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[Basil]

D_C: "Kenny Dalglish paid thirty-five million for andy carroll." - did he or did the club ? Do you know it was definitely Kenny that signed him ?

Whoever was responsible for his signing, we got rid of a disruptive and past his best Fernando Torres who was on £100k+ per week and got a young English striker who had already broken into the full England team plus £15 million to spend on other players.

It didn't seem a bad deal at the time and if we ever see him as part of good Liverpool team playing well, with other attacking options it might turn out to be an ok bit of business.

Just look at the attacking options the other teams have, manure as an example - rooney, hernandez, berbatov, owen, wellbeck plus young, valencia, nani, giggs, park, this is where we need to strengthen to give us different options and Carroll could become an important part of that squad if FSG back us in the transfer market.

[banana(real one)]

D_C: "Kenny Dalglish paid thirty-five million for andy carroll." - did he or did the club ? Do you know it was definitely Kenny that signed him ?

Whoever was responsible for his signing, we got rid of a disruptive and past his best Fernando Torres who was on £100k+ per week and got a young English striker who had already broken into the full England team plus £15 million to spend on other players.

It didn't seem a bad deal at the time and if we ever see him as part of good Liverpool team playing well, with other attacking options it might turn out to be an ok bit of business.

Just look at the attacking options the other teams have, manure as an example - rooney, hernandez, berbatov, owen, wellbeck plus young, valencia, nani, giggs, park, this is where we need to strengthen to give us different options and Carroll could become an important part of that squad if FSG back us in the transfer market.

If FSG back us in the market? What planet do you come from. FSG have given Kenny more money than any other LFC manager in the history, yet the results are worse than any other manager during the last 5-6decades. More money will not solve the real problem.

[Thommo's perm]

Sean Dundee - cost f'k all
Erik Meijer - cost f'k all
Paul Stewart - sh't midfielder
Nigel Clough - second striker/midfield

As for Fernando Morientes... long past his best was still on a different stratosphere to the geordie yard-dog. Cost a sixth and had a better goal return.


andy carroll will go down as the worst transfer deal in british history, and almost certainly the worst transfer deal in world football history.

The 8th most expensive player ever.... 35,000,000... 35 million... thirty-five million... say that figure out loud, take it in.

Kenny Dalglish paid thirty-five million for andy carroll. No matter how many times its repeated it will never sink in. Its the most staggering statistic anyone will ever come across off the field of play.

Seriously, what is your point?
Everybody knows how much he cost. Why do you keep repeating it? What is your purpose?
You dont like him. We get it. What are you saying that you havent already said thousands of times?
I would really love to know

[Basil]

I come from planet Earth, but you, like some other people on here have started to believe the headlines you read in the press. Kenny hasn't spent more than any LFC manager in history, Rafa spent over twice as much in his time as manager and spent more in one season.

FSG bought us for a good price, sold the players we wanted to get rid of and slashed the wage bill at the same time which allowed us to but 6 or 7 players in the first two transfer windows. Their outlay on new players was £30 odd million but they are also saving on wages and we didn't even but anybody in the last window when we all knew we needed some additions.   

This might all be good financial sense which will put us on a firm base from which to make progress as a club but H&G also spent big in their first season and financially strangled us in the following seasons.

So please don't keep saying how much we have spent, we don't need to spend like chelski or city but we need stability in the club and we need regular financial backing like manure, spurs and arsenal if we are to make progress as a club and get back in the CL and compete for the title.

We've got new owners, a DOF, manager, coaches and a squad of players who are all doing their best, we've have had some mixed results but we've had some good results as well. The club needs some quality additions to the squad and another season to get things together and make real progress.

Us supporters need to stick together and show support for the club when the going gets tough.

[banana(real one)]

I come from planet Earth, but you, like some other people on here have started to believe the headlines you read in the press. Kenny hasn't spent more than any LFC manager in history, Rafa spent over twice as much in his time as manager and spent more in one season.

FSG bought us for a good price, sold the players we wanted to get rid of and slashed the wage bill at the same time which allowed us to but 6 or 7 players in the first two transfer windows. Their outlay on new players was £30 odd million but they are also saving on wages and we didn't even but anybody in the last window when we all knew we needed some additions.   

This might all be good financial sense which will put us on a firm base from which to make progress as a club but H&G also spent big in their first season and financially strangled us in the following seasons.

So please don't keep saying how much we have spent, we don't need to spend like chelski or city but we need stability in the club and we need regular financial backing like manure, spurs and arsenal if we are to make progress as a club and get back in the CL and compete for the title.

We've got new owners, a DOF, manager, coaches and a squad of players who are all doing their best, we've have had some mixed results but we've had some good results as well. The club needs some quality additions to the squad and another season to get things together and make real progress.

