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[The Grudge]

I owe Muslims nothing.They do not deserve respect!Respect needs earned in every community...the silent faith is getting noisy and we need to be on our gaurd!

Again you generalise the wider Muslim community with the few Muslim extremists that exist in our country.

You are a racist it's as simple as that, I have Muslim friends who come down the pub with me, are they "brown rats"?

Come and tell them to their face.

But the fact is fella..they would sooner die for Islam than help you in a catch 22!

[LFC2007]

I owe Muslims nothing.They do not deserve respect!Respect needs earned in every community...the silent faith is getting noisy and we need to be on our gaurd!

Again you generalise the wider Muslim community with the few Muslim extremists that exist in our country.

You are a racist it's as simple as that, I have Muslim friends who come down the pub with me, are they "brown rats"?

Come and tell them to their face.

But the fact is fella..they would sooner die for Islam than help you in a catch 22!

What the feck are you on about. Die for Islam, they come down the pub sometimes, they watch football, they like birds. You are seriously disillusioned.

You're a racist pric,k.

You attribute the actions of the few to the many because you are too thick to understand the situation.

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people seem to missing a big point here, yes some white people in britain are second or third generation as are some blacks and asians, and the people who may or may not be third generation (you dont know, you are assuming) are being criticised for speaking up.

now what i can see is those people not criticising for the sake of it and not generalising, but criticising the extremists, you should be supporting this idea.

ok so is there a difference between a third generation citizen from a muslim country and one from a christian country? not at all, there is no difference providing the live and abide by the laws of the land and live peacefully. however there are elements in the muslim community that seem hell bent on causing problems for the UK, these are the people who are trying to force their ideals on others and resort to terrorism to achieve this (lets also remember this is not a colour thing, one of the recent muslims in court was a white guy, its a religious thing).

sadly the decent UK muslims are in fear of speaking up, well i assume they are in fear, its either that or they support the extremists, which i doubt.

so what do we do with british muslim extremists? send them home? how can we send them home when britain is their home and they are british? we cant send them home, only the immigrants can be dealt with that way.

the law has to deal with them, but for the law to deal with them then some people need to wake up and accept there is evil amongst us and stop screaming 'racism' when these people are dealt with. of course if islam is involved more asians  will be arrested or under suspicion, thats not racism, thats just laws of average, but sadly people scream racism.

anyway its a difficult situation and shouting 'send them home' wont work for all our problems. a halt should be put on immigration now and no more asylum seekers for the time being until the backlog is cleared and more time can be taken on this matter, better due dilligence on asylum seekers and immigrants and we need to be prepared to say 'sorry, we are full, our taxes and health service are stretched as it is and we cant have any more burden'.

anyway just my opinion, not a racist view although some idiots on here will see it that way and try and twist it, but like i say is it the action of a racist to live in an asian country and have an asian girlfriend?   

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ah LFC is using the 'you are a racist' argument because someone has a different belief to him, oh the irony.

you have to accept that while the muslim community is britain is nurturing and harbouring these terrorists then the finger of suspicion will point at them, thats not racism, and like i said its aimed at a religion and not a race, its a sad state of affairs when people use race in a religious argument, you are in fact spouting a form of racism when you do this, it appears you are suggesting that only one race can form a religion.

the fact is more of the muslim community in the UK needs to start fighting back against the extremists, let people see the real side of them rather than the tabloid side. but sadly a lot of them are content to accept what his happening quietly rather than kick up a stink about the problems extremists are causing for them

[The Grudge]

I owe Muslims nothing.They do not deserve respect!Respect needs earned in every community...the silent faith is getting noisy and we need to be on our gaurd!

Again you generalise the wider Muslim community with the few Muslim extremists that exist in our country.

You are a racist it's as simple as that, I have Muslim friends who come down the pub with me, are they "brown rats"?

Come and tell them to their face.

But the fact is fella..they would sooner die for Islam than help you in a catch 22!

What the feck are you on about. Die for Islam, they come down the pub sometimes, they watch football, they like birds. You are seriously disillusioned.

You're a racist pric,k.

You attribute the actions of the few to the many because you are too thick to understand the situation.

Well if Bin Laden came down pub and said 'Stand for Islam' or 'Stand for the queen' you can rest assured what would happen! They are British yes but have NO loyalty to Britain whatsoever!


None atal!

[LFC2007]

ah LFC is using the 'you are a racist' argument because someone has a different belief to him, oh the irony.

So what do you define as Racism then Peewee. Generalising every Muslim as a "brown rat" is RACIST. Generalising every moderate and peaceful and mdoerate Muslim as an extremist intent on "dying for Islam" is RACIST. Oh the irony, my fecking ars,e the irony. A different belief, Nazi's have different beliefs, RACIST beliefs. How is that IRONIC?, numpty.

