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[bunglemark2]

Has there ever been life in the universe on any other planet in the history of time? 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of yes

Is there some kind of life right now in the universe?
99.999%

Is it "intelligent" in that it could interact or respond to radio waves?
much much much much much much much much much much much lower

Could these aliens live within a distance close enough to detect any of our radio waves (or whatever else we are transmitting into deep space) within the time frame of human existence?
very very very very very very low chance

Could they be capable of travelling such an incredibly large distance through space?
very very very very very very very very very very very very very low chance




The incredible size of the universe both makes it very likely that "aliens" exists but also make it incredibly unlickely that we would ever bump into any.


*not official numbers*

Can they play on the right wing? ?

Are they Cup tied?

Ha !!
Just thinking that through - if Platini ever *does* have his way on the non-national or foreigner rule....how would you apply that then ?

Hang on, didn't the Hammers use to play the X-Files theme music when Iain Dowie walked on the pitch ? Obviously they found a way around it....

[JoeTerp]

I thought most Americans had been abducted by Aliens Joe ? Maybe they don't like Liverpool fans........ or is there something you arn't telling us? 

I try and tell myself that only a country of great liberty and freedom could produce such creative thinking 

[Effes]

Well, I read this thread and it did change my life.....


For about 2 minutes

[Sabre]

Could they be capable of travelling such an incredibly large distance through space?
very very very very very very very very very very very very very low chance

The thing is that when it comes to technology, we're pretty newbies, 2 centuries ago we knew little about the universe. With Newton we started to learn physics, and at some point we realised that the speed of light was the fastest we could get -- until we proved that was wrong there are things faster than light.

The inmese distances are from that perspective of light speed, if it takes thousands of light years to reach somewhere how could we get there?

All very logic, and my position is very similar to yours.

But then you have serious people claiming they have seen flying objects, and there are reports of military aircrafts chasing objects that do movements none of our aircrafts could do or they'd rid apart.

Most of the times, this phenomenons have an explanation, but sometimes they don't. And then you have an astronaut, with all his science knowledge and all his training claiming he saw something flying alongside Apollo. I don't see any reasons for him exposing to mass ridicule claiming such a thing in the Larry King show. You have to love too much the tv to do that. And one could imagine a government don't wanting to share that vision, because in some USA states still teach creationism to explain how we got here and admitting there are other life could raise some questions.

My position is skeptical, but I don't discard anything.

[dawson99]

there ARE aliens, we have all seen them, tis just the oens that are reported are all false.

[JoeTerp]

Could they be capable of travelling such an incredibly large distance through space?
very very very very very very very very very very very very very low chance

The thing is that when it comes to technology, we're pretty newbies, 2 centuries ago we knew little about the universe. With Newton we started to learn physics, and at some point we realised that the speed of light was the fastest we could get -- until we proved that was wrong there are things faster than light.

The inmese distances are from that perspective of light speed, if it takes thousands of light years to reach somewhere how could we get there?

All very logic, and my position is very similar to yours.

But then you have serious people claiming they have seen flying objects, and there are reports of military aircrafts chasing objects that do movements none of our aircrafts could do or they'd rid apart.

Most of the times, this phenomenons have an explanation, but sometimes they don't. And then you have an astronaut, with all his science knowledge and all his training claiming he saw something flying alongside Apollo. I don't see any reasons for him exposing to mass ridicule claiming such a thing in the Larry King show. You have to love too much the tv to do that. And one could imagine a government don't wanting to share that vision, because in some USA states still teach creationism to explain how we got here and admitting there are other life could raise some questions.

My position is skeptical, but I don't discard anything.

luckily, and to my knowledge so far, everytime it is challeneged in court, the scientists have won (thank god    , pun intended) So creationism is not taught in public school in America, or at least it is illegal if it is. But there are creationist museums, I think there is a big one in Kentucky. A creationist museum I see in the same light as terrorist brain washing camp. Just because American fundamentalist children are not trained to blow themselves up does not mean they are not being bred to cause damage and spread hate. They grow up to continue to spit homophobic filth, and keep Christian laws on the books or put even more Christian laws on the rest of the country, one that specifically states in its constitution that church and state are to be seperated.  By refusing to allow stem-cell research, they could be "killing" millions of people, and abstinence only sex education does nothing but make teeneage pregnancy a bigger problem, ESPECIALLY amongst poor Catholic hispanics.