Us supporters need to stick together and show support for the club when the going gets tough.

That is a selective view, since you somehow have deducted transfer income from cashing in on Benitez winnings. This is squed and incorrect. Any way you look at it spending is record high. Don't come here with your falsification, it won't work.

Started to believe in the press? *****. Seeing is believing. I don't need no ***** reporter or so called expert to pass judgement on thin poo team that Kenny has built. Will I need themto tell me we don\t create or score? To tell me that we are relegation material? To tell me that we are dominated in long stretches of time at home in every match against any opponent. Again, won't work on me pal. Simply won't.

[Basil]

I haven't given a selective view, you said "Kenny spent more than any LFC manager in history", this is simply not true. If look at the overall spend, per season, net or gross, Rafa spent more.

I don't know what you mean by "somehow have deducted transfer income from cashing in on Benitez winnings" ? "Spending is at a record high", there you go again, simply not true.

I didn't make any claims on how the team is playing just on how much has been spent but there has been some good football at times and we've had some good wins. I'm not trying to say everything is ok, far from it, what I am saying is that we haven't spent as much as the press keep saying and we need to spend more money on a couple of quality players and I think we will turn things around.

[Kukilon]

I haven't given a selective view, you said "Kenny spent more than any LFC manager in history", this is simply not true. If look at the overall spend, per season, net or gross, Rafa spent more.

I don't know what you mean by "somehow have deducted transfer income from cashing in on Benitez winnings" ? "Spending is at a record high", there you go again, simply not true.

I didn't make any claims on how the team is playing just on how much has been spent but there has been some good football at times and we've had some good wins. I'm not trying to say everything is ok, far from it, what I am saying is that we haven't spent as much as the press keep saying and we need to spend more money on a couple of quality players and I think we will turn things around.

How do you want it. All of the Rafa critics are always saying that net spend is not interesting. Now when you own god damn saviour spends big by the help of Rafas shrewd transfers suddenly netspend is the only thing to got after.

Netspend is the most important when looking at how good ones transfer policy is long term and I agree with that but you can hardly use it in an argument now when it was just exactly that reasoning that was not ok when Rafa was here.

Not sure how you are counting the transfers but to me even net spends seems higher than under Rafas tenure.

[Basil]

I'm not a Rafa critic, I didn't want Rafa to leave even when H&G caused most of the problems for him. I always hoped Rafa would stay for years and knock ferguson off his perch, I believe he just needed the right backing. I didn't want Kenny to get the job because I was afraid for his reputation if things didn't go right but now he's here I want to support him.

I also believe net spend is the most important factor when looking at somones transfer policy and Rafa spent more overall and in one season net and gross. Rafa made some great signings and a lot of players came to us because Rafa was the coach, he made some poor signings because the money was tight at times and he needed to take a gamble on some of them.

The reason ferguson has done so well over the years is because he's had the time and the financial backing to get things right, he's made bad signings over the years but it doesn't get mentioned because he's had the success to go with it.

That's why I'm saying whoever is in charge, we give them the time, financial backing and support to get things right.

[Kukilon]

I'm not a Rafa critic, I didn't want Rafa to leave even when H&G caused most of the problems for him. I always hoped Rafa would stay for years and knock ferguson off his perch, I believe he just needed the right backing. I didn't want Kenny to get the job because I was afraid for his reputation if things didn't go right but now he's here I want to support him.

I also believe net spend is the most important factor when looking at somones transfer policy and Rafa spent more overall and in one season net and gross. Rafa made some great signings and a lot of players came to us because Rafa was the coach, he made some poor signings because the money was tight at times and he needed to take a gamble on some of them.

The reason ferguson has done so well over the years is because he's had the time and the financial backing to get things right, he's made bad signings over the years but it doesn't get mentioned because he's had the success to go with it.

That's why I'm saying whoever is in charge, we give them the time, financial backing and support to get things right.

Ok sorry for that missunderstanding then.

What's your numbers and when did Rafa spent that much both net and gross between two transfer windows? Overal is not weird since he was here for a much longer time.

[Kenny Kan]

Kenny Dalglish has described Liverpool's current form as the worst run he can remember as a manager, player and supporter.

But the Reds boss would do well to recall a dreadful six-game losing run he oversaw while in charge of Blackburn exactly 20 years ago.

The similarities are striking: Form that crumbled in March, big money signings failing to perform, and back page stories questioning whether 'King Kenny' could still cut it as a manager.

If Dalglish was to reflect on that run amid growing pressure at Liverpool he may find some reassurance at how quickly things can change.

The run ended with a draw, Liverpool's last result. Three years later, his team won the Premier League.

Now Dalglish's Liverpool have a chance to end their bad run at Ewood Park against Blackburn on Tuesday.