You suggest halting immigration for now, what a wise idea that would be, our economy is sustained by immigration. Let's take the route of conforming to exactly what terrorists want, whilst harming our economy.   

[LFC2007]

I owe Muslims nothing.They do not deserve respect!Respect needs earned in every community...the silent faith is getting noisy and we need to be on our gaurd!

Again you generalise the wider Muslim community with the few Muslim extremists that exist in our country.

You are a racist it's as simple as that, I have Muslim friends who come down the pub with me, are they "brown rats"?

Come and tell them to their face.

But the fact is fella..they would sooner die for Islam than help you in a catch 22!

What the feck are you on about. Die for Islam, they come down the pub sometimes, they watch football, they like birds. You are seriously disillusioned.

You're a racist pric,k.

You attribute the actions of the few to the many because you are too thick to understand the situation.

Well if Bin Laden came down pub and said 'Stand for Islam' or 'Stand for the queen' you can rest assured what would happen! They are British yes but have NO loyalty to Britain whatsoever!


None atal!

You compare Bin Laden to Muslim friends, that is RACIST and UNACCEPTABLE. Oh but Peewee says it's Ironic, no, it's extremely OFFENSIVE.

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so you are saying that white people in the UK have no right to call people names or you deem them to be racist, calling someone brown rats, mmm so brown is being used as an adjective, same as fat, tall, white, yellow, ginger, irish, welsh etc etc etc, but you choose to defend only against the 'brown' term. but the writer does have a point, what exactly do they see themselves as, who would they defend if it came down to it.

now lets get this straight so i understand, you are defending the minorities freedom of speech and their beliefs, while calling someone from your own race a racist for using his freedom of speech and belief.

dont be such a hypocrite

[The Grudge]

ah LFC is using the 'you are a racist' argument because someone has a different belief to him, oh the irony.

So what do you define as Racism then Peewee. Generalising every Muslim as a "brown rat" is RACIST. Generalising every moderate and peaceful and mdoerate Muslim as an extremist intent on "dying for Islam" is RACIST. Oh the irony, my fecking ars,e the irony. A different belief, Nazi's have different beliefs, RACIST beliefs. How is that IRONIC?, numpty.

You suggest halting immigration for now, what a wise idea that would be, our economy is sustained by immigration. Let's take the route of conforming to exactly what terrorists want, whilst harming our economy.   

The problem is fella that we the British public cannot see a line between the radicals and the decent Muslim people!

All we want is Muslim Clerics to come out and condemn these acts on a widescale.We all know that the Muslim faith is big in Britain..it is huge and has clout!

So where are the words from the representatives saying that what is happening is wrong??

There are none..the Imams are not doing enough!

If Muslims want a communitty hall or a Mosque they can make plenty of noise and put a point across..When they bomb us the religious leaders say nothing!!

Also the use of Mosques in arranging terror attacks and 'brainwashing innocent men' has been proven in court!

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT US TO THINK

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ah muslims coming down the pub      but when it suits them they will tell people they are good muslims.


i will say it again, the reason all muslims get stereotyped is because they choose to keep quiet about the extremists rather than cause an outcry against them, this is the sad fact.

but i do find people screaming racist at people quiet pathetic really, its as though you are saying minorities can have their belief but whites can not have their own belief of you have them hung drawn and quartered as a racist.

LFC grow up, people have different ideals, while you are defending minorites you must also defend the majority or you just come accross as silly, freedom of seppech for all or freedom of speech for none

[LFC2007]

so you are saying that white people in the UK have no right to call people names or you deem them to be racist, calling someone brown rats, mmm so brown is being used as an adjective, same as fat, tall, white, yellow, ginger, irish, welsh etc etc etc, but you choose to defend only against the 'brown' term. but the writer does have a point, what exactly do they see themselves as, who would they defend if it came down to it.

now lets get this straight so i understand, you are defending the minorities freedom of speech and their beliefs, while calling someone from your own race a racist for using his freedom of speech and belief.

dont be such a hypocrite

I find it funny you use the word hypocrite!

In one of your posts you say it's not a colour issue, it's religion.

Well, you're right there, it is RELIGIOUS HATRED.

I cited "brown rats" as a term he used that is derogatory to a particular ethnic group, in the U.K it is illegal to incite ethnic or racial hatred, it is illegal to spout religious hatred.

This guy is guilty of both, he hates all Muslims, on what basis exactly?

Why does he compare them to Bin Laden?

No wonder the law exists to protect the rights of religious beliefs and ethnic/racial minorities.

