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[Judge]

NO! What's to stop your child from thinking it's OK to go do it for money because it's legal so that makes it OK? It's wrong, and no woman should ever have to sell their body for money. Another stain on the human condition.

absoultely cannot stand this way of thinking. Trying to force YOUR personal set of morals on other people. Who are you to deny a woman a legal right to earn money for her family just because you do not agree with it? We are not talking about sex slaves, we are talking about legal vouluntary prostitution. Which is basically letting strippers do what 99% of the guys in there wants them to do, and getting paid for it. SHould pornography be illegal?


Its up to you parent your own children, not the government. If you want your children not to do something, then its up to you to teach them that its wrong.

Listen, mate, it's wrong and that's my opinion on it. It might be OK in America where you are from, but in Ireland that sh*t is frowned upon. It's a seedy underbelly of society that my moral values tell me should never be allowed to be accepted. That's the way I was brought up. People should respect themselves, not use their f*cking bodies as pieces of meat for sale. Where do you draw the line, then? Answer me this: would you marry a woman that was a whore? Na, didn't think so either.

I wonder what some of the women on here think. Let's find out.

TBH if it was me and I had a few hungry kids to feed and I needed money I would consider it. I'm not saying its right but at the end of the day its my body and I can do what I like with it. If wanna sell it for sex then surely thats my choice??

ten quid ok kazza

[Sabre]

1) Yes, Even if he's close to death, the doesn't have the right to die as an honorable man with his beloved people surrounding him and in peace, His family doesn't deserve to bury him surrounded by honour and peace.

2) Yes. Prostitution is the oldest job in the world, and it will be continue happening, so legalising it could help to remove the dangers of current prostitution.

3) No, if it was in order the guy felt shame, I would favour making public his name. But such a sick mind hasn't the capability to feel shame, so making public the names would only help popular justice, and I preffer they're dealt by ordinary justice, and the inner justice of the prisons.

[Emerald Red]

NO! What's to stop your child from thinking it's OK to go do it for money because it's legal so that makes it OK? It's wrong, and no woman should ever have to sell their body for money. Another stain on the human condition.

absoultely cannot stand this way of thinking. Trying to force YOUR personal set of morals on other people. Who are you to deny a woman a legal right to earn money for her family just because you do not agree with it? We are not talking about sex slaves, we are talking about legal vouluntary prostitution. Which is basically letting strippers do what 99% of the guys in there wants them to do, and getting paid for it. SHould pornography be illegal?


Its up to you parent your own children, not the government. If you want your children not to do something, then its up to you to teach them that its wrong.

Listen, mate, it's wrong and that's my opinion on it. It might be OK in America where you are from, but in Ireland that sh*t is frowned upon. It's a seedy underbelly of society that my moral values tell me should never be allowed to be accepted. That's the way I was brought up. People should respect themselves, not use their f*cking bodies as pieces of meat for sale. Where do you draw the line, then? Answer me this: would you marry a woman that was a whore? Na, didn't think so either.

I wonder what some of the women on here think. Let's find out.

TBH if it was me and I had a few hungry kids to feed and I needed money I would consider it. I'm not saying its right but at the end of the day its my body and I can do what I like with it. If wanna sell it for sex then surely thats my choice??

Your choice, aye, but why should you even be forced to consider that as an option. If you do, then something is wrong with the society you're living in. It's just a quick, and ultimately shameful way to make money. I understand that legalizing it could be a good thing for those that made that choice, as it protects them, but in doing so, you create a whole lot of other set of issues. Fix one problem, create a dozen more.

[Emerald Red]

As a libertarian I am all for legalization of prostitution. It would make life much safer for prostitutes as they would no longer need pimps. Instead they would work at real places of business and get health insurance and the like.   I am sure that if it ever was legalized it would be an all over 18 thing, and in fact you would not see them walking the streets for money, because they wouldn't have to. People would know where the brothels were and if they wanted some sex, they would simply go to them just like you go to Macdonalds if you want a Big Mac.  There would probably also be zoning laws that brothels couldn't be within a certain distance of schools.




