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Postby Bammo » Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:40 pm

dawson99 wrote:always talking about your briefs, bringing the conversation to the sewer.

but with your briefs, i'll head the case :D

Will that make it a briefcase?  :laugh:













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Postby J*o*n*D*o*e » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:29 pm

if i were you i would pay the fine asap, or wait till the last minute to be awkward but pay anyway, go to court and you`ll be eaten alive and given a larger fine and probably points which will end up effecting your insurance, by the way your insurance might already be invalid (but not sure on this point) if your insurance is effected the plates in your boot will be no help if your involved in a crash and your car is impounded

no worth it really considering your guilty as charged.
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Postby Judge » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:45 pm

NiftyNeil wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
NiftyNeil wrote:The fine's £30, it's not that cost that matters, it's the principle.

Well then, on principle, stop breaking the law with your look at me in my suped up escort I have a little di.ck car with shi.tty writing for the reg plates, conform to the laws of the roads in this country and pay your fuc.king fine.

Leon, it's a well known fact that men who criticise the penis size of another men are usually covering up their own little secrets. I bet you were gutted when you registered on here and someone already had the name Peewee  :D

For your information, I've changed the font on my reg because it spells out my name perfectly, with the number 6 looking like a lower case B instead of a G.

Note to Kharzaz - well spotted, the red writing and that.
Note to everyone else - thanks for the advice, I think I'm just gonna swallow my medicine and pay the fine. I still think they had no right to do it though and I would have a case.

i think neil your reading leons comments incorrectly

i find those tachy suped up cars a little tedious, and those who drive them really get up my nose. maybe its my age i dunno

but those in the uk are hardly like those of the fast and the furious are they?

anyway i could be wrong and leon just hates escorts :D
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Postby NiftyNeil » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:22 am

Judge wrote:i find those tachy suped up cars a little tedious, and those who drive them really get up my nose. maybe its my age i dunno

They get up my nose too, but who says I'm one of them? (apart form Leon). My car oozes class, right down to the 77 78 81 84 05 that I have printed at the base of my number plate. Maybe that's the problem, maybe the bizzie's a bluenose or a Manc.
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Postby Kharhaz » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:40 am

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Judge wrote:i find those tachy suped up cars a little tedious, and those who drive them really get up my nose. maybe its my age i dunno

They get up my nose too, but who says I'm one of them? (apart form Leon). My car oozes class, right down to the 77 78 81 84 05 that I have printed at the base of my number plate. Maybe that's the problem, maybe the bizzie's a bluenose or a Manc.

I know a few people who have done there car up. They bought a cheap car and spent a small fortune doing it up adding all there own "cack" in it but I dont see what the problem is. The people I know work all hours, in fairness most of them are single, but they work for there money and dont go breaking the law, they just love there car. I think its pettiness on behalf of the person who decided to fine you.

It's a £30 fine - hardly a life-changing amount. I think a drunk kiddie-killer might get a little bit more, don't you?


Fair enough a drunk driver killing anyone would get more but like neil said at the beginning, its the principal of the thing ! I just think its very petty and easy money for them.
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Postby LFC2007 » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:07 am

If it's the principle he's bothered about, then he should pay the fine because he's admitted to breaking the law.
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Postby dawson99 » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:38 am

Bammo wrote:
dawson99 wrote:always talking about your briefs, bringing the conversation to the sewer.

but with your briefs, i'll head the case :D

Will that make it a briefcase?  :laugh:













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Postby Judge » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:37 pm

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Postby 112-1077774096 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:08 am

Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:ok here is what you do, (but bare in mind I am going back a few years here).

when we used to give fixed pens for various things some people would write to the ticket office without making the payment initially, they would basically write their defence in a letter.  This would then be forwarded to the officer who gave you the ticket for him to reply to as to why he wants the ticket to stand.

sadly most are too busy to bother responding so generally the ticket is scrapped, however if he responds you will end up paying the ticket or choose to go to court, in court your defence is weak mate, the fact you are on a private car park is not that good, the magistrate will just ask if your car flew there and you were never on the road to get there, but then they can always produce cctv to show the plates on your car on the road.

