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Ace Ventura wrote:There's nothing wrong with having an opinion. And there is also nothing to say that your opinion wont be right. In our own heads is clear as crystal but we are just fans with limited knowledge.
I accept that Mexico may shock me and that they may have better players than i am aware of, but the fact that they are not playing in Europe actually does mean something, for one it means that they are either not as good as the other south american players or that there better players are young and havent had the oppurtunity to show what they can do yet.
But dont think that the fact that them not playing in Europe doesnt mean anything because it does. The style of play and tempo of games that they are used to will be different as will the pitches and climate, all of these things are going to be in favour of the European teams. That is the reason i think a European team will go all the way.
Brazil are massive favourites and rightly so, the reason imo is that not only do they have the best players but also the majority of there squad play in Europe so they are used to the conditions and pitches and also playing different styles of football. But i still feel that they wont win the tournament, they will bow out on penalties against a European side like Italy i think. Mexico wont have players with the same experience of European football as Brazil or Argentina and that will make the difference, just my opinion, but if Mexico are as good as you think they are then after the tournament is finished i would expect alot more of the players to be playing in this continent next season.

I accept what you're saying, Mexico will be at disadvantages, but with this current team they have most played in last years Confederations Cup, which was held in Germany, so I don't think it will be hard for them to adjust to the climate of Germany as they've trained and played there before. They are also somewhat used to playing on European soil which is a lot different to their own. So again I doubt that will trouble them too much as they've had some experiences on the pitches.

Mexico play at a fairly quick tempo, they are a somewhat attacking side so again, I don't think that will trouble them too much. One big factor is physical presence, the European teams like to slide in with tackles and barge n things, so that could well be a problem for them, but again I can see them adjusting to that. But as I said in an earlier post, every team has pros and cons going into every tournement. You could also argue that many European teams don't really know what to expect from Mexico. Holland, France and Germany have all had a taster in the last year, so some European teams are at a disadvantage as well if they do come up against Mexico.

I don't think it's much of a problem that hardly any of Mexico's players are not in Europe, I don't think that is of an important relevance. I'm not entirely sure why you pick a big emphasis on that. I'm somewhat confused.

Brazil bow out on penalties, no they're not England. You say European experience, that's a two way system not many European teams have played against Mexico recently, so again it's a 50/50 chance.

We shall see if more play in Europe won't we? Just because they don't play in Europe doesn't mean they are not good players.

I'm not replying to anymore of these Ace, I said that in the last one

but I mean it with this one, we've just gone full circle and the debate is dead as far as i'm concerned.

However the future does look bright for Mexico in the name of Giovanni Dos Santos. 

0asis wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:There's nothing wrong with having an opinion. And there is also nothing to say that your opinion wont be right. In our own heads is clear as crystal but we are just fans with limited knowledge.
I accept that Mexico may shock me and that they may have better players than i am aware of, but the fact that they are not playing in Europe actually does mean something, for one it means that they are either not as good as the other south american players or that there better players are young and havent had the oppurtunity to show what they can do yet.
But dont think that the fact that them not playing in Europe doesnt mean anything because it does. The style of play and tempo of games that they are used to will be different as will the pitches and climate, all of these things are going to be in favour of the European teams. That is the reason i think a European team will go all the way.
Brazil are massive favourites and rightly so, the reason imo is that not only do they have the best players but also the majority of there squad play in Europe so they are used to the conditions and pitches and also playing different styles of football. But i still feel that they wont win the tournament, they will bow out on penalties against a European side like Italy i think. Mexico wont have players with the same experience of European football as Brazil or Argentina and that will make the difference, just my opinion, but if Mexico are as good as you think they are then after the tournament is finished i would expect alot more of the players to be playing in this continent next season.

I accept what you're saying, Mexico will be at disadvantages, but with this current team they have most played in last years Confederations Cup, which was held in Germany, so I don't think it will be hard for them to adjust to the climate of Germany as they've trained and played there before. They are also somewhat used to playing on European soil which is a lot different to their own. So again I doubt that will trouble them too much as they've had some experiences on the pitches.

Mexico play at a fairly quick tempo, they are a somewhat attacking side so again, I don't think that will trouble them too much. One big factor is physical presence, the European teams like to slide in with tackles and barge n things, so that could well be a problem for them, but again I can see them adjusting to that. But as I said in an earlier post, every team has pros and cons going into every tournement. You could also argue that many European teams don't really know what to expect from Mexico. Holland, France and Germany have all had a taster in the last year, so some European teams are at a disadvantage as well if they do come up against Mexico.