Don't like the general term "sex offender" because you can throw that around and cause a lot of harm to people who aren't the sickos that you normally think of when you hear the term. In some states, an 18 year old having a 17 year old girlfriend that he has sex with is enough to put you away as a "sex offender"

Well said Joe.

In Ireland abortion is still frowned upon, the Church give them their morals.

Legalise prostitution !

So you're saying abortion is OK?

[JBG]

As a libertarian I am all for legalization of prostitution. It would make life much safer for prostitutes as they would no longer need pimps. Instead they would work at real places of business and get health insurance and the like.   I am sure that if it ever was legalized it would be an all over 18 thing, and in fact you would not see them walking the streets for money, because they wouldn't have to. People would know where the brothels were and if they wanted some sex, they would simply go to them just like you go to Macdonalds if you want a Big Mac.  There would probably also be zoning laws that brothels couldn't be within a certain distance of schools.




Don't like the general term "sex offender" because you can throw that around and cause a lot of harm to people who aren't the sickos that you normally think of when you hear the term. In some states, an 18 year old having a 17 year old girlfriend that he has sex with is enough to put you away as a "sex offender"

Well said Joe.

In Ireland abortion is still frowned upon, the Church give them their morals.

Legalise prostitution !

Might have been true once upon a time but not anymore. The Catholic Church no longer has much sway and most young people (although not all) no longer actively practice religion, much in the same way as thats true for the UK, Germany, France, wherever.

[Emerald Red]

As a libertarian I am all for legalization of prostitution. It would make life much safer for prostitutes as they would no longer need pimps. Instead they would work at real places of business and get health insurance and the like.   I am sure that if it ever was legalized it would be an all over 18 thing, and in fact you would not see them walking the streets for money, because they wouldn't have to. People would know where the brothels were and if they wanted some sex, they would simply go to them just like you go to Macdonalds if you want a Big Mac.  There would probably also be zoning laws that brothels couldn't be within a certain distance of schools.




Don't like the general term "sex offender" because you can throw that around and cause a lot of harm to people who aren't the sickos that you normally think of when you hear the term. In some states, an 18 year old having a 17 year old girlfriend that he has sex with is enough to put you away as a "sex offender"

Well said Joe.

In Ireland abortion is still frowned upon, the Church give them their morals.

Legalise prostitution !

Might have been true once upon a time but not anymore. The Catholic Church no longer has much sway and most young people (although not all) no longer actively practice religion, much in the same way as thats true for the UK, Germany, France, wherever.

You're right about that. Sadly, it seems to be a recent thing too.

[JBG]

Its not 100% the case, a few of my friends (early 30s) still go to mass regulalry but the vast majority of people I know under 40 don't go to mass.

[Emerald Red]

Its not 100% the case, a few of my friends (early 30s) still go to mass regulalry but the vast majority of people I know under 40 don't go to mass.

I don't go either, but going there isn't really the point, really. Religion should be a personal thing regardless if you go to mass or not. I find the whole sermon thing a bit cult-like for me. I never used to think that way, but there's just something about repeating something with dozens of people in a room at the same time out loud. I tend not to if I'm in mass, and just say the words in my head.

[JBG]

seeing how everyone is sensibly putting their opinions across and no one is name-calling or abusing...i thought maybe we could have another debate that MIGHT become controversial depending on the examples used to put points across. but of course if it crosses the line then the thread would be locked. so the topics are:

1) should we continue to prosecute Nazi war criminals for crimes they committed decades ago?


2) should prostitution be legalised ? do the benefits of legalisation or decriminalization outweigh the possible dangers? IMO, one way to see it is that it would reduce the chances of your wife/daughter being rape. like..the prostitutes would do us a societal favour.


