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[metalhead]

Bin Ladin is a madman! he needs to be stopped for sure!

but then you look at other modern Leaders like Saddam and even Ariel Sharon who were even worst!

[Fowler_E7]

the way i see it is this, this country has supposedly been at war for the last 5 years agaisnt terror/afghanistan/iraq so why do we seem so suprised that there are people out there who are prepared to fight back agaist us? Especially with the extremly questionable reasons for us going to war in the first place. Countries like Iraq/Afghanistan dont have armys that can stand a chance against the British/US army, so how do they fight back, with terroism.

The simple fact is Britain and the U.S.A have brought every single form of terrorism on them selves, no one else can be blamed, the foreign policy of the two countries goverments has completly backfired on them and now Unfortunately ordinary British and American people are paying the price (though much less in comparsion to our counterparts in the middle east) through terroist revenge attacks.

[Fowler_E7]

i didnt want to see that picture woof

More pictures should be posted so do gooders like Fowler_E7 can still defend these tyrants.

I didnt defend any taliban or al queda, i just made the point that there are probably none of them currently being held in guantanamo bay. If they were, why hasnt anyone been trialed or convicted for anything?

[Lando_Griffin]

In a nutshell, if dickheads stop doing wrong, the USA won't have any reason to declare wars, will they?

Note to the Earth's inhabitants:

Stop goading the only true Superpower, and you'll stop getting your fingers burnt.

[Fowler_E7]

In a nutshell, if dickheads stop doing wrong, the USA won't have any reason to declare wars, will they?

oh but they will find a reason, just like they did in Vietnam, Iraq, Nicaragua, Grenada and countless other countries. If it suits them politcally and Economically, without to much loss of life to there military they will go for it.

Why do you think Iraq and Afghanistan got invaded but not the likes of N.Korea and Iran, who the Americans dislike just as much if not more.

[account deleted by request]

The reason the US doesnt want to go to war with N.Korea, is not only the one million members of the N.Korean army and the likely possibility that they already have nuclear weapons, but the fact that the US owes 8 trillion dollars, and a large proportion of that debt is held by China, a friend and once ally of N.Korea.

The US pays 400BILLION per year to service that debt. Similar to what I pay on my wifes credit card.

Iran unlike Iraq would mean major problems with Saudi and all the oil rich middle eastern countries, and as the US currently uses 1/4 of the worlds oil the last thing the US wants is a reduction of oil quotas, especially as China is demanding a larger and larger share of oil.

That is not to say that when push comes to shove the US wont take action, just that they have to be more circumspect in their actions.

[Lando_Griffin]

In a nutshell, if dickheads stop doing wrong, the USA won't have any reason to declare wars, will they?

oh but they will find a reason, just like they did in Vietnam, Iraq, Nicaragua, Grenada and countless other countries. If it suits them politcally and Economically, without to much loss of life to there military they will go for it.

Why do you think Iraq and Afghanistan got invaded but not the likes of N.Korea and Iran, who the Americans dislike just as much if not more.

I take it you were in a coma on 11/9 then?

What a stupid question to ask. 

[metalhead]

In a nutshell, if dickheads stop doing wrong, the USA won't have any reason to declare wars, will they?

oh but they will find a reason, just like they did in Vietnam, Iraq, Nicaragua, Grenada and countless other countries. If it suits them politcally and Economically, without to much loss of life to there military they will go for it.

Why do you think Iraq and Afghanistan got invaded but not the likes of N.Korea and Iran, who the Americans dislike just as much if not more.

I take it you were in a coma on 11/9 then?

What a stupid question to ask. 

Lando mate, many of the countries who dislike the U.S are fed up with the U.S policy on dealing international affairs, these countries are taking a stand against the U.S to stop them from controlling other countries and telling these countries what to do! Like Saudi Arabia for example! Iran are so tired of the threats it is recieving from the U.S about its Nuclear Enrichment! Thats why the Iranians are calling for negotiations but are the U.S doing the same?

I'm just saying if the U.S government won't interfere into other countries affairs I will be sure that the U.S would be everyone's friend.

[account deleted by request]

In a nutshell, if dickheads stop doing wrong, the USA won't have any reason to declare wars, will they?

oh but they will find a reason, just like they did in Vietnam, Iraq, Nicaragua, Grenada and countless other countries. If it suits them politcally and Economically, without to much loss of life to there military they will go for it.

Why do you think Iraq and Afghanistan got invaded but not the likes of N.Korea and Iran, who the Americans dislike just as much if not more.

I take it you were in a coma on 11/9 then?

What a stupid question to ask. 

Lando mate, many of the countries who dislike the U.S are fed up with the U.S policy on dealing international affairs, these countries are taking a stand against the U.S to stop them from controlling other countries and telling these countries what to do! Like Saudi Arabia for example! Iran are so tired of the threats it is recieving from the U.S about its Nuclear Enrichment! Thats why the Iranians are calling for negotiations but are the U.S doing the same?