OK, kind of got pretty far away from aliens there.

I guess its possible for me to conceive of a way for some far advanced soiety to master the technology of opening up worm holes at will, and controlling where they lead to. But when you consider how long we have been sending out radio waves and such off of our planet, there is no way that evidence of life on a planet where earth is located could have reached out far enough to cover enough ground where you would think the odds of reaching intelligent life are more than .00000000001%

that is one of the big reasons why I am skepitcal? how could other life forms even know that we exist, and where we are?

I think it is so hard to actually try and think about how big and old the universe is, hell its hard to understand how big and old the Earth is. I think its impossible to tell what exactly the odds are of a society being as advanced or many many many many times more tech. and space tech advanced that we are currently, but for both societies to exist within the same time frame is almost impossible. The universe is something like 13 or 14 billion years old, earth is 4.5 and humans have been around for 10,000, and only in the last 75 or so years have we been sending out radio signals and only about 50 or so years of space exploration.

[Judge]

I think some people on this forum are in touch from outer space!!  

fook barry your the leader! spacecadet


thanks for the pm bummer boy!


              

lol

[Number 9]

I think some people on this forum are in touch from outer space!!  

fook barry your the leader! spacecadet


thanks for the pm bummer boy!


              

lol

I sent our Daxy a wee present the other day!!

[Sabre]

Thanks for the update in creationism. I knew of the problem because this american guy

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/

Who's kind enough to debunk hoaxes and explain science in his blog -- great blog, has insisted a lot on that topic, and not always the news were so good as you mention. It's been a while I don't read about that topic though.

that is one of the big reasons why I am skepitcal? how could other life forms even know that we exist, and where we are?

Even us, with our stupid technology are being able to detect planets surrounding suns, so far giant planets like Jupiter, but some day perhaps smaller rocky planets like ours. From the spectrum of light you can know more or less what's the composition of a planet, and if you find water, there you have a candidate. We know all these things with our shitty technology.

I think it is so hard to actually try and think about how big and old the universe is, hell its hard to understand how big and old the Earth is. I think its impossible to tell what exactly the odds are of a society being as advanced or many many many many times more tech. and space tech advanced that we are currently, but for both societies to exist within the same time frame is almost impossible.

According to some calculus the number of planets capable of holding life is of the range of tens of thousands only in our galaxy. Right now. I think I read it in that blog precisely.

Considering that our sun is young, some civilizations -- let's assume we're not perfect enough to think we're the only intelligent guys in the universe -- had enough time to advance, perhaps reaching other stars with technology we cannot even understand, and outlive the life of their own sun by going somewhere else all that meanwhile we still hadn't invented fire around here.

I understand your skepticism, but the dimensions of time and space are beyond us.

Why they don't say hello if they're or they were here? perhaps for the same reason we leave some animals protected in their own environment. I understand your logic, but still it's too human-centered (mine too, we all have that bias). I'm skeptical too, it's just that my skepticism isn't strong enough to say categorically we hadn't got visitors somehow. Not talking about flying dishes, they might be even invisible -- a technology that U.S military is close to achieve btw, and not talking about stealth.

[account deleted by request]

odds of reaching intelligent life are more than .00000000001%

About the same as on here then mate 

Interesting discussion, but I honestly don't understand "creationism" I thought the finding of Dinosaur fossils killed that debate off ? i.e. nothing created by god could or would be allowed to become extinct. I think the Dodo voted against it mindyou.

[JoeTerp]

Thanks for the update in creationism. I knew of the problem because this american guy

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/

Who's kind enough to debunk hoaxes and explain science in his blog -- great blog, has insisted a lot on that topic, and not always the news were so good as you mention. It's been a while I don't read about that topic though.

that is one of the big reasons why I am skepitcal? how could other life forms even know that we exist, and where we are?

Even us, with our stupid technology are being able to detect planets surrounding suns, so far giant planets like Jupiter, but some day perhaps smaller rocky planets like ours. From the spectrum of light you can know more or less what's the composition of a planet, and if you find water, there you have a candidate. We know all these things with our shitty technology.

I think it is so hard to actually try and think about how big and old the universe is, hell its hard to understand how big and old the Earth is. I think its impossible to tell what exactly the odds are of a society being as advanced or many many many many times more tech. and space tech advanced that we are currently, but for both societies to exist within the same time frame is almost impossible.

