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[LFC2007]

Surely if the Mosque was opened on the anniversary of 9/11 the "Fascists" had every right to protest the same day? Surely opening a Mosque on that date is essentially the Muslim leaders pulling their c*cks out and waving them in the face of the victims?

If we have to put up with this kind of sh*t from Johnny Foreigner, Johnny Foreigner has to put up with it from Johnny English.

Otherwise, they're just a set of whining faggots.

Firstly, I don't know if that date was chosen for the mosque opening - everything I've read in the press (from numerous sources) suggests that it was scheduled by SIOE as a 9/11 commemoration/anti-Islam protest - the connotations of which are quite clear - and which, IMO, are intended simply to entrench hostilities even further. If the opening was scheduled for that date, perhaps they could've selected a more appropriate date, though I think under those circumstances it wouldn't equate to anything remotely close to 'Muslim leaders pulling their c*cks out and waving them in the face of the victims'. An oversight, perhaps. I certainly wouldn't accuse people I've never met of such things without the full set of facts, I think it would be very narrow-minded otherwise.

[LFC2007]

u do know that the people running the mosque chose this day as its opening as well? oh u didnt?

well then, get off the high chir and join the rest of us dude

My understanding - from what I've read - is this:

"Protesters from the Stop Islamisation of Europe (SIOE) group were involved in a demonstration outside a mosque in Harrow, north east London, to mark the anniversary of the September 11 attacks."

- PA

In any case, their tactics are clear enough. If you think the general response - one of anger - from sections of the Muslim community and anti-fascist groups was without just cause, perhaps you ought to consider what it is that aroused such a backlash in the first place.

You're a Christian. If a group of 16 men turned up at your place of worship campaigning for an end to your religion in Britain, I suspect you'd have something to say about it.

Out of curiosity, how many raging Christians have killed innocent Muslims recently?

[LFC2007]

But when the non-whites advocate the slaughter of their hosts (for 'tis what we are), no-one bats an eyelid. No-one gets arrested.

No-one gets deported.

Why? I guarantee that a white man stood on a soap-box in the middle of a City street, yelping about killing the Islamic World, would soon find himself doing time in a cell with a guy called "Knuckles".

That's simply incorrect, Lando. Abu Hamza was arrested and convicted for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred, and is to be extradited to the US on separate terror-related charges.

Again, when Islamic protestors took to the streets of London a few years ago, several were arrested and convicted on similar charges.

It's; "Islam is wrong because we don't agree with their methods and lifestyle. We don't WANT to sit about praying to a God we don't believe in. We don't WANT to change our way of life to appease some thickos who think they'll get 80 virgins if they die whilst killing us. We LIKE football. We LIKE beer. We LIKE the choices our civilisation offers. Our ancestors fought WARS to keep it that way, and if you think you and your daft bearded c*nt of a leader are going to alter that, think on, my friend.

Because we'll knock the sh*t out of anyone who tries."

I think that pretty much sums up the general consensus of Britain.

See, there's a massive, massive difference in believing Islam to be wrong and in believing the actions of Islamic extremists to be wrong. If it's the former you believe, I suppose you can't claim 'most people are good' since about a sixth of the world's population are followers of Islam.

[bigmick]

Unfortunately the authorities have got a habit of making "racists" out of all of us with their lack of action. They did the same thing with mass migration going unchecked for years, ineptitude and fudge causing the general populus to get increasingly aggrieved. I had loads of Polish people working for me over the years, lovely people they are too, but that doesn't change the fact that you can't just allow literally hundreds of thousands of people to descend upon a country without seeing serious social consequences. 

Long after everyone with a pair of eyes could see the Uk was looking at a fairly serious problem in terms of immigration, the political classes were labelling people racist for talking about it. It wasn't a race issue for many, it was simply a questiof of numbers.

They've done the same thing now with Muslim fundamentalism.Yes they've arrested the odd rabble rouser, but not before the likes of the Finsbury Park mosque have proven fertile grounds for converting younfg men into radicals. They stand by (the authorities) too often when oiks of various guises behave badly, and that applies be they mad mullahs burning the union jack, or terrible Tarquins taking a year off from the landed gentry in order to join an anti capitilist spray painting of a monument.

If they don't act then it's only natural that normal law abiding people will get p!ssed off about it. It's then only a matter of time before the nutty fringe "take up the cause". The authorites need to get their finger out of their erse and then half of this stuff would be stopped. Want to open a mosque on the anniversary of 9/11? Don't be daft. Tell you what, lets re-do that fire inspection, lets get the building inspector down again, lets make sure the health and saftey aspect is being adhered to by the letter of the law. You want to play silly feckers lads, so can we. Put the opening back by a fortnight lads, lets not be silly.

Same as Tarquin with his spray can. You spray them lions fella, and we'll shove the spray can straight up your erse you silly little c...

Time for a bit of realism.

[ConnO'var]

But when the non-whites advocate the slaughter of their hosts (for 'tis what we are), no-one bats an eyelid. No-one gets arrested.

