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[heimdall]

Who gives a tommytit?

Carroll did sweet fanny admas last years and suddenly we're all concerned?

Gimme a lad for 7 million who has both the talent and is hungry and I'd let the big geordie flop wallow out for nowt.

totally agree, Carroll has been a mjor flop at Liverpool and we need higher calibre of striker so of course he will be sold or loaned out, I'd be a bit dissapointed if this does not happen.

[Benny The Noon]

Who gives a tommytit?

Carroll did sweet fanny admas last years and suddenly we're all concerned?

Gimme a lad for 7 million who has both the talent and is hungry and I'd let the big geordie flop wallow out for nowt.

totally agree, Carroll has been a mjor flop at Liverpool and we need higher calibre of striker so of course he will be sold or loaned out, I'd be a bit dissapointed if this does not happen.

Who do you suggest should arrive to replace him then.

[red till i die!!]

Who gives a tommytit?

Carroll did sweet fanny admas last years and suddenly we're all concerned?

Gimme a lad for 7 million who has both the talent and is hungry and I'd let the big geordie flop wallow out for nowt.

totally agree, Carroll has been a mjor flop at Liverpool and we need higher calibre of striker so of course he will be sold or loaned out, I'd be a bit dissapointed if this does not happen.

honestly lad do you even think of what your posting?.
let me quote you from an earlier post you made in this thread,"having said that i would actually want him to stay and fight for his place" that was a whole 4 hrs ago and youve now decided that you would be disapointed if he isnt sold or loaned.

[LFC2007]

Crown Prince Fickle of Fickledom strikes again 

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

i dont think systems or playing philosophy`s are a substitute for quality players, the teams with the best players generally win the trophies.
when mourinho was in charge at chelsea they were successfull and played direct football, they didnt play tikki takka, they even had a great record against barcelona at that time as well, thats because they had a squad full of top players.
we seem to be going the other way, we are bringing in average signings to suit our new system, we are putting our faith in the system.
lets not forget that for all the plaudits they got last year swansea still finished below us and we seemed to be losing games every other week so god knows how many they lost and drew.
as i said a system is not a substitute for quality players, swansea, no matter how good their system is was never going to win the league under rodgers because their players werent good enough, i`m concerned that we are bringing in players that i consider to be mid table or `swansea` players, i thought the idea was to impose their way of playing onto our squad, not their players into our squad.
just because our style of footy may become easier on the eye doesnt neccessarily mean that we will move up the table.
rodgers is a very inexperienced coach, he`s been a manager less than 4 years, in his first job with watford he had a terrible start to the season and they were in the relegation zone but eventually he managed to get them to a 13th place finish, after that he went to reading where he was sacked because results were so poor. granted he`s had a couple of good seasons with swansea but there is the possibility that he doesnt know all the answers.
this selling carroll or at least moving him out and bringing the likes of borini and dempsey in is a big call.

[peterc1992]

i dont think systems or playing philosophy`s are a substitute for quality players, the teams with the best players generally win the trophies.
when mourinho was in charge at chelsea they were successfull and played direct football, they didnt play tikki takka, they even had a great record against barcelona at that time as well, thats because they had a squad full of top players.
we seem to be going the other way, we are bringing in average signings to suit our new system, we are putting our faith in the system.
lets not forget that for all the plaudits they got last year swansea still finished below us and we seemed to be losing games every other week so god knows how many they lost and drew.
as i said a system is not a substitute for quality players, swansea, no matter how good their system is was never going to win the league under rodgers because their players werent good enough, i`m concerned that we are bringing in players that i consider to be mid table or `swansea` players, i thought the idea was to impose their way of playing onto our squad, not their players into our squad.
just because our style of footy may become easier on the eye doesnt neccessarily mean that we will move up the table.
rodgers is a very inexperienced coach, he`s been a manager less than 4 years, in his first job with watford he had a terrible start to the season and they were in the relegation zone but eventually he managed to get them to a 13th place finish, after that he went to reading where he was sacked because results were so poor. granted he`s had a couple of good seasons with swansea but there is the possibility that he doesnt know all the answers.
this selling carroll or at least moving him out and bringing the likes of borini and dempsey in is a big call.

