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From Sky News....

People who download music illegally may be feeling more nervous after an American woman was ordered to pay more than £100,000 in damages for file-sharing.
Crackdown on file sharing
Crackdown on file sharing

Jammie Thomas was ordered to pay $220,000 (£108,000) after six record companies sued her.

They said she shared 1,702 songs by downloading them without permission and then offering them online through a Kazaa file-sharing acount.

Thomas had claimed that she did not have a Kazaa account.

She was fined $9,250 (£4,550) for each of 24 songs specified in the case - the lowest the jury could have awarded was $750 (£370) per song.

"This does send a message, I hope, that downloading and distributing our recordings is not OK," said Richard Gabriel, the chief lawyer for the music companies.

Record companies have filed 26,000 lawsuits since 2003 over file-sharing, with many defendants settling out of court and illegal sharing dropping as a result.
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Nevertheless, the practice has hurt sales because it allows people to get music for free instead of paying a fee to an authorised download site or buying a hard copy from a shop.

Many other defendants have settled by paying the companies a few thousand dollars.

The Recording Industry Association of America said the lawsuits have reduced illegal sharing, even though music file-sharing is rising overall.

While the ruling will not stop illegal downloading, bands are finding increasingly sophisticated ways to offer music online.

Radiohead recently announced that fans could choose how much to pay to download their latest album.

This week's Technofile looked at the issue of music, with Stuart Miles of Pocket Lint telling the programme about the range of places where people can download legally for free.

It typically costs less than one pound a track to download music legally.

[dawson99]

just hope the same happens to you movie feckers

[Wilhelmsson]

The music industry fails to realise that much of the file sharing is done using proxy programmes which wipe a person(s) IP address; therefore any transactions committed by such people on the Internet cannot be traced.

For everyone person the music industry prosecute, there’s a dozen more file sharers hiding behind proxy’s.

[Sabre]

The good thing about being an independent nation is that you have your own laws. In my country only people making profit with music are prosecuted. The justice has declared innocent of piracy to people just having downloaded music. Nice to be Spaniard in this cases.

[LFC2007]

I don't really understand the technicalities of downloading music, but I've a few questions.... how can they identify the offenders?

Is it illegal to file share in Britain?

If it is illegal here, is it not possible for Sabre (for example) to download the music, and then send it to over here, or to the US.

Surely there must be a few loopholes to exploit?

[dawson99]

there are, but people shouldnt!!

(im such a fuddy duddy)

[Wilhelmsson]

I don't really understand the technicalities of downloading music, but I've a few questions.... how can they identify the offenders?

Is it illegal to file share in Britain?

If it is illegal here, is it not possible for Sabre (for example) to download the music, and then send it to over here, or to the US.

Surely there must be a few loopholes to exploit?

When you upload any material onto the Internet, be it a image, a document or a file attachment, your IP address is left in the codec, which acts as identification. Think of it as a passport or a driving license for your Personal Computer.

It’s illegal to file share in most countries, only people who make mass downloads/uploads or in some cases both are targeted, a person who downloads a few songs once in a while is less than likely going to be targeted.

Sabre can upload music if he wishes; as he has said in Spain it’s not illegal (providing no profit is made from the file sharing). In the US or UK it’s illegal because it’s seen as an easy way of accessing music without purchasing it, therefore the record companies are losing billions of pounds a year.

There are loopholes, Proxy programmes, which wipe your IP address, therefore you cannot be traced and your Internet history cannot be traced.

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There are loopholes, Proxy programmes, which wipe your IP address, therefore you cannot be traced and your Internet history cannot be traced

How do they work and is it worth getting 'proxy programmes' BTW I know feck all about computers ?

[babu]

I don't really understand the technicalities of downloading music, but I've a few questions.... how can they identify the offenders?

Is it illegal to file share in Britain?

If it is illegal here, is it not possible for Sabre (for example) to download the music, and then send it to over here, or to the US.

