Liverpool FC Forum

[A.B.]

Stop playing Champ Manager for a day and realize the reality, you don't become good over night. Not unless you have the likes of Abramovich in your club and we certainly don't have that.

What did you expect? Did you think that garbage players like Diao would become world class just because we have a new manager? Did you think that we would solve all of our problems in a matter of months? Wake up and smell the f#cking coffee, it doesn't happen like it does in Champ Manager.

[squeeler]

i am aware the possability of qualifing for the champs league just about still alive but he was brought in for his european experience but which is costing us league position. If we fall at the next round of the CL what the F8ck have we got left?. League cup? great!!! hmm.. not convinced by him and i have no confidence in him nothing you have said changes my mind a quick fix was needed, he didnt deliver and still boat loads of spanish migrant footballers will see us a ash cow

[KennyisGod....still]

where exactly would a quick fix have got us? lookin for the same quick fix in two years time, thats where. this club can become great again, but its gonna take time....time to bring in quality, bring thru the kids and take stock of how far we've actually come inside a few months. Rafa's done well to keep us at 5th with the torrid series of injuries we've sufferred. There aint no-one else available if he should go, so why goad him?

[ronmeister]

Well like i said Just ignore him and he will go away , as long as he is getting peoples back's up he is just gonna stay around and post drivel

[A.B.]

am aware the possability of qualifing for the champs league just about still alive but he was brought in for his european experience but which is costing us league position. If we fall at the next round of the CL what the F8ck have we got left?. League cup? great!!! hmm.. not convinced by him and i have no confidence in him nothing you have said changes my mind a quick fix was needed, he didnt deliver and still boat loads of spanish migrant footballers will see us a ash cow

Clearly you have been living in a cave for the past six months.

He was brought in for us to lead us back to glory but the hell do you think that can be done with players like Biscan,Smicer,etc.... in our squad?

First and foremost the right mentality and confidence needs to be re-instored in our squad. You can't do much without confidence and belief even if you have talent. Ask Harry Kewell.

Second, we don't have the funds to buy loads of world class players. Morientes and Alonso are gems and for a low amount but we aren't that lucky to find such class players for a low amount of money.

You my friend are in a fantasy world, living a false dream and you're expectations are way too high. You have been blinded by Chelsea's succes. Mourinho is leading CHelsea to glory but in different circumstances, Chelsea have tons of money and we don't.

If we would have the same amount of money as they do, you would be worshiping Rafa who is a great manager never the less.  You can't make a player like Biscan world class. You either have talent or you don't. If you do then that talent can be developed into something bigger, Rafa has done that with players such as Finnan,Carra,etc.... but it does not work with all players.

He doesn't have a magic wand that can cure us in a short period of time. Instead of critisizing the manager you should slap yourself and come to the conclusion THAT TIME NEEDS TO BE GIVEN.

There is no way other around it.

[A.B.]

It took Shankley time to accomplish what he has, and it will take Rafa time to get us where we need to be, where we once were.

There is no quick-fix unless you got a great manager and a loads of cash. We only have one out of the two, the other is money and we don't have a lot of it mainly because of Houllier's spendings.

If you've forgotten then let me remind you that 10 million was spent on Diouf who we now probably won't be able to make a profit on.

[Ciggy]

Take no notice ignore, it we are happy we won, Roberts you have been on this forum a long time did you post this sh#t about Houllier aswell?

[liamac]

Squeeler and Roberts.............kinda rings a bell that.....................just like Jabba the hut and that annoying little squeeling rat by jabba,s side in return of the jedi   

[The Ace1983]

Dear Roberts,
         I want to open this reply to you by acknowledging that every single person in this world is entitled to an opinion, and I think each one deserves respect. But your one not only tests, but puzzles me.

Why do you, and how can you blame Rafa Benitez for Liverpool's current position. Of course he is not infallible, but you must admit that the odds were stacked against him from the start. There cannot be another club in the world with expectations as high as ours. We still believe that we "should" be winning the EPL every season because of our "history". It would be hard for any manager to live up to these expectations but this season has been particularly difficult.

When he came to this club, Benitez had arguably the best strike force in the premiership with Cisse, Owen, Baros and FSP. Owen left because he wanted money and instant success and now we were a man down. To make this worse, only a handful of games later and Cisse was injured, with a double broken leg. Neil Mellor is still young, FSP is still learning and Baros was (and is still) carrying an injury. But of course injuries were not limited to the frontmen with long term sufferers including Alonso, Gerrard, Hyypia, Kewell, Garcia, Josemi, Finnan, Kirkland and more. Injuries also bring with them a secondary influence, which is the pressure that they put on the remaining players. Can you imagine what it's like being the only player to fill a certain possition , with the likes of us and all the other fans insisting that we MUST win. You can hardly blame these injuries or their effects on Mr Benitez. Do you think he broke Alonso's ankle?

One of the other contributary factors that you have to think of is the Benitez is suffering from the hangover created by the reign of Houllier who didn't exactly have a good purchasing sense. A squad with the likes of Diao, Biscan, Diouf and the other flops isn't exactly championship winning material is it?

The whole Steven Gerrard situation hasn't helped either. With the aforementioned odds against him, he also has to wait for the likes of Madrid and Chelsea to pounce for our jewel in the crown. Whether you like him or not as a person, you really are a fool if you don't appreciate his talent on the pitch. I can understand him wanting to win things, he's world class, and Benitez is trying with many things against him to provide medals for the whole team... in his first season in charge. We are in the league cup final and the last sixteen of the CL.