You play the ginger, fat, thin card, well that doesn't stand up because as far as I'm aware being fat is not an ethnic group, having ginger hair is not a religion. There is a clear distinction.

Freedom of Speech is the foundation of any democracy, but there has to be room for the protection of Religious beliefs/racial/ethnic groups.  How would you know my race anyway, you've never seen me or even met me, so please don'ty pontificate on that one.

[LFC2007]

The problem is fella that we the British public cannot see a line between the radicals and the decent Muslim people!

All we want is Muslim Clerics to come out and condemn these acts on a widescale.We all know that the Muslim faith is big in Britain..it is huge and has clout!

So where are the words from the representatives saying that what is happening is wrong??

There are none..the Imams are not doing enough!

If Muslims want a communitty hall or a Mosque they can make plenty of noise and put a point across..When they bomb us the religious leaders say nothing!!

Also the use of Mosques in arranging terror attacks and 'brainwashing innocent men' has been proven in court!

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT US TO THINK

I'd expect you to think that perhaps they don't come out and condemn the attacks out of fear and because of the discerning line between communities that no-one attempts to bridge. I know Muslim people, they do condemn these attacks, ask Metalhead.

[The Grudge]

ah muslims coming down the pub      but when it suits them they will tell people they are good muslims.


i will say it again, the reason all muslims get stereotyped is because they choose to keep quiet about the extremists rather than cause an outcry against them, this is the sad fact.

but i do find people screaming racist at people quiet pathetic really, its as though you are saying minorities can have their belief but whites can not have their own belief of you have them hung drawn and quartered as a racist.

LFC grow up, people have different ideals, while you are defending minorites you must also defend the majority or you just come accross as silly, freedom of seppech for all or freedom of speech for none

Racist is a shi.tty term anyway

As people we all have a right to choose what we like and dont!Some people hate the Fench,others dislike Germans..that is there perogative!

i do not like Muslims,im sorry but i have yet to meet one that is easy to get on with or remotely socially competent!

I find them distant,gaurded and always with an agenda other than trying to have fun and be pleasant!

I should apologise for my veiws but i cannot like something that i do not.Say for example you ate prawns 3 times and hated the way they tasted...you would not eat them again??

It does sound a bit general of me to state this but all i can go on are my experiences in life.
Radical Muslims are trying to force their religion on us but at the same time they are their own worst enemy..Until their people relent and accept our culture rather than trying to construct a home from home they will always be outsiders sadly and always looked upon as different!

Things can change but it is in their hands..becoming socially acceptable and approachable would be a start!

[LFC2007]

ah muslims coming down the pub      but when it suits them they will tell people they are good muslims.


i will say it again, the reason all muslims get stereotyped is because they choose to keep quiet about the extremists rather than cause an outcry against them, this is the sad fact.

but i do find people screaming racist at people quiet pathetic really, its as though you are saying minorities can have their belief but whites can not have their own belief of you have them hung drawn and quartered as a racist.

LFC grow up, people have different ideals, while you are defending minorites you must also defend the majority or you just come accross as silly, freedom of seppech for all or freedom of speech for none

I suggest you grow up and face reality, the reality of the British legal system. We have speech codes for a reason, to limit and prevent hate speech.

I find people who defend RACISTS quite pathetic aswell by the way.

He wouldn't say these things to the face of the people he offends, yet he is more than happy to do so over the internet - PATHETIC.

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being muslim is not an ethnic group

and so what if he compares all muslims with bin laden, thats his choice and who are you to say he is wrong.

stop preaching, its people like you that make the situation worse, its the pc brigade that makes it worse by pandering to the minorities and allowing this situation to develop, i assume you are asking for 'one rule for all'. i agree with that, one rule for all, but sadly its not one rule for all, as in reality not everyone can play the race or religion card and be taken seriously. this is the fact and while this is happening you expect people to sit back and accept it. already people have all these new rules imposed on them, they have lost some freedom and people like you just expect them to sit back and take it. lifes not like that mate

i would have a lot more respect for you if you grew some balls and said it as it really was, next time you are in the pub with you muslim friends, tell them to speak out against the extremists, but they wont or they will be sneered at in their own community.

do you realise you are defending a group of people, the majority of who see you as filth, see you as an infidel. i know you will doubt this but get a muslim girlfriend and ask her to invite you to her house to meet her family, see how far you get, see her get killed as some form of honour or shipped of to pakistan to marry some relative to get him into britain as another drain on your taxes.

racism works both ways, you are defending the monorities right to be racist (no doubt you will say this is their culture) whilst calling your own race racist for having their own belief.

the mind boggles, i always though you came across as intelligent before but we have to disagree on this one mate, i am trying to respect your opinion but it is very blinkered