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[Garcia10]

The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

Explain Bali and Madrids bombings?? Last time i checked they were not in any of the 50 states.

Explain why the US Army raped Vietnamise women, killed innocent children and destroyed the nation. Explain why the US is so obsessed with remaining as a super power, they are willing to sell arms to nations in order to eliminate competition? Explain why the US supplies arms to Israel to use against neighbouring Arab countries, therefore creating tension and conflict in the Middle East.

And didn't your beloved USSR communists do the same in Afghanistan? The same in supplying Iran? Syria?

I'm a Marxist, not a Leninist or Stalinist and yes they did to fight against US occupation. I didn't agree with this, but that's Stalin's prerogative.

[Garcia10]

If people want to rage against one another, that's fine by me, aslong as it's not on my door step. If the UK wants to stop terrorism on it's door step, then they should stop bullying smaller countries. If there was no forceful US foreign Policy the world would be much safer.

Who decides who intervenes? The US? If it wasn't for the Soviet Union then Americans like Malcolm X would still be present, let me guess he was a terrorist too? America are terrorists just as much as the radical "Islamists" are. Ask an innocent Iraqi who has lost his wife and children to a US bomb if he thinks the US aren't terrorists?

War is not an option and as I say, the US needs to learn and Communism will teach the US a fundamental lesson.

You really haven't got a clue mate, you have to intervene in certain areas, like Afghanistan - Iraq is a different issue. If the world conformed to your model radical islamists would dominate the middle east and procure nuclear weapons, I don't think you understand the connotations of this. If Afghanistan was left to its own devices, the Taliban would return, so would Al qaeda, what would there be to stop Pakistan or Iran leaking them the information that is necessary needed to proliferate nuclear weapons.

But your theory doesn't account for this, launching a nuclear attack on the west is ok I guess - after all as ong as they don't end up on our doorstep. 

If it doesn't affect me, my family or my friends, then I do not care. The chances of a nuke every being used again is very slim, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

[redtrader74]

The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

Explain Bali and Madrids bombings?? Last time i checked they were not in any of the 50 states.

Explain why the US Army raped Vietnamise women, killed innocent children and destroyed the nation. Explain why the US is so obsessed with remaining as a super power, they are willing to sell arms to nations in order to eliminate competition? Explain why the US supplies arms to Israel to use against neighbouring Arab countries, therefore creating tension and conflict in the Middle East.

YOU SAID IT WAS DOWN TO THE US, therefore explain why the Cunts bombed Bali and Madrid??

Ask them.

Clearly by a matter of logical deduction it is the West that they hate. The US is a handy excuse. Oh and BTW didn't your mate Putin have a bit of a problem with the Chechen Muslims aswell? His policies are also on AQ's to do list.

[LFC2007]

These are not home grown terrorists, they are born, raised and live in the main, in areas densely populated with Muslims. They live in a totally alien way of life to rest of us, speaking predominatly urdu etc. Watching channels on sattelite from their parents country, and educated in Islam from mullahs who generally come from abroad, nothing home grown there.

You say they're not homegrown terrorists then give a definition of what a homegrown terrorist is 

Homegrown as in, born and raised in Britain, not as in, their parents are teaching them to be terrorists at home!

Home grown is someone who has been an active part of society in general, joined in with the British way of life, where English, when born here, is the first language. Someone who actually considers themselves British/ English. Homegrown terrorist to me sounds as though a normal average guy, like you and me, suddenly one day switched over to hating the UK, and everyone here, and thats not what happened, they were never like you and me.

They were born here, but did not integrate into the British way of life, their overriding influence was their parents background, religion and language.

The meaning of homegrwon terrorism is clear, someone who is born in Britain, who in all likelihood came from an immigrant background but who has assimilated into society nonetheless.

The definiton of homegrown terrorism is Mohamed sidique khan. That is homegrown terrorism, not Jon Smith who goes down the pub for a pint and a game of darts.

The 7/7 bombers integrated into society, they turned radical in their 20's.

They had neither assimilated or integrated, they just happened to be born here. Look at their background, where they lived, how they lived, the only part of British life they took on was that which was forced upon them, eg having to go to school, having to find work.

If you went to those areas, you'd find that kids in school, especially at a young age, speak to each other in their own language, assimilated?

I distinctly remember an interview with a friend of one of the 7/7 bombings who gave a ringing endorsement to the fact that he was an ordinary citizen on the face of it, he had assimilated into society - went to University - ended up helping children with special needs in a local primary school. All appears well and yes they did assimilate into society, though behind the facade is a terrorist masquerading as a normal citizen.

So yes, they did assimilate into society.

Issues of immigrants integrating into society are totally separate of this issue, I think you are confusing the issue of homegrown terrorists with immigrants assimilating into society.