I thought at the beginning of this campaign, we all agreed to give the new manager a season, to settle in, bring in his type of players, and develop the current players into a top class team. He has already brought in two world class players in Morientes and Alonso, and turned some of our less talented individuals into, at least, competant players who can do a job if there is one that needs doing. He has reinstated the idea of wingers, and showed that we can still operate without the "Owen" crutch, and he has installed a possitive attitude within the team.

What I want to know from you is why you have such animosity for an individual who left a championship winning side in spain, to help rescue us from the "glory" of antiquity? Why is he, in your mind, such a bad manager when for a man serving his first term has landed us a final and a shot at european glory, however hard that will be? I remember a lot of bad weeks under Houllier, Evans et al, but I can only think of one bad week under Benitez. Is this a knee jerk reaction to the losses last week, or do you simply believe that we should not have a blip? What logical reason do you have for hating Benitez so much?

I think I look forward to your reply, provided it's longer than five words and not all of them just single syllabals.

Yours apprehensivley,
                     The Ace1983   

[LFC #1]

Excellent post TheAce, very well written.

I will be interested to see if Roberts can back up his ideas without resorting to go fry your ******. 

[A.B.]

Dear Roberts,
         I want to open this reply to you by acknowledging that every single person in this world is entitled to an opinion, and I think each one deserves respect. But your one not only tests, but puzzles me.

Why do you, and how can you blame Rafa Benitez for Liverpool's current position. Of course he is not infallible, but you must admit that the odds were stacked against him from the start. There cannot be another club in the world with expectations as high as ours. We still believe that we "should" be winning the EPL every season because of our "history". It would be hard for any manager to live up to these expectations but this season has been particularly difficult.

When he came to this club, Benitez had arguably the best strike force in the premiership with Cisse, Owen, Baros and FSP. Owen left because he wanted money and instant success and now we were a man down. To make this worse, only a handful of games later and Cisse was injured, with a double broken leg. Neil Mellor is still young, FSP is still learning and Baros was (and is still) carrying an injury. But of course injuries were not limited to the frontmen with long term sufferers including Alonso, Gerrard, Hyypia, Kewell, Garcia, Josemi, Finnan, Kirkland and more. Injuries also bring with them a secondary influence, which is the pressure that they put on the remaining players. Can you imagine what it's like being the only player to fill a certain possition , with the likes of us and all the other fans insisting that we MUST win. You can hardly blame these injuries or their effects on Mr Benitez. Do you think he broke Alonso's ankle?

One of the other contributary factors that you have to think of is the Benitez is suffering from the hangover created by the reign of Houllier who didn't exactly have a good purchasing sense. A squad with the likes of Diao, Biscan, Diouf and the other flops isn't exactly championship winning material is it?

The whole Steven Gerrard situation hasn't helped either. With the aforementioned odds against him, he also has to wait for the likes of Madrid and Chelsea to pounce for our jewel in the crown. Whether you like him or not as a person, you really are a fool if you don't appreciate his talent on the pitch. I can understand him wanting to win things, he's world class, and Benitez is trying with many things against him to provide medals for the whole team... in his first season in charge. We are in the league cup final and the last sixteen of the CL.

I thought at the beginning of this campaign, we all agreed to give the new manager a season, to settle in, bring in his type of players, and develop the current players into a top class team. He has already brought in two world class players in Morientes and Alonso, and turned some of our less talented individuals into, at least, competant players who can do a job if there is one that needs doing. He has reinstated the idea of wingers, and showed that we can still operate without the "Owen" crutch, and he has installed a possitive attitude within the team.

What I want to know from you is why you have such animosity for an individual who left a championship winning side in spain, to help rescue us from the "glory" of antiquity? Why is he, in your mind, such a bad manager when for a man serving his first term has landed us a final and a shot at european glory, however hard that will be? I remember a lot of bad weeks under Houllier, Evans et al, but I can only think of one bad week under Benitez. Is this a knee jerk reaction to the losses last week, or do you simply believe that we should not have a blip? What logical reason do you have for hating Benitez so much?

I think I look forward to your reply, provided it's longer than five words and not all of them just single syllabals.

Yours apprehensivley,
                     The Ace1983   

Ace you've wasted your time, Roberts is stubborn and refuses to look at things logically.

[policy]

Roberts probably believes that all of the injuries are Rafa's fault as well. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I don't read any more of his drivel.

He just needs to get laid and stop yanking his crank.

[azriahmad]

Rafa needs more time and while i believe that there is a better coach at Chelsea, I don't think that there were any better ones available to us last summer. The key word is available as the good ones are either happy at their jobs at other clubs or not interested. in fact, I think that Benithez is one of the best in Europe with what he has achieved at Valencia.

The time to judge him is over a 2 season period, with the key point being where Liverpool finish with respect to CL qualification at the end of this season.

It has been clear to see that Liverpool are playing more varied and better passing now than the dour Houllier-esque football. The only missing things are consistency and grit from some of the players, especially the light weight ones like Garcia (it must be pretty bad for him being singled out almost every time). They have to develop more grit and higher work-rate. Also, Liverpool has some very ordinary (average) players which was the legacy of one Gerrard Houllier.

[112-1077774096]

Gerrard going can not be prevented by the manager.

yes it can, he can say "honour your contract"

[anfieldadorer]

Rafa prefers to make it simple, he said, basically:

"I dont' have a crystall ball to see what the future holds, Our idea is to win the next game and then we will see."

Just loving it!