So lets say he goes to court and is at fault, could he then sue the company who made the plates with the different font for the business they are in therefore making him a criminal?

no because its an invitation to treat and not an offer for sale. its contract law.

as an example the off licence, if they were offering to sell ale then the offer is open to children and therefore illegal, so its called an invitation to treat where the customer has to make an offer and the shopkeeper accepts the offer.

(this is from memory. no doubt someone will say its wrong)
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Postby Kharhaz » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:24 am

peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:ok here is what you do, (but bare in mind I am going back a few years here).

when we used to give fixed pens for various things some people would write to the ticket office without making the payment initially, they would basically write their defence in a letter.  This would then be forwarded to the officer who gave you the ticket for him to reply to as to why he wants the ticket to stand.

sadly most are too busy to bother responding so generally the ticket is scrapped, however if he responds you will end up paying the ticket or choose to go to court, in court your defence is weak mate, the fact you are on a private car park is not that good, the magistrate will just ask if your car flew there and you were never on the road to get there, but then they can always produce cctv to show the plates on your car on the road.

So lets say he goes to court and is at fault, could he then sue the company who made the plates with the different font for the business they are in therefore making him a criminal?

no because its an invitation to treat and not an offer for sale. its contract law.

as an example the off licence, if they were offering to sell ale then the offer is open to children and therefore illegal, so its called an invitation to treat where the customer has to make an offer and the shopkeeper accepts the offer.

(this is from memory. no doubt someone will say its wrong)

So neil got these plates made from someone who shouldnt be doing them? Come on neil come clean !
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:31 am

Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:ok here is what you do, (but bare in mind I am going back a few years here).

when we used to give fixed pens for various things some people would write to the ticket office without making the payment initially, they would basically write their defence in a letter.  This would then be forwarded to the officer who gave you the ticket for him to reply to as to why he wants the ticket to stand.

sadly most are too busy to bother responding so generally the ticket is scrapped, however if he responds you will end up paying the ticket or choose to go to court, in court your defence is weak mate, the fact you are on a private car park is not that good, the magistrate will just ask if your car flew there and you were never on the road to get there, but then they can always produce cctv to show the plates on your car on the road.

So lets say he goes to court and is at fault, could he then sue the company who made the plates with the different font for the business they are in therefore making him a criminal?

no because its an invitation to treat and not an offer for sale. its contract law.

as an example the off licence, if they were offering to sell ale then the offer is open to children and therefore illegal, so its called an invitation to treat where the customer has to make an offer and the shopkeeper accepts the offer.

(this is from memory. no doubt someone will say its wrong)

So neil got these plates made from someone who shouldnt be doing them? Come on neil come clean !

no, they can be made for exhibitions etc, the manafacturer has no control over whether they are used on the road. just like guns can be made and bought legally, the manufacturer has no control if someone decides to use them illegally.

what you are saying is like cars should not be made because some people speed in them
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Postby Kharhaz » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:37 am

peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:ok here is what you do, (but bare in mind I am going back a few years here).

when we used to give fixed pens for various things some people would write to the ticket office without making the payment initially, they would basically write their defence in a letter.  This would then be forwarded to the officer who gave you the ticket for him to reply to as to why he wants the ticket to stand.

sadly most are too busy to bother responding so generally the ticket is scrapped, however if he responds you will end up paying the ticket or choose to go to court, in court your defence is weak mate, the fact you are on a private car park is not that good, the magistrate will just ask if your car flew there and you were never on the road to get there, but then they can always produce cctv to show the plates on your car on the road.

So lets say he goes to court and is at fault, could he then sue the company who made the plates with the different font for the business they are in therefore making him a criminal?

no because its an invitation to treat and not an offer for sale. its contract law.

as an example the off licence, if they were offering to sell ale then the offer is open to children and therefore illegal, so its called an invitation to treat where the customer has to make an offer and the shopkeeper accepts the offer.

