issued a statement shortly after 9/11 happened stating that he had nothing to do with it, but praised it anyway. That didn't matter, though. The media had their man already. Bin Laden was now the brand face of terror, according to JW and the White House spin doctors. F*ck the notion that this could have been done by someone else. Nope. It was this evil, bearded man, and his dirty religion that did it. It was he and he alone. You know, for such a so called violent religion, and devout nutcases to the cause, you'd think that by now, someone else in America - considering that there are tens, of not hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the USA - would have done something else since 9/11. You would think that seeing this religion was all for jihad against the West and especially America, that there would have been dozens of more attacks, or suicide bombs on trains, shops etc on their soil. Maybe even a rampage with a gun down in Times Square. I mean, it's America, and you can buy guns there. Nope. Nothing. Nothing major since.

But anyway, now that the Santa Clause of Terror is dead, everything should be honky dory. Will it f*ck! F*ck all changes, but let's celebrate like it's New Years eve anyway. War on Terror my f*cking ar$e. That has to be one of the biggest propaganda bullsh*ts in the history of the modern world.

Edit - this newkit word filter really does bust my balls.

[Emerald Red]

True. But it seems that the internet these days has made a lot of people desensitized to it. Like I say, it's not so much the gore (to a certain extent) it's the person's face, and the eyes.

And yet each time you post there is the picture of Davina McCall and you are not freaked out by that !

Some people are weird...

Davina would get smashed. Oh, and that's Dustin the turkey from RTE.