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[Garcia10]

Yes, you support terrorism, I don't therefore you are trying to act like a jumped up member of the Intelligensia.

You are seriously fecked up in the head, I don't support terrorism. I support the liberation of Afghanistan, NOT IRAQ, I support our attempts to quash Afghanistan as a terrorist training camp for Al qaeda, I support the prevention of the Taliban reuturning to harbour terrorists who want to destroy the west.

You on the other hand live by ideals and not REALITY.

Yes I am f.ucked in the head for wanting world peace and if that means taking the Middle East and US down a peg or two then so be it. US is the root cause of this nonsense.

[redtrader74]

I have yet to hear any friends description about any terror suspect, ' He was a raving lunatic, he hated the UK, and wanted to kill all non muslims' these nutters are not going to divulge their deepest darkest thoughts to anyone, but those that are like minded.

If you live in this country you have no choice but to go to School, if you want any decent money you have to work, therefore that can not be construed as assimilated or integrated.

I am not confusing the situation, it is a matter of definition, i accept that homegrown means they were born and brought up in the UK, but in no way was their life assimilated into the British way of life, the only parts that were, were those that they could not avoid.

Well by the admission of close friends who by observation from the interviews I've seen seemed to give a fairly strong endorsement that they had assimilated and integrated into society like any other ethnic denomination of their age would.

, yet masquerade as terrorists. They are not random outcasts, they assimilate within society just as much as any other ethnic youth would do of their age, no less.

You won't find many places in the U.K. where ethnic groups integrate as much as what you would consider fully integrated and accepting of one another but within that standard - he was considered assimilated into society.

The standard of integration is lower for all muslims, it's not just reserved for those who harbour visceral terrorist urges. 

So yes, by that standard, he was very much considered assimilated and integrated into the community.

I know the community that bred most of the terror suspects very well, in the main they do not integrate into society, certain classes within them will, but they inherently live a different way in Pakistan.

They assimilate into society, they integrate into society within the bounds of their own religious beliefs and standard of their community

If these bounds are at the opposite spectrum of the British society as a whole, how can you say they integrate? As i said they only integrated as far as needs forced, eg had to be educated, had to work.

You think they integrate as much as any other youth of ethnic origin, i can tell you first hand you are incorrect, my own ethnic origin, although coming to the country at the same time, are far more intregrated into  British society, as are many others, the Chinese, West Indians, Jewish etc.

I think you agree but are finding it hard to say so

[The Grudge]

Its fuc.king not unfair!

Listen fella these are not homegrown terrorists.Their families came here in the 60s and 70s te escape persecution supposedly and find a better life! Their mothers have them Britain feeds and clothes them,from birth.We give them every opportunity they would never get in their homelands,a chance of a great life to be what they want!

THEY CHOOSE to jump on the extremist bandwagan and try to cause murder and chaos in our great country.They are a stain on the world and need put down.
They can plant all the bombs they want the bunch of fuc.king animals..they will NEVER beat us because we are better people!We are civilized and decent.

Muppet, go feck yerself.

The 7/7 terrorists were born and raised in Leeds, they were HOMEGROWN terrorists.

If you want to harp back a few generations, I'm sure there is someone in your bloodline who was not a member of the indigenous population of Britain.

Home grown my ar.se! They were born in Leeds but their scumbag families came from the middle East!

They were British citizens but not British if you get me!

And yeah maybe i do have ancestors from other countries we all do!The difference is mate my generation of my family are not trying to kill our countrymen we simply want to live in peace and be happy.

You cannot undersrtand my hatred for these terrorists and thats OK.The problem is fella they need put down now before every major city becomes a warzone in the near future.

Its people like you who say'Its not affecting me'that our the problem.People need to speak out and make the government take action and weed the rats out!

As for their human rights they dont deserve any..Lock the bas.tards up in Guantanamo bay and let them rot.

[The Grudge]

Yes, you support terrorism, I don't therefore you are trying to act like a jumped up member of the Intelligensia.

You are seriously fecked up in the head, I don't support terrorism. I support the liberation of Afghanistan, NOT IRAQ, I support our attempts to quash Afghanistan as a terrorist training camp for Al qaeda, I support the prevention of the Taliban reuturning to harbour terrorists who want to destroy the west.