(this is from memory. no doubt someone will say its wrong)

So neil got these plates made from someone who shouldnt be doing them? Come on neil come clean !

no, they can be made for exhibitions etc, the manafacturer has no control over whether they are used on the road. just like guns can be made and bought legally, the manufacturer has no control if someone decides to use them illegally.

what you are saying is like cars should not be made because some people speed in them

But, to quote your example of the off licences they do have an element of control. Is it the case of its just easier to punish the recipient rather than the distributor?
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:11 am

Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:ok here is what you do, (but bare in mind I am going back a few years here).

when we used to give fixed pens for various things some people would write to the ticket office without making the payment initially, they would basically write their defence in a letter.  This would then be forwarded to the officer who gave you the ticket for him to reply to as to why he wants the ticket to stand.

sadly most are too busy to bother responding so generally the ticket is scrapped, however if he responds you will end up paying the ticket or choose to go to court, in court your defence is weak mate, the fact you are on a private car park is not that good, the magistrate will just ask if your car flew there and you were never on the road to get there, but then they can always produce cctv to show the plates on your car on the road.

So lets say he goes to court and is at fault, could he then sue the company who made the plates with the different font for the business they are in therefore making him a criminal?

no because its an invitation to treat and not an offer for sale. its contract law.

as an example the off licence, if they were offering to sell ale then the offer is open to children and therefore illegal, so its called an invitation to treat where the customer has to make an offer and the shopkeeper accepts the offer.

(this is from memory. no doubt someone will say its wrong)

So neil got these plates made from someone who shouldnt be doing them? Come on neil come clean !

no, they can be made for exhibitions etc, the manafacturer has no control over whether they are used on the road. just like guns can be made and bought legally, the manufacturer has no control if someone decides to use them illegally.

what you are saying is like cars should not be made because some people speed in them

But, to quote your example of the off licences they do have an element of control. Is it the case of its just easier to punish the recipient rather than the distributor?

no mate because they are only illegal in certain circumstances. at trade shows etc they are fine,.its only when used on a public road they are illegal, its up to the user and not the supplier as to how they are used.

the road traffic act does include 'use, cause and permit' to cover third part offences, as an example, if you let someone use your car and you know they have no insurance then you are also guilty of permitting the use of your car for an illegal purpose, however in the case here with the plate they are not liable in any way as they don't know how the plates will be used, it is up to the individual in this matter to know the RTA and not use them on the road
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Postby Kharhaz » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:28 am

peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
peewee wrote:ok here is what you do, (but bare in mind I am going back a few years here).

when we used to give fixed pens for various things some people would write to the ticket office without making the payment initially, they would basically write their defence in a letter.  This would then be forwarded to the officer who gave you the ticket for him to reply to as to why he wants the ticket to stand.

sadly most are too busy to bother responding so generally the ticket is scrapped, however if he responds you will end up paying the ticket or choose to go to court, in court your defence is weak mate, the fact you are on a private car park is not that good, the magistrate will just ask if your car flew there and you were never on the road to get there, but then they can always produce cctv to show the plates on your car on the road.

So lets say he goes to court and is at fault, could he then sue the company who made the plates with the different font for the business they are in therefore making him a criminal?

no because its an invitation to treat and not an offer for sale. its contract law.

as an example the off licence, if they were offering to sell ale then the offer is open to children and therefore illegal, so its called an invitation to treat where the customer has to make an offer and the shopkeeper accepts the offer.

(this is from memory. no doubt someone will say its wrong)

So neil got these plates made from someone who shouldnt be doing them? Come on neil come clean !

no, they can be made for exhibitions etc, the manafacturer has no control over whether they are used on the road. just like guns can be made and bought legally, the manufacturer has no control if someone decides to use them illegally.

what you are saying is like cars should not be made because some people speed in them

But, to quote your example of the off licences they do have an element of control. Is it the case of its just easier to punish the recipient rather than the distributor?

no mate because they are only illegal in certain circumstances. at trade shows etc they are fine,.its only when used on a public road they are illegal, its up to the user and not the supplier as to how they are used.

the road traffic act does include 'use, cause and permit' to cover third part offences, as an example, if you let someone use your car and you know they have no insurance then you are also guilty of permitting the use of your car for an illegal purpose, however in the case here with the plate they are not liable in any way as they don't know how the plates will be used, it is up to the individual in this matter to know the RTA and not use them on the road

So in a way its like if I backed up my dvds and I lent one of my backups to my brother but he decided to copy it and sell the copies, I wouldnt be at fault here for providing him with the source?
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Postby LFC2007 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:42 am

I have a feeling Peewee's gonna be here for a while  :laugh:
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