3) should sex offenders be publicly named? should they be chemically castrated as a punishment too?

1. Yes. However, the reality is that pretty much all the Nazis who had any kind of clout and who ordered these crimes are now dead and only lower ranking soldiers who carried out these orders are still alive. I have no doubt that there are still a few thousand rank and file members of the Wehrmacht, Gestapo and the SS still alive who may have taken part in attrocities but the question has to be asked whether we should move on and focus international efforts on rounding up the numerous big fish who ordered attrocities in other wars since.

2. I'm in favour of legalising prostitution. Like drugs its never going to going away, women (and men) will always sell their bodies until the end of time. I think by legalising it we give more power to the prostitutes, take them off the streets and into regulated brothels where their welfare would be far better looked after. I'm oblivious to the morality of prostitution in the same way as I'm oblivious to the morality of using drugs, morality unfortunately doesnt help the situation as people will always do it and if we can protect the prostitutes and improve their quality of life I'm all for it.

3. Sex offenders in my opinion should at the very least face extremely long prison sentences and should forfeit all of their assets to their victim. I would also be in favour of chemical castration of repeat offenders.

[maypaxvobiscum]

Maypaxvobiscum do you ever sleep?

You seem to be on here 24/7 

different timezones Ciggy. im unsure what the time difference is here to there but im gonna need help so i wont log on 3 hours before the match and ask for streams

[JoeTerp]

NO! What's to stop your child from thinking it's OK to go do it for money because it's legal so that makes it OK? It's wrong, and no woman should ever have to sell their body for money. Another stain on the human condition.

absoultely cannot stand this way of thinking. Trying to force YOUR personal set of morals on other people. Who are you to deny a woman a legal right to earn money for her family just because you do not agree with it? We are not talking about sex slaves, we are talking about legal vouluntary prostitution. Which is basically letting strippers do what 99% of the guys in there wants them to do, and getting paid for it. SHould pornography be illegal?


Its up to you parent your own children, not the government. If you want your children not to do something, then its up to you to teach them that its wrong.

Listen, mate, it's wrong and that's my opinion on it. It might be OK in America where you are from, but in Ireland that sh*t is frowned upon. It's a seedy underbelly of society that my moral values tell me should never be allowed to be accepted. That's the way I was brought up. People should respect themselves, not use their f*cking bodies as pieces of meat for sale. Where do you draw the line, then? Answer me this: would you marry a woman that was a whore? Na, didn't think so either.

I wonder what some of the women on here think. Let's find out.

TBH if it was me and I had a few hungry kids to feed and I needed money I would consider it. I'm not saying its right but at the end of the day its my body and I can do what I like with it. If wanna sell it for sex then surely thats my choice??

Your choice, aye, but why should you even be forced to consider that as an option. If you do, then something is wrong with the society you're living in. It's just a quick, and ultimately shameful way to make money. I understand that legalizing it could be a good thing for those that made that choice, as it protects them, but in doing so, you create a whole lot of other set of issues. Fix one problem, create a dozen more.

what are all these other problems that would be created that don't already exist in a world where there is blackmarket prostitution?

And again, it may be shameful in your eyes, but nobody is making you solicit or become a prostitute so why should your opinion matter, or why should that make it illegal?

I think there would be something much more wrong with a society that did not allow its own people the freedom to do with their bodies and make their own living as they pleased.

"forced to consider it as an option" what the heck does that mean? Nobody forced me to consider commercial pilot as an option or family social worker, how would people be "forced" to consider prostitution as an option for a job?

Just because it becomes legal, doesn't mean you are going to see all these women all of a sudden changing their views and signing up to become prostitutes. Its going to be the same people who would make that choice anyway, only now they are much more protected, which will more than likely allow them to stop quicker (or get out of the business at all)

[Big Niall]

F*ck the church. If I want my morals taught to me by silly superstition I'll read Harry Potter.