Blackburn record goalscorer Simon Garner, who was part of that 1991-92 squad, describes how Dalglish coped during such a bad run of form and what he did to turn it around.

"He left all the coaching to Ray Harford [his assistant manager] who was a very, very good coach. Kenny would come in with a smile on his face and have a laugh and a joke.

"Every Friday we would have five-a-sides and Kenny would play. We wouldn't stop playing until Kenny had won a game. Kenny is happiest when he is around the training ground with a bunch of footballers.

"We didn't talk about the run in training. We approach every game the same way, training was the same. We carried on as normal.

"Generally, we used to train for the opposition. I remember one game against Charlton and Kenny said to Ray Harford 'we will play a long ball game just for one game as Charlton won't expect it'. We trained to that plan all week and won.

"However we never used to know the team until 2pm on matchday. Kenny wasn't afraid to change a team. Time and again he would come up with a selection you wouldn't have expected."

"Some players need an arm around their shoulder, some need a telling off and Kenny understood that.

"When you were behind closed doors he could lose his temper. The only time this would happen was after a match when you'd had a bad game. But he wasn't one for throwing tea cups. Most of the time he would encourage you and this didn't change during a bad run.

"He wouldn't get annoyed as long as you worked hard and were giving everything you could give. If you worked your socks off he would understand."

"Kenny would always defend the players to the press and public, like he does with Liverpool now. We appreciated that.

"You don't want to read your manager in the papers saying you were having a bad time. Kenny never let that happen.

"He tried not to let the players feel the pressure and it helped. We were expected to get promoted because of all the money Jack Walker had spent.

"At the back of your mind you were thinking about it, but it wasn't talked about during the run so you didn't dwell on it."

"Back then you could sign players until March. He is missing a goalscorer at Liverpool. At Blackburn he was able to go out and buy players to try and get the goals mid season.

"He was happy to sign a player to do a job and get us up a division knowing he would replace them in the summer. You can't make those signings now with the transfer window.

"If he is still in charge in the summer there will be a lot of changes."

"We had a great team spirit. I don't think you get that so much nowadays in the Premier League. The game is so different. There are so many foreign players.

BLACKBURN 1991-1992

    Dalglish appointed October 1991 by Jack Walker.
    Blackburn hit first place in December after eights wins in 11 games.
    Top for three months until six defeats puts them seventh.
    Two wins in last four matches sees them finish sixth.
    Win over Leicester in play-off final secures promotion.

"Back then all the players stuck together and got on well, socialised together. I don't think that happens in the modern game.

"In that run it wasn't happening for us but we all thought deep down that we could turn it around.

"Kenny lives for football and I think he will be playing it similar to how he did it at Blackburn in that he will have the belief they are good enough.

"He will be hurting. Liverpool is in his heart. He looks older and tense this season. He looks like he is under pressure but he will try not let that get to the players.

"When you look at their squad they have enough to stop the run and he still has the FA Cup to go for."

[7_Kewell]

the game's changed a lot since 1991...

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

It would seem the fans decidedly more 

[7_Kewell]

It would seem the fans decidedly more 

Why, did fans back in the early 1990s confuse nostalgia with success too?

[Kenny Kan]

Man-management hasn't though.

I think a lot of 'supporters' undermine Kenny, the soundbites he makes about his players may not be as candid as they 'think' they should be, "calling a spade a spade" but isn't that what the likes of Mouriniho get applauded for? Taking the focus off the players and placing himself under the spotlight instead.

In his heart of hearts I believe Kenny knows some of his signings and team members have let him down but will he lambast them publicly or will he address this in another way. I'd say the latter, I don't ever remember Kenny singling players out due to their poor form, it's not his way, if he's allowed to, he'll buy in the summer and add to this crop with more quality. I believe Kenny knows what he's doing and have faith in him.

[7_Kewell]

Man-management hasn't though.

I think a lot of 'supporters' undermine Kenny, the soundbites he makes about his players may not be as candid as they 'think' they should be, "calling a spade a spade" but isn't that what the likes of Mouriniho get applauded for? Taking the focus off the players and placing himself under the spotlight instead.

In his heart of hearts I believe Kenny knows some of his signings and team members have let him down but will he lambast them publicly or will he address this in another way. I'd say the latter, I don't ever remember Kenny singling players out due to their poor form, it's not his way, if he's allowed to, he'll buy in the summer and add to this crop with more quality. I believe Kenny knows what he's doing and have faith in him.

i don't have a problem with kenny defending his players, or taking away the spotlight...but I've shaken my head in disbelief at some of the things he's said recently, like his claim last week that this shower of sh!te is good enough to challenge for the LEAGUE TITLE next season...