Im all for keeping carrol but Il trust the manager.

You said that mourinho played a more direct style and it worked but he had quality players.Maybe Them good players worked because of the good style?

Brendan rodgers plays a very attractive style.You are being very unfair on him last year considering he came up fron the Championship and managed to finish mid table.Yes he did finish behind us but that was with a remarkably weaker team.If anything last year he did a brilliant job.Look at the stats.He finished second behind city last year in ball possesion stats.

He did that with a considerably weaker team that were very very good to watch and very strong at home.That is what we all want.Whoever he signs whether he would have signed them for swansea or whoever ;If you can get players such as lucas,gerrard,reina,skrtel,agger,johnson,enrique,aquilani,suarez bellamy playing that style you will see hugely different success than what you saw at swansea.

We played ok footie last year and we were disapointed with 8th.He played well above the means of the team.So if we can get back to our expected level of our current squad plus make them play better football and add a few more signings then we can defintely achieve our expectations.

I cant see how anyone wouldnt be optimistic over the manager.Of course we need stronger players and the system isny exactly everything but we need to build again.We cant just go out and sign top quality players.Simply because they dont want to come to a team out of the champions league and maybe we dont have the money for it.

If we can make a few cheaper signings,get a very good positive and succesful system in place,keep our squad fit then we can surely get back into the top four and then we can move on from there

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Andy Carroll determined to prove himself at Liverpool FC

ANDY CARROLL wants to stay and prove himself at Liverpool – as Brendan Rodgers expressed confidence both Martin Skrtel and Daniel Agger will sign new contracts at Anfield.

Rodgers threw down the gauntlet earlier this week to Carroll to show he can fit in with the style of play the new Liverpool manager is looking to introduce.

With AC Milan having already expressed an interest in the £35million club record signing, it prompted speculation Carroll may be sold during the transfer window.

But the 23-year-old, who hit a rich vein of form towards the end of last season, is intent on demonstrating he can make the grade under Rodgers and will not press for a transfer.

Carroll is almost certain to face increased competition for a starting role in attack next season with Liverpool closing in on the capture of Roma striker Fabio Borini.


The Italian side yesterday confirmed the Anfield outfit have offered a deal for the 21-year-old, who worked under Rodgers at both the Chelsea academy and during a loan spell at Swansea City last year.

“There is a real interest shown by Liverpool for Borini,” said Roma sporting director Walter Sabatini. “We are evaluating the situation with (Roma general manager) Franco (Baldini).”

Roma only bought Borini outright last month after paying Serie A side Parma £3.95m for the remaining 50% of the player’s rights.

However, it is thought this was in preparation for making the sale of the player less problematic, with Liverpool believed to have tabled a bid in the region of £8m.

Borini, who was a member of Italy’s Euro 2012 squad, scored nine goals in 24 Serie A appearances for Roma last season.

Rodgers is keen to retain the core of his current squad, which includes first-choice centre-back pairing Agger and Skrtel.

While Agger has already intimated he would welcome a new deal, Skrtel has yet to open negotiations with Manchester City monitoring developments.

But Rodgers is confident the Slovakia international will stay put following initial talks between the pair.

“I met Martin for the first time on Saturday,” said the Northern Irishman. “He is a good guy. I am looking forward to working with him, likewise Daniel.
“I had a good feeling after I spoke to him. He is very committed to the cause. He has made it very clear that he wants to be here, fighting and working to make the club better.

“These are issues that we will look to find solutions to in the coming months.”


Liverpool have already sounded their intent to extend Luis Suarez’s contract despite the Uruguayan having only arrived at the club 18 months ago.

And Rodgers added: “We hope we are closer with his contract. There has been good dialogue. I would hope going forward that we can close that out.

“I have had a good conversation with Luis over the phone. From the outset, he has seemed a really good guy. He loves the city and the passion.

“We have exchanged lots of texts. He sent me a text on the first morning, wishing me good luck. He has really bought in to what we are trying to do.