No-one gets deported.

Why? I guarantee that a white man stood on a soap-box in the middle of a City street, yelping about killing the Islamic World, would soon find himself doing time in a cell with a guy called "Knuckles".

That's simply incorrect, Lando. Abu Hamza was arrested and convicted for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred, and is to be extradited to the US on separate terror-related charges.

Again, when Islamic protestors took to the streets of London a few years ago, several were arrested and convicted on similar charges.

It's; "Islam is wrong because we don't agree with their methods and lifestyle. We don't WANT to sit about praying to a God we don't believe in. We don't WANT to change our way of life to appease some thickos who think they'll get 80 virgins if they die whilst killing us. We LIKE football. We LIKE beer. We LIKE the choices our civilisation offers. Our ancestors fought WARS to keep it that way, and if you think you and your daft bearded c*nt of a leader are going to alter that, think on, my friend.

Because we'll knock the sh*t out of anyone who tries."

I think that pretty much sums up the general consensus of Britain.

See, there's a massive, massive difference in believing Islam to be wrong and in believing the actions of Islamic extremists to be wrong. If it's the former you believe, I suppose you can't claim 'most people are good' since about a sixth of the world's population are followers of Islam.

Top post. Agreed 100%.

[ConnO'var]

The authorites need to get their finger out of their erse and then half of this stuff would be stopped. Want to open a mosque on the anniversary of 9/11? Don't be daft. Tell you what, lets re-do that fire inspection, lets get the building inspector down again, lets make sure the health and saftey aspect is being adhered to by the letter of the law. You want to play silly feckers lads, so can we. Put the opening back by a fortnight lads, lets not be silly.

If it is indeed true that the date for the opening was selected as 9/11, then both the mosque administrators and the authorities need to answer for a whole lot. Religious sensitivity works both ways.

What mick said in this snippet above makes eminent sense. I would probably have gone further and simply told them "NO" with regards to opening on 9/11.

Respect thy neighbours. Selecting this particular date (if true) is simply not on and can be intepreted as a mark of disrespect/rubbing it in.

[Madmax]

Opening the mosque on 9/11 anniversary was not on tbh and an explanation is needed. Could have been moved another week forward or something.

Lando your comment about islam is just a load of shyte.. Seems like you have a problem with the religion rather than the extremists using their twisted interpretation. What you mentioned stating we don't want this we don't want that... Did some mullah come to convert you or something lool...  AS LFC2007 stated theres a big difference in believing islam is wrong or extremists are wrong.

Extremists exist in every religion christianity,islam, judaism and they have existed throughout history and in present times. I have a problem with extremists but not with religions. But with your comment it seems like you have a problem with islam.

[Madmax]

just to answer lando's last question, i would say that in recent years the number of innocent muslims killed by christians outweighs by a considerable amount the number of innocent christians killed by muslims.

id say...bollox is it?

are we not allowed to include the thousands of innocent civilian casualities killed in afghanistan and iraq?

And that was Christianity saying "Kill the non-believers", was it?

Dear me...

The longer the so called war on terrorism continues the way it was done till today the more terrorist will be created.  In countries like Afghanistan or Iraq they fighting invading foreign forces on their own soil and that kind of war cannot be won militarily (it’s common sense!). It was lost in Vietnam and it will be lost in Iraq as it is seen as a Crusade. 

Ex Pres. George W. Bush is christian and saw all those wars as a crusade...

“This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.”    – George W Bush, using a loaded term which recalls the Christians’ Medieval wars against Muslims in the so-called Holy Land.


"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”       — George W Bush, according to

Well al qaeeda are clueless so talking about their removal is understanidible.
But just proving that the wars are religious wars. From anotehr perspective they will be shown like they are not but somewhere else there is a hidden agenda. Innocent people die in these so called religious wars.

Remember the genocide of over 300,000 Muslims and systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women by Christian Serbs.

Don't tell me in modern times nothing has been done against innocent in the name of chritianity...
There are madmen in every faction.

[Number 9]

what is helping the catholics and protestants bond in Northern Ireland is the burning out of the houses of immigrants.

Is it really?

Who told ya that?

[Ciggy]

Its nothing to do with muslims its what BM said its the numbers of immigrants that flow into the UK each and every day. Some arrive for work others arrive because they are freeloaders, getting a house, dole, and the free NHS.

Also that fella with the hook hand and one eye was costing over 1 million a year to preach hate on the streets of London, nothing happened he was aloud to spout his bile with tax payers money, had a house paid for, a car. Was he classed as rasict? Was he feck it was claimed freedom of speech but he was just one horrible kunt who should have been deported and hopefully he will be when he gets out of prison.

You cannot just keep letting everyone in people have had enough, and most feel like second class citizens in their own country cause the human rights brigade have made people feel like this.

Immigration is not the only problem Blairs broken Britain has, the war in Afghanistan our troops should be brought home and from iraq.

And the ferel kids running amock on the streets of the UK along with their lazy layabout dirty scruffy meffy mothers, who have kids to everyone.

