"gingerism"? - What's the story?

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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:13 pm

Okay, so I've noticed a fair few sly--and not so sly--digs at redheads on this board and in other British media.  Seeing as redheadedness is not that big an issue in North America, I've found it a little perplexing.  Then, I came across this BBC ARTICLE on "gingerism", which I've pasted below.  My question is why do some people in the UK detest redheads and do people see this as a problem? ???  Your views are welcome.

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Is gingerism as bad as racism?

By Finlo Rohrer
BBC News Magazine

A red-haired family claims to have been driven from their Newcastle home because of abuse. Why is the harassment of redheads dismissed as just harmless fun?

Here's a joke. "What's the difference between a terrorist and a redhead?"

Here's the punchline. "You can negotiate with a terrorist."

Is this offensive? If it was made in your workplace, within hearing of a redheaded colleague, would you make a fuss? Probably not.

But mock someone's ethnicity, religion or sexuality and you will attract the beady eye of management. Make a sexist joke and prepare to be dismissed as an antediluvian relic.

Verbal abuse

Carrot-top, copper-top, ginger-nut, ginger minger, bluey (among Australians), Duracell, Ronald McDonald, Simply Red, Queen Elizabeth. And so on for hours and hours of the typical redhead's life. No wonder some gloss over their hair colour as "auburn" and "strawberry blonde" and even "titian".

Photographer Charlotte Rushton has been chronicling the UK's redheads for a book, Ginger Snaps. Of the 300 she snapped, only two have been spared bullying because of their hair. She herself has suffered verbal abuse from complete strangers.


LEGENDARY REDHEADS [sidebar]
Sir Winston Churchill
King David
Queen Boudicca
Pharaoh Ramses II
Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth I
Sir Winston Churchill

"I was on the Tube, pregnant, and I was really humiliated by this drunk yob. He was shouting 'do the cuffs and the collars match?' He got right up into my face. You don't do that to other people."

She believes the phenomenon is long-standing and uniquely British in its most virulent form.

"In other countries redheads will get teased at school but it stops when they become adults. If you are a woman you are fiery and alluring, beautiful."

In adult life, women get stereotyped and red-haired men take much of the worst abuse. Treatment of red-haired children in school ranges from mild taunts to grim persecution.

Michele Eliot, the American director of British children's charity Kidscape, regularly has significant numbers of red-haired children in courses on coping with bullying.

"There is nothing like this in the US where having red hair is not a precursor to having someone abuse you. Red hair is considered glamorous."

Bullies at school and in later life may sense that ill-treatment of the red-haired will not be treated as seriously by the authorities as persecution of other groups.

"Bullies think that person is outside the norm, they will be able to attack them. The bullies find something to pick on. The bully has a problem and needs a victim," Ms Eliot says.

Racism row

While there has been at least one report of a serious anti-red hair hate crime in the UK - a 20-year-old stabbed in the back in 2003 - it's unclear whose responsibility it is to monitor discrimination.


RED HAIR ROOTS [sidebar]
Caused by mutated MC1R gene
Most prevalent in far northern and western Europe
May have survived due to increased vitamin D production in pale-skinned
'Sexual selection' also possible
Disagreement over redheads' reputed higher pain tolerance


"It is certainly not us," says the Commission for Racial Equality.

Conservative backbencher Patrick Mercer, when recently sacked for alleged racism, sought to get himself out of a hole by comparing treatment of black soldiers to those with red hair.

"That's the way it is in the Army. If someone is slow on the assault course, you'd get people shouting: 'Come on you fat b.astard, come on you ginger b.astard, come on you black b.astard.'"

One of these three epithets would now be regarded as totally unacceptable, and possibly against the law. Even the first, mocking someone's weight, is under a sustained assault from feminists and those concerned about what society's treatment of weight issues does to vulnerable teenagers.

But the abuse can be far from innocuous.

"We talk about kicking racism out of sport but this is just as bad in its way," said Reading striker Dave Kitson in 2005. He can't have been delighted when the Daily Star reported his remarks under the headline "Kitson's a right ginger whinger". Or when players' association chief Gordon Taylor said: "It belittles racism to compare the two issues."


RED HAIR MYTHOLOGY [sidebar]
Redheads sacrificed in ancient Egypt
Associated with witches and vampires in Europe
Reputed to bleed more
Mary Magdalene, Adam, Judas and even Jesus depicted as redheads


Journalist Sharon Jaffa - also a red-head - says society must stop its ginger-baiting.

"Growing up as a redhead I was lucky enough to escape with just the occasional name-calling - having the surname Jaffa was no doubt a double-whammy. But attacking someone on the basis of their hair colour can be every bit as damaging as persecuting someone for their race or religion, and therefore, in some cases, needs to be taken just as seriously."

Red hair has great cultural resonance. Red is the colour of heat, danger and warnings. When applied to women, it is the colour of sensuousness, fiery temperament and emotional instability.

"Lilith [Adam's lover] was a redhead. It indicates red hair was bad. Shakespeare made all his most menacing characters wear red wigs. That seeps into culture," Ms Rushton says.

Stress release

So when does this date from? Some claim it could be a throwback to anti-Irish sentiment from the 19th Century and before when the Irish, with a greater prevalence of red hair, were regarded as ethnically inferior.

Anecdotally at least, males get more abuse than females
Patrick O'Sullivan, head of the Irish Diaspora Research Unit, says he has never come across a link. "People could feel forbidden to attack their usual victims and are searching around for ones that have not yet achieved the protection of the law."