“He was really excited about how we played at Swansea last year. He is really keen and looking forward to playing in a similar sort of model.”



http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/07/11/andy-carroll-determined-to-prove-himself-at-liverpool-fc


Go on the Big Man, dig your fucking heels in .

[The Raven]

Something stinks. I can only guess at the following as a reason for whats happening.

1. Andy has made it known he has not settled and wants out.
2. Brandon has been told Andy is lazy and wont put the effort in (so makes dam sure he knows he will sell him if he has to)
3. Brandon wont even try to fit andy into a team (after offering cole and aqua a chance i find this shocking if true)

I really just dont get trying to get rid of him without even seeing him in training.

[Basil]

Going back a couple of posts, I think you need good players and a good system, coaching is now so technical and teams are so organised that you can't just sign 4 or 5 players and hope it will click playing 4-4-2.

Brendan has had almost 20 years experience as a coach at various levels, not so much experience as a manager but he knows how he wants to play and knows the type of players he needs so we have to trust him and see how it goes.

Good point that if Brendan can sign a few players to fit his system, including some he's worked with before and get the quality players we already have playing the style he wants,  we should be on a different level to his old Swansea team.

If we can do this (and it's a big if), the players who can adapt to the new system will look far better players and it should be easier to sign players because it's attractive to watch and be part of.

The front 3 of a 4-3-3 or even a 3-4-3 have to be pretty mobile and probably interchangeable and I don't know if big Andy is mobile enough to fit the system. He's a lot fitter and sharper now and I'd like to think that he'd be a good option to have but if Brendan thinks otherwise, he's the man that has to make the decisions and take the praise or the blame.

[maypaxvobiscum]

I reckon some of you would not have been too concerned if Andy Carroll was going on loan, or to another club for good, if he didn't cost 35million. There's no difference between him and Dempsey if we're talking about quality. The only difference is their age, and that Dempsey has scored more goals. Football is a result orientated sport isn't it? If Carroll has to go, so be it, as long as it's not on loan.

[Reg]

Maxy, 35 million quid and out on loan? Thats way too much capital tied up in a proven failure. Sell, cut your loses, recover what you can and reinvest. We need the cash to bring in players the manager actually wants.

Carroll, you had your chance, you had unwavring support from Kenny and you FAILED. Bye bye.

[Benny The Noon]

Unwavering support ?! Do mean by constantly putting him on the bench and then never giving him a consistent run in the team. Kenny didn't help the Carroll situation by constantly changing the line up.

[Reg]

Put the fecker on eBay with no reserve.   


Buy one, get a free Aquaboy.

[The Raven]

Maxy, 35 million quid and out on loan? Thats way too much capital tied up in a proven failure. Sell, cut your loses, recover what you can and reinvest. We need the cash to bring in players the manager actually wants.

Carroll, you had your chance, you had unwavring support from Kenny and you FAILED. Bye bye.

WHY THE f*ck DOES HE NOT WANT HIM!!!!!!

He is giving Aqua a chance and cole for god sake! Aqua has been away from the club 2 years hates being in the uk and is always trying to find a way out. Cole is an over the hill waste of money whose legs are gone. Yet he comes out and says "they will get a chance like everyone else"

Well Andy is being bombed out before he even has a face to face with him or sees i him training. Much more to this than the whole

"Carroll wont fit the system" talk

[Kenny Kan]

fecking hell, polar opposite posts from the more impatient bunch like Reg and his impatient fickle crew (maypax I support Citeh now because I'm from Singapore) casting Carroll as a "failure" after 1 full fecking season. Then on the other hand you have yckdkwefbfbwhewkjn proclaiming the world will end (figuratively speaking) if Carroll's moved on.

Personally, I actually feel sorry for Andy Carroll, I really do. I think the guy deserves a break here at LFC but if Rodger's doesn't see him in his plans, there isn't much else you can do.

On a side note - I don't think Dempsey who has been touted about joining us is a bad move as many on here suggest, I quite rate him and think he'd offer us something in the final third. Borini, 'aven't a farking clue, but as I've said, this forum is the only one I've read about him, where slitting my wrists would be a more jovial pleasure.