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[woof woof !]

Never mind all that ^.

I want to know if "Meaty Discussion" by it's definition excludes contributions from Vegetarians.

[Kenny Kan]

Never mind all that ^.

I want to know if "Meaty Discussion" by it's definition excludes contributions from Vegetarians.

No Woof it doesn't exclude vegetarians, that wouldn't be very PC would it.   

Perhaps we could amend the title by naming it - 'meat and two veg debate'. So that way, we're not excluding a minority. 

After all, we have to be inclusive.

[lakes10]

Richard The Lionheart’s massacre of Muslim prisoners at Acre

               Taken from Beha ad-Din's Life of Saladin. (Palestine Pilgrims Text Society, 1897), 272-274.

When the King of England saw that the Sultan was making some delay in the fulfillment of the above-mentioned conditions, he acted treacherously with regard to the Moslem prisoners. He had promised to spare their lives if they surrendered the city, adding that if the Sultan sent him what had been agreed upon, he would give them their liberty, with permission to take their wives and children with them and to carry away all their movable property; if the Sultan did not fulfill the conditions, they were to become slaves. The king broke the solemn promises he had made them, openly showed the intentions he had hitherto concealed, and carried out what he had purposed to do as soon as he had received the money and the Frank prisoners. That is what the people of his nation said afterwards.

About four o’clock in the afternoon of Tuesday, the 27th of Rejeb, he rode out with the whole of the Frankish army- infantry, cavalry, and Turcopoles (that is, light-armed soldiers) – and advanced as far as the wells at the foot of Tell el-‘A’yadiya, to which place he had already sent forward his tents. As soon as the Franks reached the middle of the plain between this tell and that of Kisan, which was occupied by the Sultan’s advanced guard, they brought out the Moslem prisoners, whom God had pre-ordained to martyrdom that day, to the number of more than three thousand, all tied together with ropes. The Franks rushed upon them all at once and slaughtered them in cold blood with sword and lance. The advanced guard had previously informed the Sultan that the enemy had got to horse, and he sent them some reinforcements, but they did not arrive until the massacre had been accomplished.

As soon as the Moslems saw what they were doing to the prisoners, they rushed down on the Franks, and a certain number were killed and wounded on both sides in the action that took place, and lasted until night separated the combatants. The following morning our people went out to see what had happened, and found all the Moslems who had been martyred for their faith stretched on the ground; they were able to recognize some of them. This was a terrible grief to them. The enemy had only spared the prisoners of note and such as were strong enough to labour. Various motives have been assigned for this massacre. According to some, the prisoners were killed to avenge the deaths of those slain previously by the Moslems; others say that the king of England, having made up his mind to try and take Ascalon, did not think it prudent to leave so many prisoners behind in Acre. God knows what his reason really was.

[lakes10]

our history (british) is not so great whe it come to being nice to Moslems.

no wonder that over the years some of them have had it in for us.
I know some great Moslems that wouls never hurt any a fly.....shame i can not say the same about some of my other friends that are not Moslem.

me i am CoE

[Kenny Kan]

What the feck has a 900 year old event got to do with this thread Lakes?

[metalhead]

What the feck has a 900 year old event got to do with this thread Lakes?

lakes is trying to blend in with the thread

well its not working

[Kenny Kan]

What the feck has a 900 year old event got to do with this thread Lakes?

lakes is trying to blend in with the thread

well its not working

 

[SouthCoastShankly]

our history (british) is not so great whe it come to being nice to Moslems.

no wonder that over the years some of them have had it in for us.
I know some great Moslems that wouls never hurt any a fly.....shame i can not say the same about some of my other friends that are not Moslem.

me i am CoE

FFS Lakes you do harp on.

In fact the Middle Eastern region and Muslims in general we quite welcoming to Westerners up until the mid-20th Century when foreign policy changed. Prior to this countries like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan were common holiday locations. Post-WWII things changed, especially after the creation of the state of Israel.

[dawson99]

So what points are we trying to make exactly, that way we can see who stands where in the politics of what we are discussing?

[lakes10]

What the feck has a 900 year old event got to do with this thread Lakes?

know your history mate

King Richard the Lion heart work and sort of led the Knights Templar Grand Master during the Crusades.

the guy in Norway has spoken about Knights and Freemasonry and is a mason.

he has set his beliefs on very old ideology and trying to bring it into the 20011

[Kenny Kan]

What the feck has a 900 year old event got to do with this thread Lakes?

know your history mate

King Richard the Lion heart work and sort of led the Knights Templar Grand Master during the Crusades.

the guy in Norway has spoken about Knights and Freemasonry and is a mason.

he has set his beliefs on very old ideology and trying to bring it into the 20011

He'll have a struggle bringing his ideology in to the year 20011.

[dawson99]

What f*ck has Richard the Lionheart got to do with immigration?

[lakes10]

What the feck has a 900 year old event got to do with this thread Lakes?

know your history mate

King Richard the Lion heart work and sort of led the Knights Templar Grand Master during the Crusades.

the guy in Norway has spoken about Knights and Freemasonry and is a mason.

he has set his beliefs on very old ideology and trying to bring it into the 20011

He'll have a struggle bringing his ideology in to the year 20011.

oh yes but already it has cost a lot of lives and we just hope that some others dont take up his ideology and do something like he did. i would say there is a 70% of something like this will happen again soon.

[dawson99]

What the feck has a 900 year old event got to do with this thread Lakes?

know your history mate

King Richard the Lion heart work and sort of led the Knights Templar Grand Master during the Crusades.

the guy in Norway has spoken about Knights and Freemasonry and is a mason.

he has set his beliefs on very old ideology and trying to bring it into the 20011

He'll have a struggle bringing his ideology in to the year 20011.

oh yes but already it has cost a lot of lives and we just hope that some others dont take up his ideology and do something like he did. i would say there is a 70% of something like this will happen again soon.

Lets hope no one pretends to be a viking and rapes and pillages villages as well.. this is going so off topic its almost funny

[Kenny Kan]

What the feck has a 900 year old event got to do with this thread Lakes?

know your history mate

King Richard the Lion heart work and sort of led the Knights Templar Grand Master during the Crusades.

the guy in Norway has spoken about Knights and Freemasonry and is a mason.

he has set his beliefs on very old ideology and trying to bring it into the 20011

He'll have a struggle bringing his ideology in to the year 20011.

oh yes but already it has cost a lot of lives and we just hope that some others dont take up his ideology and do something like he did. i would say there is a 70% of something like this will happen again soon.

Well if he wants to keep his ideology rolling for the next 18,000 yrs, they'd better 'dig in' for the long haul. I mean, bringing his ideology into the yr TWENTY THOUSAND and ELEVEN is not going to be easy.