Professor Larry Ray, a sociologist at the University of Kent and an expert on racial discrimination, says the perpetrators could be habitual bullies. "If they are engaging in one kind of harassment they are engaging in others. They are looking for targets."

For those who claim their workplace taunts are just harmless banter, it could be stress rather than an anthropological aversion to red hair.

Workplace psychologist Professor Cary Cooper, of Lancaster University, says abuse can be "an unhealthy release valve for stress" and redheads, as a visible minority not protected by law, have become a target.

While other forms of the discrimination are the subject of marches, lobbying and education campaigns, redheads cannot expect the arrival of the politically correct cavalry anytime soon.
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Postby GOAT » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:26 pm

I've just grown up with everyone around me taunting redheads about their hair, done the same, always friendly though

Grown up with gingers being taunted, doesnt mean i actually have some sort of fury against them  :D  Dont know about anyone else!
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Postby Sabre » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:19 pm

Shocked to read that BadBob.

In my country redheads, are named "pelirrojos" (redhaired) and that's all about it. There is no special jokes about them, and all the comments that we do to them is to take care when the sun strikes hard! (which also applies for every people with white skin, I see too many english men being reckless in beaches without sun protection, and it's a serious matter).

I'm shocked because I thought that being redhair was a normal thing in the islands, in fact when I was in Ireland many of my mates were redhaired!
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:01 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Journalist Sharon Jaffa

:laugh:

Bet he took some stick!
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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:02 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Journalist Sharon Jaffa

:laugh:

Bet he took some stick!

It said as much in the article but I'm missing something...please explain.  ???
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:10 pm

Whatever happened to HAIR DYE!!!!!


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On a more serious note.

I don't think people "detest" redheads, its just a relatively rare trait in Britain and you know how people are - they pick on the rare, the unusual.

I don't think it's much of an issue really. A little banter is fine, everybody is different and when I was at school everyone got stick, it wasn't exclusively dealt to redheads.

I'm not shocked at all to read the article, that's the way it is in Britain.

Is it wrong?

Perhaps, but people get stick for how tall they are, how intelligent they are, their general appearance... and so on.
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:11 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Journalist Sharon Jaffa

:laugh:

Bet he took some stick!

It said as much in the article but I'm missing something...please explain.  ???

Jaffa!
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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:15 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Whatever happened to HAIR DYE!!!!!


:laugh:


On a more serious note.

I don't think people "detest" redheads, its just a relatively rare trait in Britain and you know how people are - they pick on the rare, the unusual.

I don't think it's much of an issue really. A little banter is fine, everybody is different and when I was at school everyone got stick, it wasn't exclusively dealt to redheads.

I'm not shocked at all to read the article, that's the way it is in Britain.

Is it wrong?

Perhaps, but people get stick for how tall they are, how intelligent they are, their general appearance... and so on.

Yeah, detest may have been a little strong.  I've just noticed it mentioned much more amongst Brits than amongst Canadians and Americans.  As for being rare, it's much rarer to have red hair over here, I'd think, yet it's not as much of an issue.  There's got to be more to it than rarity?

And, don't ask me why I'm so fascinated...I'm not ginger.  Maybe it's because my first girlfriend was.  :;):
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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:17 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Journalist Sharon Jaffa

:laugh:

Bet he took some stick!

It said as much in the article but I'm missing something...please explain.  ???

Jaffa!

Which is?  Remember, I'm Canadian mate--no such thing (whatever it is) over here! :D
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:19 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Journalist Sharon Jaffa

:laugh:

Bet he took some stick!

It said as much in the article but I'm missing something...please explain.  ???

Jaffa!

Which is?  Remember, I'm Canadian mate--no such thing (whatever it is) over here! :D

A jaffa is an orange with no seeds  :D
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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:21 pm

s@int wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Journalist Sharon Jaffa

:laugh:

Bet he took some stick!

It said as much in the article but I'm missing something...please explain.  ???

Jaffa!

Which is?  Remember, I'm Canadian mate--no such thing (whatever it is) over here! :D

A jaffa is an orange with no seeds  :D

Right...hence the joke! :D  (we call those navel oranges, I think, for some not-very-important-or-interesting reason)
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Postby Sabre » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:22 pm

Jaffa??

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That's a scifi tv show :D
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Postby Igor Zidane » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:24 pm

In Liverpool bob we pronounce the first g as in god not as in j , so when we see someone with red hair and a face like someone has flicked sh!t all over it (freckles), there called a ginger. I think it's all light hearted really ,unless your a ginger that is :D
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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:26 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:In Liverpool bob we pronounce the first g as in god not as in j , so when we see someone with red hair and a face like someone has flicked sh!t all over it (freckles), there called a ginger. I think it's all light hearted really ,unless your a ginger that is :D

Supersub's not going to be best pleased with those comments, mate!  :oops:
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:26 pm

It's human nature to pick on seemingly RELATIVELY rare traits, but even still, people who are overweight, exceedingly small or tall, who have freckles etc.. all get stick at school. I can understand where the article is coming from in terms of adult insults. It is less rare to find someone take the p!ss out of someone because they are overweight than because they have red hair.

Even Crouch gets a bit of stick (I'd call it banter) from the press about his height. The press will pick on the anomaly.

But with ginger people, it's just banter, nothing serious at all IMO.

Anyone who could compare it to racism would be off their heed IMO, redheads were never oppressed like Black African Americans were in the 60's for example, that cultural context makes that issue more sensitive today.

If there had been Jim Crow laws segregating red heads, I'm sure there would be a more sensitive approach to things - perhaps "ginger" would have become the equivalent of other black racist slurs.
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