People who are born and raised here don't speak other languages often - immigrants do, but not often those who are from an immigrant background but were born here.

[LFC2007]

If people want to rage against one another, that's fine by me, aslong as it's not on my door step. If the UK wants to stop terrorism on it's door step, then they should stop bullying smaller countries. If there was no forceful US foreign Policy the world would be much safer.

Who decides who intervenes? The US? If it wasn't for the Soviet Union then Americans like Malcolm X would still be present, let me guess he was a terrorist too? America are terrorists just as much as the radical "Islamists" are. Ask an innocent Iraqi who has lost his wife and children to a US bomb if he thinks the US aren't terrorists?

War is not an option and as I say, the US needs to learn and Communism will teach the US a fundamental lesson.

You really haven't got a clue mate, you have to intervene in certain areas, like Afghanistan - Iraq is a different issue. If the world conformed to your model radical islamists would dominate the middle east and procure nuclear weapons, I don't think you understand the connotations of this. If Afghanistan was left to its own devices, the Taliban would return, so would Al qaeda, what would there be to stop Pakistan or Iran leaking them the information that is necessary needed to proliferate nuclear weapons.

But your theory doesn't account for this, launching a nuclear attack on the west is ok I guess - after all as ong as they don't end up on our doorstep. 

If it doesn't affect me, my family or my friends, then I do not care. The chances of a nuke every being used again is very slim, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

You wouldn't lose any sleep because you are an ignorant twa,t. The chances of a radical regime coming to power in an unstable country like Afghanistan and acquiring nuclear capabilities is a very real threat - one you are too thick to understand.

[Garcia10]

The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

Explain Bali and Madrids bombings?? Last time i checked they were not in any of the 50 states.

Explain why the US Army raped Vietnamise women, killed innocent children and destroyed the nation. Explain why the US is so obsessed with remaining as a super power, they are willing to sell arms to nations in order to eliminate competition? Explain why the US supplies arms to Israel to use against neighbouring Arab countries, therefore creating tension and conflict in the Middle East.

YOU SAID IT WAS DOWN TO THE US, therefore explain why the Cunts bombed Bali and Madrid??

Ask them.

Clearly by a matter of logical deduction it is the West that they hate. The US is a handy excuse. Oh and BTW didn't your mate Putin have a bit of a problem with the Chechen Muslims aswell? His policies are also on AQ's to do list.

This is true, I am not defending Muslims, in fact I hate Islam, but I also hate the US and Putin is Putin he does what he likes, whether or not I agree with it remains to be seen.

I am not worried about the US and their Christian Crusade through the Middle East and I am not worried about the Islamic crusades through the West, because Communism will pervail and no religious divides will exist.

[Garcia10]

If people want to rage against one another, that's fine by me, aslong as it's not on my door step. If the UK wants to stop terrorism on it's door step, then they should stop bullying smaller countries. If there was no forceful US foreign Policy the world would be much safer.

Who decides who intervenes? The US? If it wasn't for the Soviet Union then Americans like Malcolm X would still be present, let me guess he was a terrorist too? America are terrorists just as much as the radical "Islamists" are. Ask an innocent Iraqi who has lost his wife and children to a US bomb if he thinks the US aren't terrorists?

War is not an option and as I say, the US needs to learn and Communism will teach the US a fundamental lesson.

You really haven't got a clue mate, you have to intervene in certain areas, like Afghanistan - Iraq is a different issue. If the world conformed to your model radical islamists would dominate the middle east and procure nuclear weapons, I don't think you understand the connotations of this. If Afghanistan was left to its own devices, the Taliban would return, so would Al qaeda, what would there be to stop Pakistan or Iran leaking them the information that is necessary needed to proliferate nuclear weapons.

But your theory doesn't account for this, launching a nuclear attack on the west is ok I guess - after all as ong as they don't end up on our doorstep. 

If it doesn't affect me, my family or my friends, then I do not care. The chances of a nuke every being used again is very slim, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

You wouldn't lose any sleep because you are an ignorant twa,t. The chances of a radical regime coming to power in an unstable country like Afghanistan and acquiring nuclear capabilities is a very real threat - one you are too thick to understand.

Propaganda, Propaganda. Everyone falls for Propaganda.

[LFC2007]

This is true, I am not defending Muslims, in fact I hate Islam, but I also hate the US and Putin is Putin he does what he likes, whether or not I agree with it remains to be seen.

I am not worried about the US and their Christian Crusade through the Middle East and I am not worried about the Islamic crusades through the West, because Communism will pervail and no religious divides will exist.

You are a nutter, one fecked up nutter.

[LFC2007]

If people want to rage against one another, that's fine by me, aslong as it's not on my door step. If the UK wants to stop terrorism on it's door step, then they should stop bullying smaller countries. If there was no forceful US foreign Policy the world would be much safer.