You on the other hand live by ideals and not REALITY.

Yes I am f.ucked in the head for wanting world peace and if that means taking the Middle East and US down a peg or two then so be it. US is the root cause of this nonsense.

Karim go and fuc.k your Mother you stinking little runt!

[Garcia10]

Yes, you support terrorism, I don't therefore you are trying to act like a jumped up member of the Intelligensia.

You are seriously fecked up in the head, I don't support terrorism. I support the liberation of Afghanistan, NOT IRAQ, I support our attempts to quash Afghanistan as a terrorist training camp for Al qaeda, I support the prevention of the Taliban reuturning to harbour terrorists who want to destroy the west.

You on the other hand live by ideals and not REALITY.

Yes I am f.ucked in the head for wanting world peace and if that means taking the Middle East and US down a peg or two then so be it. US is the root cause of this nonsense.

Karim go and fuc.k your Mother you stinking little runt!

When was the last time a White man had a Indian name? 

Look, you're a fascist bigot, that's fine, but what happened in Stalingrad? You were beaten back into non-existant.

[The Grudge]

Yes, you support terrorism, I don't therefore you are trying to act like a jumped up member of the Intelligensia.

You are seriously fecked up in the head, I don't support terrorism. I support the liberation of Afghanistan, NOT IRAQ, I support our attempts to quash Afghanistan as a terrorist training camp for Al qaeda, I support the prevention of the Taliban reuturning to harbour terrorists who want to destroy the west.

You on the other hand live by ideals and not REALITY.

Yes I am f.ucked in the head for wanting world peace and if that means taking the Middle East and US down a peg or two then so be it. US is the root cause of this nonsense.

Karim go and fuc.k your Mother you stinking little runt!

When was the last time a White man had a Indian name? 

Look, you're a fascist bigot, that's fine, but what happened in Stalingrad? You were beaten back into non-existant.

I was never in Stalingrad Karim!

Still as crazy as ever you are!

[LFC2007]

I know the community that bred most of the terror suspects very well, in the main they do not integrate into society, certain classes within them will, but they inherently live a different way in Pakistan.

They assimilate into society, they integrate into society within the bounds of their own religious beliefs and standard of their community

If these bounds are at the opposite spectrum of the British society as a whole, how can you say they integrate? As i said they only integrated as far as needs forced, eg had to be educated, had to work.

You think they integrate as much as any other youth of ethnic origin, i can tell you first hand you are incorrect, my own ethnic origin, although coming to the country at the same time, are far more intregrated into  British society, as are many others, the Chinese, West Indians, Jewish etc.

I think you agree but are finding it hard to say so

I don't agree, if you're telling me you know the community that bred the 7/7 bombers then OK you may have a point. However, within that community, close friends and work colleagues of the 7/7 bombers gave several interviews showing clearly that they had integrated into society and were considered no more or no less as assimilated as their other friend of the same ethnic denomination.

They were so shocked that they could do these things on that very basis, that they were no less part of the community than most of their fellow Muslim friends.

They integrate within the standard of their community, if that whole community e.g. the Muslim community of Beeston has not integrated fully into that town then the standard of integration is relative to that community. The standard of integration for these terrorists is the equivalent of what the same person of the same age, of the same religious (yet not extremist) beliefs would be, and by that standard - on the admission of people close to them - was no different to what they would go by - hence why they were so shocked when they found out who perpetrated the attacks.

[redtrader74]

Yes, you support terrorism, I don't therefore you are trying to act like a jumped up member of the Intelligensia.

You are seriously fecked up in the head, I don't support terrorism. I support the liberation of Afghanistan, NOT IRAQ, I support our attempts to quash Afghanistan as a terrorist training camp for Al qaeda, I support the prevention of the Taliban reuturning to harbour terrorists who want to destroy the west.

You on the other hand live by ideals and not REALITY.

Yes I am f.ucked in the head for wanting world peace and if that means taking the Middle East and US down a peg or two then so be it. US is the root cause of this nonsense.

Karim go and fuc.k your Mother you stinking little runt!

When was the last time a White man had a Indian name? 

Look, you're a fascist bigot, that's fine, but what happened in Stalingrad? You were beaten back into non-existant.

Cat Stevens is now Yusef Islam, there one.