According to some calculus the number of planets capable of holding life is of the range of tens of thousands only in our galaxy. Right now. I think I read it in that blog precisely.

Considering that our sun is young, some civilizations -- let's assume we're not perfect enough to think we're the only intelligent guys in the universe -- had enough time to advance, perhaps reaching other stars with technology we cannot even understand, and outlive the life of their own sun by going somewhere else all that meanwhile we still hadn't invented fire around here.

I understand your skepticism, but the dimensions of time and space are beyond us.

Why they don't say hello if they're or they were here? perhaps for the same reason we leave some animals protected in their own environment. I understand your logic, but still it's too human-centered (mine too, we all have that bias). I'm skeptical too, it's just that my skepticism isn't strong enough to say categorically we hadn't got visitors somehow. Not talking about flying dishes, they might be even invisible -- a technology that U.S military is close to achieve btw, and not talking about stealth.

I do not doubt that an advanced civilization could detect possible life containing planets from very very very far away, but even so it could take thousands and thousands of years to searching with many thousands of instruments before some highly intelligent life form even found where Earth was in the Universe and registered it in their alien database as a possible life containing planet.

these are all sort of made up numbers and from a while back but this is one person's view on the # of "life" planets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB_v99FSTYc


I think what I am most skeptical about is the government cover up conspiracies. The US government is not capable of taking care of Hurricane Katrina victims in New Orleans. What makes people think they are capable of keeping such a big thing a secret?

Also think it might be human centric to think that other alien races with lots of technology would WANT to find/visit us (as opposed to other planets) or that they would be interested in exploring space at all, although like you pointed out, due to the length of most stars lifespans, a super "superior" alien race with billions of years of existence (and hence experience, and knowledge) would have to have found new homes on other planets in other solar systems in order to stay alive for so long.

[dawson99]

odds of reaching intelligent life are more than .00000000001%

About the same as on here then mate 

Interesting discussion, but I honestly don't understand "creationism" I thought the finding of Dinosaur fossils killed that debate off ? i.e. nothing created by god could or would be allowed to become extinct. I think the Dodo voted against it mindyou.

why would nothing created by god beallowed to become extinct? that makes absolutely no sense, like saying there cant be a god as bad things happen and god wouldnt let that happen...

as for aliens, of course there is other life, the universe is way too big for there not to be, but why the feck would they come visit us?

[account deleted by request]

odds of reaching intelligent life are more than .00000000001%

About the same as on here then mate 

Interesting discussion, but I honestly don't understand "creationism" I thought the finding of Dinosaur fossils killed that debate off ? i.e. nothing created by god could or would be allowed to become extinct. I think the Dodo voted against it mindyou.

why would nothing created by god beallowed to become extinct? that makes absolutely no sense, like saying there cant be a god as bad things happen and god wouldnt let that happen...

as for aliens, of course there is other life, the universe is way too big for there not to be, but why the feck would they come visit us?

No idea mate, but I thought that was their argument (not mine lol) I don't think its anything to do with god not letting bad things happen. Maybe thats why I don't believe in god.......he lets too many bad things happen to good people.

[Sabre]

I think what I am most skeptical about is the government cover up conspiracies. The US government is not capable of taking care of Hurricane Katrina victims in New Orleans. What makes people think they are capable of keeping such a big thing a secret?

Taking care of the Katrina victims is a matter of dollars and the government could have done better.

What makes me think that USA and almost any government is able to keep secrets is that they do so effectively constantly, hiding military secrets or considering information confidencial. They also have the ability to control the media. Not saying they do! just saying they could if those sights or visits are not in the middle of New York. All the governments are quite effective to keep secrets out of the reach of the people.

What makes me think that they might hide something is that astronauts like Aldrin said they saw strange things. I don't know that man as a person, but I can assume that as a TOP scientist (all astronauts are top scientists) he's capable of distinguishing a bit of debree and an UFO.

I also think it might be human centric to think that other alien races with lots of technology would WANT to find/visit us (as opposed to other planets) or that they would be interested in exploring space at all, although like you pointed out, due to the length of most stars lifespans, a super "superior" alien race with billions of years of existence (and hence experience, and knowledge) would have to have found new homes on other planets in other solar systems in order to stay alive for so long.

It's a fair point to say expecting coming us to visit especifically is human-centric. I just assume that if they do visit, they visit many, not just one star.

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

its fooking hard enough getting a ticket now without a bunch of fooking Alien day trippers turning up aswell.