Mod accountability - Do we need an appeal/review committee ?

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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:41 am

There seems to be quite a lot of unrest around the site regarding the MOD's at the moment. Complaints of everything from acting in haste or anger to being George Orwells even bigger Brother.

Personally I think they do a difficult job well, but that doesn't mean they are perfect, just that imo they are doing the best they can in very difficult circumstances.

I think if we are to improve on the present situation, some form of accountability is required. Maybe a review or appeals committee that looks into the more controversial decisions.

As with football referees or even policemen, there need to be some element of independance to any such committee. Maybe it could be headed by Supersub, with JBG and Bigmick (both former successful MOD's and probably as well respected as any on the site) making up the team. Perhaps even an additional member who could be appointed on a monthly basis, to give everyone a chance and bring a feeling of collective responsibility.

This could lead to numerous frivolous appeals etc, so I think it should really be restricted to bannings (sin-binning) and multiple cardings, and not for deleted posts (sorry Kharhaz) thread lockings, single card etc etc.

The second problem is it may put Mod's off doing their job properly if they feel their actions are going to be constantly questioned. They may decide its easier to ignore or just card someone rather than take the appropriate action of banning someone who deserves it.

I feel this could be addressed by restricting all inital bans to 48 hours until reviewed or ok'd by at least one member of the committee, and only then a time limit added to the ban. (If the ban was harsh 2 days wont kill anyone)

A slightly more controversial idea might be to restrict the appeals/review process to established members only. Newbies, people with less than 6 months posting and with say less than 200 posts being probationary and not covered by the appeals process?

People with 13100 or more posts and who's user name has a @ in it should obviously be exempt from any bans.  :D

This is not intended as a Mod knocking opportunity, but as a genuine attempt to improve the site. Hopefully while my ideas are no doubt unworkable and implausable if explored fully,others may have better and easier solutions.

If nothing else, some form of appeals proccess should be inplace in my view. The current method of voicing disapproval by starting a thread has obvious disadvantages, as the point often gets lost in a sea of personal responses.
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Postby Kharhaz » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:56 am

s@int wrote:Maybe it could be headed by Supersub

I was going to post something about earlier threads to with supersub so this will do. Supersub would be perfect to be the overall judge. He has been around a long time and has had to deal with people worse than than the people who are around now. In this I offer 100% support. Of all the mods, Supersub has my upmost respect.  If Supersub can supervise in all decisions that would be a great thing. I cant help but feel however he is enjoying the peace from the earlier days !
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:09 am

it needs to be people independent of the mods and not the head mod. supersub already supervises the mods and very rarely if ever does he reverse a decision no matter how wrong it is, i feel he has to be seen to be backing them.
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:19 am

peewee wrote:it needs to be people independent of the mods and not the head mod. supersub already supervises the mods and very rarely if ever does he reverse a decision no matter how wrong it is, i feel he has to be seen to be backing them.

I do understand mate, but I think its only right that the Mod's have a strong voice on any comittee, but he would only be one vote. Hopefully he would also feel less of an obligation to back his Mod's as part of a panel. TBH I don't think there is any possibility of a working appeals system without Supersub's involvment.
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:22 am

What is the point of going to such lengths to keep a bunch of reprobate internet nerds happy?

(And yes, I realise I am tarring myself with the same brush. :D)
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:31 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:What is the point of going to such lengths to keep a bunch of reprobate internet nerds happy?

(And yes, I realise I am tarring myself with the same brush. :D)

I suppose we could always allow porn to be posted instead...... much simpler and might work even better a keeping us all happy :D
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:35 am

Porn you say?........
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:39 am

:D  I should have included that in my original post, might have got a few more votes then   :D
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:52 am

will we then need a specialist porn moderator    :D


by the way i wasn't having a go at supersub, just pointing out that he really needs to back up their decisions, but yes i agree if he can be out voted on poor decisions then it would be ok.

but i think before the problem can be addressed there needs to be an acceptance that there is a problem
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Postby laza » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:32 am

If this proposal was accepted then in 6 months somebody would want a higher power to appeal the appeal committee

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Postby Sabre » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:46 am

In my opinion mods are there to do the tough job, protecting us from spammers, avoiding fights to extend all over the place, and for that job I'm grateful and I also understand they might make the odd mistake.

Making a paralel modding is not necessary. It's reviewing their decissions with other people who might aswell make mistakes, and we'd have to find consensus to select this people.

People have to assume that not always the mods will do what they think it would be right, no matter how right they think they are.

Leave the mods doing their jobs, of course they'll make mistakes. Who wouldn't.

Oh, and if someone wants badly to be a mod, he always can ask to be.
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Postby babu » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:15 am

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Postby Number 9 » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:28 am

So people reckon we should set up a mod ombudsman,watchdoggy sort of thing?? :laugh:
FFS wind yer necks in,its a football forum not the house of fuc'king commons lads.

Besides to much whinging and politics on here already,this would only make things as complicated as the debauched Shennanigans at Stormont buildings in Belfast.
Im sure Maxi will be allowed to post again anyway,ffs the likes of me and Stu have been allowed back after being banned several times in the past!
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:44 am

It's reviewing their decissions with other people who might aswell make mistakes


Of course they could , but at least it would be a second opportunity to get it right.
we'd have to find consensus to select this people.

No we wouldn't, there is no consensus now on the appointment of Mod's is there ?
Oh, and if someone wants badly to be a mod, he always can ask to be

I have already turned the chance to be a mod down, and have on numerous occasions said I wouldn't do the job, so it hardly applies to me anyway
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:48 am

Number 9 wrote:So people reckon we should set up a mod ombudsman,watchdoggy sort of thing?? :laugh:
FFS wind yer necks in,its a football forum not the house of fuc'king commons lads.

Besides to much whinging and politics on here already,this would only make things as complicated as the debauched Shennanigans at Stormont buildings in Belfast.
Im sure Maxi will be allowed to post again anyway,ffs the likes of me and Stu have been allowed back after being banned several times in the past!

And yet you whinge in PM about how many people are leaving and certain Mod's being "heavy handed" ?

Make your mind up Barry :D

Under the present system, if you disagree with a decision or feel you have been harshly treated you have no recourse but to vote with your feet, which quite a few have, if there was some system of appeal maybe people wouldn't feel quite so frustrated and leave? It was only an idea that I was putting forward.
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