Who decides who intervenes? The US? If it wasn't for the Soviet Union then Americans like Malcolm X would still be present, let me guess he was a terrorist too? America are terrorists just as much as the radical "Islamists" are. Ask an innocent Iraqi who has lost his wife and children to a US bomb if he thinks the US aren't terrorists?

War is not an option and as I say, the US needs to learn and Communism will teach the US a fundamental lesson.

You really haven't got a clue mate, you have to intervene in certain areas, like Afghanistan - Iraq is a different issue. If the world conformed to your model radical islamists would dominate the middle east and procure nuclear weapons, I don't think you understand the connotations of this. If Afghanistan was left to its own devices, the Taliban would return, so would Al qaeda, what would there be to stop Pakistan or Iran leaking them the information that is necessary needed to proliferate nuclear weapons.

But your theory doesn't account for this, launching a nuclear attack on the west is ok I guess - after all as ong as they don't end up on our doorstep. 

If it doesn't affect me, my family or my friends, then I do not care. The chances of a nuke every being used again is very slim, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

You wouldn't lose any sleep because you are an ignorant twa,t. The chances of a radical regime coming to power in an unstable country like Afghanistan and acquiring nuclear capabilities is a very real threat - one you are too thick to understand.

Propaganda, Propaganda. Everyone falls for Propaganda.

Propaganda? , no - REALITY. If you want to live in cloud cuckoo land where the birds are singing to the tune of the marxist symphony orchestra then that's your prerogative, it's just a very sad indictment on your part.

[Garcia10]

What's to fear and what is f.ucked up about the concept of Egalitarianism?

[Garcia10]

If people want to rage against one another, that's fine by me, aslong as it's not on my door step. If the UK wants to stop terrorism on it's door step, then they should stop bullying smaller countries. If there was no forceful US foreign Policy the world would be much safer.

Who decides who intervenes? The US? If it wasn't for the Soviet Union then Americans like Malcolm X would still be present, let me guess he was a terrorist too? America are terrorists just as much as the radical "Islamists" are. Ask an innocent Iraqi who has lost his wife and children to a US bomb if he thinks the US aren't terrorists?

War is not an option and as I say, the US needs to learn and Communism will teach the US a fundamental lesson.

You really haven't got a clue mate, you have to intervene in certain areas, like Afghanistan - Iraq is a different issue. If the world conformed to your model radical islamists would dominate the middle east and procure nuclear weapons, I don't think you understand the connotations of this. If Afghanistan was left to its own devices, the Taliban would return, so would Al qaeda, what would there be to stop Pakistan or Iran leaking them the information that is necessary needed to proliferate nuclear weapons.

But your theory doesn't account for this, launching a nuclear attack on the west is ok I guess - after all as ong as they don't end up on our doorstep. 

If it doesn't affect me, my family or my friends, then I do not care. The chances of a nuke every being used again is very slim, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

You wouldn't lose any sleep because you are an ignorant twa,t. The chances of a radical regime coming to power in an unstable country like Afghanistan and acquiring nuclear capabilities is a very real threat - one you are too thick to understand.

Propaganda, Propaganda. Everyone falls for Propaganda.

Propaganda? , no - REALITY. If you want to live in cloud cuckoo land where the birds are singing to the tune of the marxist symphony orchestra then that's your prerogative, it's just a very sad indictment on your part.

You believe what the US and UK spin doctors feed you and I'll believe Marx everyone is happy. You are supporting Western Terrorism, which is just as bad as Middle Eastern terrorism.

[LFC2007]

What's to fear and what is f.ucked up about the concept of Egalitarianism?

Egalitarianism is a model, it is not reality, it is an ideal not REALITY.

If you deal in REALITY you accept that there are threats abroad that you have to actively address, if you don't terrorism will end up on your doorstep in an even greater capacity. The idea that these terrorists will call a truce if we withdrew from the middle east is crazy, it is an ideal, it is not REALITY.

[redtrader74]

These are not home grown terrorists, they are born, raised and live in the main, in areas densely populated with Muslims. They live in a totally alien way of life to rest of us, speaking predominatly urdu etc. Watching channels on sattelite from their parents country, and educated in Islam from mullahs who generally come from abroad, nothing home grown there.

You say they're not homegrown terrorists then give a definition of what a homegrown terrorist is 

Homegrown as in, born and raised in Britain, not as in, their parents are teaching them to be terrorists at home!

Home grown is someone who has been an active part of society in general, joined in with the British way of life, where English, when born here, is the first language. Someone who actually considers themselves British/ English. Homegrown terrorist to me sounds as though a normal average guy, like you and me, suddenly one day switched over to hating the UK, and everyone here, and thats not what happened, they were never like you and me.