I'm just saying if the U.S government won't interfere into other countries affairs I will be sure that the U.S would be everyone's friend.

So what you are saying Metalhead is that the US should allow any country, no matter who runs it ,that wants to make nuclear weapons to have them, and not interfere?

Non- interferance is sometimes more dangerous, and can cost more lives than than an active policy of control. i.e. Hitler and second world war. Appeasement while popular can have dire consequences.

[metalhead]

Agreed with your last statement mate, it could be dangerous. but what is dangerous about Iran? Ahmadi Najad always restated that making a Nucleur weopon is not his priority, plus he doesn't want to go to war! why would he risk his country? he is no hitler! He always invited the U.S for negotiation on the Nucleur enrichment, but the U.S government are so stubborn they won't accept!

Look, sure the U.S could interefere in risky cases, but this time they went over the limit and caused chaos in the middle east.

[account deleted by request]

You mean like in 1938 when Hitler said he had no more demands or plans for expansion. Why should one of the few countries in the world with enough oil to supply all their future needs want to invest in nuclear energy.Not only that, but why invest in the type of nuclear energy that produces as a by product plutonium.(which just happens to be the key ingredient needed for nuclear weapons?

Especially knowing that Israel would go to war before see an Arab nation have nuclear weapons.

But if you say trust him who am I to argue.

[metalhead]

You mean like in 1938 when Hitler said he had no more demands or plans for expansion. Why should one of the few countries in the world with enough oil to supply all their future needs want to invest in nuclear energy.Not only that, but why invest in the type of nuclear energy that produces as a by product plutonium.(which just happens to be the key ingredient needed for nuclear weapons?

Especially knowing that Israel would go to war before see an Arab nation have nuclear weapons.

But if you say trust him who am I to argue.

I'm not saying to trust him, I'm saying that Ahmadi Najad is no hitler and he doesn't need for expansion! You said it your self his country has alot of oil and rich! They want to get into the Nuclear program to make a much more powerful power source for the country. I was hearing about this water source being used for the uranium, can someone enlighten me with that? because I'm confused about it.

S@int, I agree nuclear energy is produced by the product of plutonium and a key ingrediant to making nuclear weapons. Time will tell if Iran's top priority is making an Atomic bomb and using it on countries, but IMO I don't think Iran are that stupid.

[account deleted by request]

You mean like in 1938 when Hitler said he had no more demands or plans for expansion. Why should one of the few countries in the world with enough oil to supply all their future needs want to invest in nuclear energy.Not only that, but why invest in the type of nuclear energy that produces as a by product plutonium.(which just happens to be the key ingredient needed for nuclear weapons?

Especially knowing that Israel would go to war before see an Arab nation have nuclear weapons.

But if you say trust him who am I to argue.

I'm not saying to trust him, I'm saying that Ahmadi Najad is no hitler and he doesn't need for expansion! You said it your self his country has alot of oil and rich! They want to get into the Nuclear program to make a much more powerful power source for the country. I was hearing about this water source being used for the uranium, can someone enlighten me with that? because I'm confused about it.

S@int, I agree nuclear energy is produced by the product of plutonium and a key ingrediant to making nuclear weapons. Time will tell if Iran's top priority is making an Atomic bomb and using it on countries, but IMO I don't think Iran are that stupid.

Not sure what you are asking about water source. They need water to cool the reactor.

As for time will tell, can we afford to gamble with such weapons, and if Ahmadi Najad is no Hitler, who's to say what the next leader will be like?

Harry Truman was no Hitler but he used the bomb twice!

[66-1112520797]

You mean like in 1938 when Hitler said he had no more demands or plans for expansion. Why should one of the few countries in the world with enough oil to supply all their future needs want to invest in nuclear energy.Not only that, but why invest in the type of nuclear energy that produces as a by product plutonium.(which just happens to be the key ingredient needed for nuclear weapons?

Especially knowing that Israel would go to war before see an Arab nation have nuclear weapons.

But if you say trust him who am I to argue.

I'm not saying to trust him, I'm saying that Ahmadi Najad is no hitler and he doesn't need for expansion! You said it your self his country has alot of oil and rich! They want to get into the Nuclear program to make a much more powerful power source for the country. I was hearing about this water source being used for the uranium, can someone enlighten me with that? because I'm confused about it.

S@int, I agree nuclear energy is produced by the product of plutonium and a key ingrediant to making nuclear weapons. Time will tell if Iran's top priority is making an Atomic bomb and using it on countries, but IMO I don't think Iran are that stupid.

I think nuclear energy is a good thing personally, if of course its used in the right way. If Iran intend on using it in a way of energy rather than weaponary, then fine !
But with a country like Iran having all that oil, and as wealthy as it is, is their really any need yet to produce nuclear energy if they have fossil fuels ?

[metalhead]

I say this is another cold war, but this time its between the U.S and Iran.

Harry Truman used them during war, and he shouldn't have done that.