Surely there must be a few loopholes to exploit?

bit surprised you're asking that LFC2007.

I am no expert, and could be wrong, but i view these sharing sites in a similar vein to the guy who sells VCR's from his trunk. 'Officer i didn't know it was stolen!'

If possession is proven surely you can still be done. Most (not all) music, movies, etc etc available is IP. Therefore if you cannot prove purchase in some form, you can be done (again i only think this).

Loopholes may exist for the facilitator, ie ‘I only provide a conduit to allow file sharing.. am I also required to monitor the traffic?’

As to your question about Tracking. Over here I know its possible for the relevant agency to track, at least to the fixed line, and they do. But whether they can bring it legally in court is another matter. Thank you personal privacy advocates.

In the meantime, I’ll still download copyrighted porn. Yeeebaaah!!!

[Wilhelmsson]

There are loopholes, Proxy programmes, which wipe your IP address, therefore you cannot be traced and your Internet history cannot be traced

How do they work and is it worth getting 'proxy programmes' BTW I know feck all about computers ?

They work by covering up your IP address, say someone has an IP of 10.360.99.8, the Proxy than covers those digits and the IP then become a sequence of dots.

Is it worth getting? I can’t answer this, it’s ultimately your decision whether you choose to or not.

I have never downloaded one, because I have never needed to, I don’t download music or file share so the programme is useless to me.

[AB's Red Army]

If you got to YouTube and have the right program, you can download any video directly to your computer. Including music videos of songs posted by the record company itself.

So once you download that movie, you can use Windows Movie Maker to extract the music from the video and save it into mp3 format.

So there are other ways to get music.

[Wilhelmsson]

AB, I have a programme called ‘YouTube Downloader’ and another programme called Express rip and I-sound which I use sometimes. I’m surprised YouTube haven’t caught on to that loophole.

[AB's Red Army]

AB, I have a programme called ‘YouTube Downloader’ and another programme called Express rip and I-sound which I use sometimes. I’m surprised YouTube haven’t caught on to that loophole.

Same here.

If you install even Real Player, whenever you go to YouTube, the option of ''Directly Download to your computer'' will pop up.

You Tube itself is a loop hole as you say. Up until recently you could watch various shows on there and they have taken it down.

Surely the people who viewed can't be at fault, as they didn't download it?

Then you have similar web sites who stream new movies.

[Wilhelmsson]

I watched many a Jonathan Ross show on you tube, on a Saturday morning after a night on the tiles. Only segments of the Interviews exist on there now. As for Streams we cannot be sued as we are not downloading or uploading the footage, we are just watching them.

[account deleted by request]

There are loopholes, Proxy programmes, which wipe your IP address, therefore you cannot be traced and your Internet history cannot be traced

How do they work and is it worth getting 'proxy programmes' BTW I know feck all about computers ?

Does A Proxy Server Keep Me Anonymous On The Internet?
Online lesson No. 1: Nobody is anonymous on the Web
By: Brian Getting
Comments: 15


No. And that is that. Unless you are a very talented hacker, there is no such thing as anonymity on the Internet. A common misconception about anonymous proxy servers is that they allow you to surf the Internet and do whatever you want without anyone being able to trace you. Again, this is a misconception. "Anonymous" takes on various levels of meaning when it comes to the Internet.

A proxy server is a server that retrieves Web pages for you, providing only its own identity to the sites it visits. Examples of proxy servers are Ninjaproxy.com, Proxyblind.org, and Proxify.com. Most proxy servers that are available for public use simply allow you to surf websites on the Internet without having your browser type, IP address and other header information sent to the website you are viewing. Please don't mistake this to mean that there is not a link between you and that website. It simply means the website itself does not receive this information because the proxy server blocks it. However, all of that information is (usually) collected by the proxy server, along with the requests you made through their proxy.

If they want you bad enough mate, they can get you. Use Binaries and its pretty much impossible to get you. (touch wood)