[The Grudge]

Cassius Clay became Muhamed Ali!! Theres two.....

[Kharhaz]

Its all coming down to the simple point that it is the muslims causing the trouble. But its the muslims in the majority who can do something about it that keep quiet. I agree with the argument that immigrants do make this country better, they are genuinely here because there life sucks in there home country so they come here and work the backside off to fit. And to these people I hail, welcome to britain, but it really is a minority who are here to make our life miserable, the arguments they have are purely political but these extremists insist on punishing the innocent. The fact is, they give there lies to be here, pleading innocence, and yet these people are let through because we give them the benefit of the doubt, they are here to kill us. Everytime its a case of, Its because allah commands it. We are in a situation what was created by the politicians. Everytime its the people of britain who suffer. Heres one, just close the damn border lines. Things are getting to the point where we cant trust anyone who comes to this country. Close the borders and concentrate on who is here.

[LFC2007]

Its people like you who say'Its not affecting me'that our the problem.People need to speak out and make the government take action and weed the rats out!

You clearly haven't been reading this thread, you haven't a fecking clue mate.

They were British, just as British as you are. If you're saying that because their grandparents emigrated here in the 50's they are not British and hence not homegrown then go feck yerself, that is as right wing as they come.

There is probably someone in your bloodline who is an immigrant from a far away country, so that is no excuse whatsoever.

The families of these homegrown terrorists do not want to kill people, they want peace just as much as you or me. It is radical groups within communities that have grown over the past 6/7 years that lure these people to terrorism, it has NOTHING to do with their parents country of origin.

[Garcia10]

Cassius Clay became Muhamed Ali!! Theres two.....

He's black you moron. 

[LFC2007]

I agree with the argument that immigrants do make this country better. Close the borders and concentrate on who is here.

You contadict yourself in the same post, immigration is ok but close our borders - work that one out! 

[redtrader74]

I know the community that bred most of the terror suspects very well, in the main they do not integrate into society, certain classes within them will, but they inherently live a different way in Pakistan.

They assimilate into society, they integrate into society within the bounds of their own religious beliefs and standard of their community

If these bounds are at the opposite spectrum of the British society as a whole, how can you say they integrate? As i said they only integrated as far as needs forced, eg had to be educated, had to work.

You think they integrate as much as any other youth of ethnic origin, i can tell you first hand you are incorrect, my own ethnic origin, although coming to the country at the same time, are far more intregrated into  British society, as are many others, the Chinese, West Indians, Jewish etc.

I think you agree but are finding it hard to say so

I don't agree, if you're telling me you know the community that bred the 7/7 bombers then OK you may have a point. However, within that community, close friends and work colleagues of the 7/7 bombers gave several interviews showing clearly that they had integrated into society and were considered no more or no less as assimilated as their other friend of the same ethnic denomination.

They were so shocked that they could do these things on that very basis, that they were no less part of the community than most of their fellow Muslim friends.

They integrate within the standard of their community, if that whole community e.g. the Muslim community of Beeston has not integrated fully into that town then the standard of integration is relative to that community. The standard of integration for these terrorists is the equivalent of what the same person of the same age, of the same religious (yet not extremist) beliefs would be, and by that standard - on the admission of people close to them - was no different to what they would go by - hence why they were so shocked when they found out who perpetrated the attacks.

and as you said that integration is very low, therefore hardly integration at all, As i said they integrated as much as they needed to, to survive, what it seems in a round about fashion you are saying. Like i said i think you agree.

My major issue with the homegrown thing, is how it is portrayed in the media, a lot of;

'how did this happen',

'how did we allow it',

'where did we let them down',

'what did we do wrong', '

a racist society has made them an underclass'.

My point is that if you have a section of the community who, in the majority, refuse to join in, hold the indignous population in contempt, whose belief sysytem is far more important than nation or fellow man, then don't blame yourself when things go wrong, blame them, because at no stage were they one of us.

[Kharhaz]

I agree with the argument that immigrants do make this country better. Close the borders and concentrate on who is here.

You contadict yourself in the same post, immigration is ok but close our borders - work that one out! 

Immigrants do make a differance but its becoming to dangerous to let just anyone through now. Contradiction in terms ? maybe, but im not wrong, there are too many extremists having a bigger say.