They were born here, but did not integrate into the British way of life, their overriding influence was their parents background, religion and language.

The meaning of homegrwon terrorism is clear, someone who is born in Britain, who in all likelihood came from an immigrant background but who has assimilated into society nonetheless.

The definiton of homegrown terrorism is Mohamed sidique khan. That is homegrown terrorism, not Jon Smith who goes down the pub for a pint and a game of darts.

The 7/7 bombers integrated into society, they turned radical in their 20's.

They had neither assimilated or integrated, they just happened to be born here. Look at their background, where they lived, how they lived, the only part of British life they took on was that which was forced upon them, eg having to go to school, having to find work.

If you went to those areas, you'd find that kids in school, especially at a young age, speak to each other in their own language, assimilated?

I distinctly remember an interview with a friend of one of the 7/7 bombings who gave a ringing endorsement to the fact that he was an ordinary citizen on the face of it, he had assimilated into society - went to University - ended up helping children with special needs in a local primary school. All appears well and yes they did assimilate into society, though behind the facade is a terrorist masquerading as a normal citizen.

So yes, they did assimilate into society.

Issues of immigrants integrating into society are totally separate of this issue, I think you are confusing the issue of homegrown terrorists with immigrants assimilating into society.

People who are born and raised here don't speak other languages often - immigrants do, but not often those who are from an immigrant background but were born here.

I have yet to hear any friends description about any terror suspect, ' He was a raving lunatic, he hated the UK, and wanted to kill all non muslims' these nutters are not going to divulge their deepest darkest thoughts to anyone, but those that are like minded.

If you live in this country you have no choice but to go to School, if you want any decent money you have to work, therefore that can not be construed as assimilated or integrated.

I am not confusing the situation, it is a matter of definition, i accept that homegrown means they were born and brought up in the UK, but in no way was their life assimilated into the British way of life, the only parts that were, were those that they could not avoid.

[LFC2007]

If people want to rage against one another, that's fine by me, aslong as it's not on my door step. If the UK wants to stop terrorism on it's door step, then they should stop bullying smaller countries. If there was no forceful US foreign Policy the world would be much safer.

Who decides who intervenes? The US? If it wasn't for the Soviet Union then Americans like Malcolm X would still be present, let me guess he was a terrorist too? America are terrorists just as much as the radical "Islamists" are. Ask an innocent Iraqi who has lost his wife and children to a US bomb if he thinks the US aren't terrorists?

War is not an option and as I say, the US needs to learn and Communism will teach the US a fundamental lesson.

You really haven't got a clue mate, you have to intervene in certain areas, like Afghanistan - Iraq is a different issue. If the world conformed to your model radical islamists would dominate the middle east and procure nuclear weapons, I don't think you understand the connotations of this. If Afghanistan was left to its own devices, the Taliban would return, so would Al qaeda, what would there be to stop Pakistan or Iran leaking them the information that is necessary needed to proliferate nuclear weapons.

But your theory doesn't account for this, launching a nuclear attack on the west is ok I guess - after all as ong as they don't end up on our doorstep. 

If it doesn't affect me, my family or my friends, then I do not care. The chances of a nuke every being used again is very slim, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

You wouldn't lose any sleep because you are an ignorant twa,t. The chances of a radical regime coming to power in an unstable country like Afghanistan and acquiring nuclear capabilities is a very real threat - one you are too thick to understand.

Propaganda, Propaganda. Everyone falls for Propaganda.

Propaganda? , no - REALITY. If you want to live in cloud cuckoo land where the birds are singing to the tune of the marxist symphony orchestra then that's your prerogative, it's just a very sad indictment on your part.

You believe what the US and UK spin doctors feed you and I'll believe Marx everyone is happy. You are supporting Western Terrorism, which is just as bad as Middle Eastern terrorism.

You have lost the fecking plot mate, you don't know my views on British and U.S. foreign policy because you are so stuck up in your own twisted world of marxist ideals. You can't even distinguish the differences in each conflict, you generalise to suit your argument, a pathetic argument.

[Garcia10]

What's to fear and what is f.ucked up about the concept of Egalitarianism?

Egalitarianism is a model, it is not reality, it is an ideal not REALITY.

If you deal in REALITY you accept that there are threats abroad that you have to actively address, if you don't terrorism will end up on your doorstep in an even greater capacity. The idea that these terrorists will call a truce if we withdrew from the middle east is crazy, it is an ideal, it is not REALITY.

Is this why, the US wants to keep up it's terrorism. How comes countries like Denmark who don't go to war and perfectly safe?

The US and the Middle East will learn, my friend when Marxism roles into town. They play the big boys, not when NK, C and R come knocking.

The world will become a safer place and the West won't be the ones who achieve it.