Its all fecked up.

[Lando_Griffin]

But when the non-whites advocate the slaughter of their hosts (for 'tis what we are), no-one bats an eyelid. No-one gets arrested.

No-one gets deported.

Why? I guarantee that a white man stood on a soap-box in the middle of a City street, yelping about killing the Islamic World, would soon find himself doing time in a cell with a guy called "Knuckles".

That's simply incorrect, Lando. Abu Hamza was arrested and convicted for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred, and is to be extradited to the US on separate terror-related charges.

Again, when Islamic protestors took to the streets of London a few years ago, several were arrested and convicted on similar charges.

It's; "Islam is wrong because we don't agree with their methods and lifestyle. We don't WANT to sit about praying to a God we don't believe in. We don't WANT to change our way of life to appease some thickos who think they'll get 80 virgins if they die whilst killing us. We LIKE football. We LIKE beer. We LIKE the choices our civilisation offers. Our ancestors fought WARS to keep it that way, and if you think you and your daft bearded c*nt of a leader are going to alter that, think on, my friend.

Because we'll knock the sh*t out of anyone who tries."

I think that pretty much sums up the general consensus of Britain.

See, there's a massive, massive difference in believing Islam to be wrong and in believing the actions of Islamic extremists to be wrong. If it's the former you believe, I suppose you can't claim 'most people are good' since about a sixth of the world's population are followers of Islam.

Mate, I believe Islam is wrong. If I thought otherwise I would convert to it, would I not?

Any religion which requires a follower to have a poorer life than they otherwise would isn't right in my book.

But of course I respect the harmless followers of it and would never dream of telling them to stop believing.

And by-the-by, I feel that opening a Mosque on the anniversary of 9/11 was nothing short of a direct insult to the victims.

I doubt any sane person would advocate it.

[Lando_Griffin]

But when the non-whites advocate the slaughter of their hosts (for 'tis what we are), no-one bats an eyelid. No-one gets arrested.

No-one gets deported.

Why? I guarantee that a white man stood on a soap-box in the middle of a City street, yelping about killing the Islamic World, would soon find himself doing time in a cell with a guy called "Knuckles".

That's simply incorrect, Lando. Abu Hamza was arrested and convicted for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred, and is to be extradited to the US on separate terror-related charges.

Again, when Islamic protestors took to the streets of London a few years ago, several were arrested and convicted on similar charges.

It's; "Islam is wrong because we don't agree with their methods and lifestyle. We don't WANT to sit about praying to a God we don't believe in. We don't WANT to change our way of life to appease some thickos who think they'll get 80 virgins if they die whilst killing us. We LIKE football. We LIKE beer. We LIKE the choices our civilisation offers. Our ancestors fought WARS to keep it that way, and if you think you and your daft bearded c*nt of a leader are going to alter that, think on, my friend.

Because we'll knock the sh*t out of anyone who tries."

I think that pretty much sums up the general consensus of Britain.

See, there's a massive, massive difference in believing Islam to be wrong and in believing the actions of Islamic extremists to be wrong. If it's the former you believe, I suppose you can't claim 'most people are good' since about a sixth of the world's population are followers of Islam.

Exactly - inciting murder and terrorism.

Do you seriously believe that turd would have gone down for spouting the other sh*t? He was at it for years until he eventually stepped over the mark.

The simple truth is this: A white British man spouting half of that dickhead's venom against any other country/religion would have been locked up in half the time it took the nancy-boy Government to cage that sh*t-stain.

[Lando_Griffin]

Lando your comment about islam is just a load of shyte.. Seems like you have a problem with the religion rather than the extremists using their twisted interpretation. What you mentioned stating we don't want this we don't want that... Did some mullah come to convert you or something lool... 

No it isn't. If I don't want to adopt their ways, why should I? Should I be forced to pretend that I agree with some backwards philosophy which teaches that women are second-class citizens, alcohol is banned, you must pray X amount of times per day, you must starve yourself for Ramadan, etc, etc, etc.

It's all a load of cobblers. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever and no God worth following would want people to waste their lives with that kind of crackpot behaviour, in my very honest opinion.

[LFC2007]

Exactly - inciting murder and terrorism.

Do you seriously believe that turd would have gone down for spouting the other sh*t? He was at it for years until he eventually stepped over the mark.

The simple truth is this: A white British man spouting half of that dickhead's venom against any other country/religion would have been locked up in half the time it took the nancy-boy Government to cage that sh*t-stain.

Hard to tell exactly why the authorities didn't press charges earlier in the Hamza case given the breadth of evidence collected by the intelligence services, but the single case doesn't best reflect where we're at now. There's little doubt that 9/11 and 7/7 in particular has helped to expedite proceedings in the charging of terrorist suspects (one concluded today), as well as those inciting racial hatred/soliciting murder, and here I'd refer back to the case of those who were convicted after protests in London sparked by a certain publication in Denmark.

[Greavesie]

Dawson starts this debate then fecks off on his hollies