I agree with Joe terp on this one, individual choice.

It has been around since the dawn of time and will be hear until the end of time.

[maypaxvobiscum]

so far, everyone is in favour of prosecuting Nazis regardless of age.
mixed reception for naming sexual offenders publicly.
and the prostitution debate is still going on. i personally feel prostitutes are just like social escorts except without the education (most of them) and cheaper.

the next question id like to know is based on food. now us non-veggies all eat meat. the common ones like chicken, fish, duck, pork, lamb. but how about sharks, an animal that is endangered. and i was speaking to my former colleague whose Aussie and she says she'll be cooking me a meal. thing is, she said its from kangaroo.

is there a line that is being crossed when we actually eat such animals that are not on the typical restaurant menu? kangaroos, sharks, deers, monkey brains. its just a bit too much. oh and frog legs, anyone tried it?

[maypaxvobiscum]

seeing how everyone is sensibly putting their opinions across and no one is name-calling or abusing...i thought maybe we could have another debate that MIGHT become controversial depending on the examples used to put points across. but of course if it crosses the line then the thread would be locked. so the topics are:

1) should we continue to prosecute Nazi war criminals for crimes they committed decades ago?


2) should prostitution be legalised ? do the benefits of legalisation or decriminalization outweigh the possible dangers? IMO, one way to see it is that it would reduce the chances of your wife/daughter being rape. like..the prostitutes would do us a societal favour.


3) should sex offenders be publicly named? should they be chemically castrated as a punishment too?

1. Yes. However, the reality is that pretty much all the Nazis who had any kind of clout and who ordered these crimes are now dead and only lower ranking soldiers who carried out these orders are still alive. I have no doubt that there are still a few thousand rank and file members of the Wehrmacht, Gestapo and the SS still alive who may have taken part in attrocities but the question has to be asked whether we should move on and focus international efforts on rounding up the numerous big fish who ordered attrocities in other wars since.

2. I'm in favour of legalising prostitution. Like drugs its never going to going away, women (and men) will always sell their bodies until the end of time. I think by legalising it we give more power to the prostitutes, take them off the streets and into regulated brothels where their welfare would be far better looked after. I'm oblivious to the morality of prostitution in the same way as I'm oblivious to the morality of using drugs, morality unfortunately doesnt help the situation as people will always do it and if we can protect the prostitutes and improve their quality of life I'm all for it.

3. Sex offenders in my opinion should at the very least face extremely long prison sentences and should forfeit all of their assets to their victim. I would also be in favour of chemical castration of repeat offenders.

thats a very good point which none has brought up regarding how we should move on and focus on the big fishes. its tough. you make sense there - moving on. but the fear is what if the ideology has been passed on to the younger ones....

[Bad Bob]

what if the ideology has been passed on to the younger ones....

Every German I've met of my generation or younger has been raised to abhore what happened under the Nazis so I think it would take a massive, society-wide moral collapse for them to revisit those kinds of attitudes on a collective scale.

Anyway, I agree with people that say that any Nazis still kicking out about who were definitely involved in high-level decision making regarding the Holocaust should be rounded up and prosecuted, regardless of age.  I think JBG's point is excellent though--there are other war criminals out there that need apprehending and prosecuting as well.

On the other topics...

I agree with legalized prostitution for a lot of the reasons already mentioned (safer and more regulated)

I would support chemical castration for repeat sex offenders but would not like to support any initiative that encourages witch hunts, vigilante justice etc. so am more ambivalent about the naming and shaming idea.  Perhaps putting a GPS bracelet on offenders to ensure they stay away from high risk areas, such as schools, playgrounds etc. would help keep released offenders on the straight and narrow?

As a meat eater, I don't object to people eating "exotic" game so long as the species is not endangered.  Food is such a central component of culture that I wouldn't want to dictate what other peoples can or cannot eat--even if we happen to find the creatures cute and cuddly.