I don't think it's much of a problem that hardly any of Mexico's players are not in Europe, I don't think that is of an important relevance. I'm not entirely sure why you pick a big emphasis on that. I'm somewhat confused.

Brazil bow out on penalties, no they're not England. You say European experience, that's a two way system not many European teams have played against Mexico recently, so again it's a 50/50 chance.

We shall see if more play in Europe won't we? Just because they don't play in Europe doesn't mean they are not good players.

I'm not replying to anymore of these Ace, I said that in the last one

but I mean it with this one, we've just gone full circle and the debate is dead as far as i'm concerned.

However the future does look bright for Mexico in the name of Giovanni Dos Santos. 

I agree with Oasis on this one.


Mexico doesnt really get much recognition and attention mainly because, in my opinion, there are only a handful of Mexican players plying their trade in Europe.

I can only name three.


Bolton's Jared Borgetti, Barcelona's Rafael Marquez and Villareal's Guillermo Franco.

Aside from those three, and a few others I know that I dont know play in Europe, ALL of the Mexican National team play in the Primera Division.

I think that Oasis has already stressed the fact that Mexico has the element of surprise, as many of the more well-known footballing countries know very little about them.

Mexico, like its South American counterparts, plays fast, free-flowing football. Short passes, flashy moves and all. On their day, the quality of their passing game is just, a joy and a beauty to watch.

Dont forget, they actually moved past their group stage in 2002 finishing top of their group with wins over Croatia and Ecuador and a very respectable draw against the Italians. They were however, unceremoniously dumped out of the World Cup by a fine display of defensive football from hated rivals, the US. Us in a nutshell. 

They have the ability to inflict a painful loss on some unsuspecting team which might make the horrible mistake of thinking they are nothing but pushovers.

The underdog tag fits Mexico perfectly and if they play with unity and with heart, they'll rip the very best in the world to shreds.


Just my two cents.


P.S Do you watch Mexican football Oasis? 

Ace Ventura wrote:anti-hero i agree that Mexico may surprise people and that they are capable of giving anyone a game, what i dont agree with is Oasis's prediction that they are one of the teams capable of winning the whole tournament.
There group is pretty poor and alongside Portugal they should be comfortable in reaching the next round.
But in the next round they face the winners or runners up from group C, that is the toughest group in the tournament imo with Argentina Holland and Ivory Coast, 2 out of that 3 will go through and i think all 3 would beat Mexico, i could be wrong but i doubt it.

Big Niall wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:anti-hero i agree that Mexico may surprise people and that they are capable of giving anyone a game, what i dont agree with is Oasis's prediction that they are one of the teams capable of winning the whole tournament.
There group is pretty poor and alongside Portugal they should be comfortable in reaching the next round.
But in the next round they face the winners or runners up from group C, that is the toughest group in the tournament imo with Argentina Holland and Ivory Coast, 2 out of that 3 will go through and i think all 3 would beat Mexico, i could be wrong but i doubt it.

Since when are the Ivory coast up there with Argentina and Holland? That group looks straight forward as can be.

Ace Ventura wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:anti-hero i agree that Mexico may surprise people and that they are capable of giving anyone a game, what i dont agree with is Oasis's prediction that they are one of the teams capable of winning the whole tournament.
There group is pretty poor and alongside Portugal they should be comfortable in reaching the next round.
But in the next round they face the winners or runners up from group C, that is the toughest group in the tournament imo with Argentina Holland and Ivory Coast, 2 out of that 3 will go through and i think all 3 would beat Mexico, i could be wrong but i doubt it.

Just bumping this for Oasis, Mexico played a great game against the Argentines but like i predicted, due to the draw they were unlikely to get to the latter stages of the tournament.
I think it is now the third or fourth time in a row where they have gone out at that stage.
They were never going to be contenders for this tournament as i said at the start.

0asis wrote:Disagree, most teams including Brazil would lose to Argentina, especially as they are on this form. Whether you like it or not Mexico will always be genuine challengers and Argentina won't face a tougher challenge.

Give it up FFS Oasis

Mexico were a decent unit with one world class player in Marquez.  They are unlucky to have met the form team so early in the competition, but even so they were never going to win it.